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« Reply #810 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 05:30am »

Tomi,

What part of "They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free" do you not understand?

When Isaac said "They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free" he put all the documents in the public domain!

Adding the part that says "PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL" is NOT a legal statement, it does not change laws, he does not make the laws.

By law, a company like Alienware/Dell doesn't have to follow those instructions, especially after he said "giving away for free".

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« Reply #811 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 07:54am »

I think IA was a facade.

I think Lev’s site and the IA site “going down” is not a coincidence.

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« Reply #812 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 08:12am »

I think Albert’s arguments demonstrate Albert has either not done any original research (and is just repeating what Albert has “heard”) or is apart of “that group.”

This silly debate over inter dimensional, hyper dimensional or the 5th Dimensions is useless dribble in the face of vetting out the witnesses and their stories.

“Chad” claimed he lived where he photographed the Drone… but no “Chad” was ever found in the area where his Drone was photographed. In fact, there is a busy major highway (and a restaurant) there where the Drone would have been visible to (likely) hundreds of people… but there are no witnesses to the Drone at that location.

“Raj” claimed he lived where he photographed the Drone… but no “Raj” was ever found in the area where his Drone was photographed. In fact, there is a busy major highway close by, where the Drone would have been visible to (likely many) hundreds of people… but there are no witnesses to the Drone at that location either.

The craft are CGI and added to the photos.

Neither location was where the “witnesses” claimed them to be. Seeing a pattern yet? And people are arguing about "inter dimensional" craft? Poppycock.

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« Reply #813 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 1:29pm »

Not Just Albert..
but take a breather Marvin I just love the noble motives in the last recent Hoax..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=877301

"This will be the most significant UFO-related news event to take place since the Roswell Crash of 1947, and the result will be a dramatic increase in local and national awareness about The Heene Family, our Reality Series, as well as the UFO Phenomenon in general," according to a copy of the show's proposal provided to the site by Thomas.
Alderden said documents show that a media outlet has agreed to pay money to the Heenes with regard to the balloon incident. Alderden didn't name the media outlet but said it was a show that blurs "the line between entertainment and news".

It wasn't clear whether the deal was signed before or after the alleged hoax, or whether the media outlet was a possible conspirator.

"Let's call it (my statement) short of speculation that a media outlet was in on the hoax, but let's not discount the possibility," he said.

The parents weren't under arrest, the sheriff said. He said he expected to recommend charges of conspiracy, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, making a false report to authorities and attempting to influence a public servant. Federal charges were also possible.

The most serious charges are felonies and carry a maximum sentence of six years in prison and a $US500,000 ($A546,150) fine. Alderden said they would be seeking restitution for the costs, though he didn't have an estimate. end of quote


I think the cost of hoaxing is going up frightfully....don't you?
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« Reply #814 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 1:39pm »

on Oct 19th, 2009, 1:29pm, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
The parents weren't under arrest, the sheriff said. He said he expected to recommend charges of conspiracy, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, making a false report to authorities and attempting to influence a public servant. Federal charges were also possible.

The most serious charges are felonies and carry a maximum sentence of six years in prison and a $US500,000 ($A546,150) fine. Alderden said they would be seeking restitution for the costs, though he didn't have an estimate.


I think the cost of hoaxing is going up..don't you?




Add the cost for Fire and Rescue, Ambulance service (in the pursuit of the balloon), Law Enforcement (to include one helicopter to follow the balloon)… about $100,000 USD.

This does not include shutting down airspace near the Denver Airport (the FAA is looking into any cost and possible charges there)… which delayed and cancelled a number of flights.

Maybe all of this explains why the Drone hoax will go "unclaimed." grin

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« Reply #815 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 1:52pm »

I do recall the police being badgered to look.but not by public demand...though no missing persons report for any of the principals or their family was ever filed..I wonder how the police was persuaded to even look.absent that....and on who's insistance given these peculiar circumstances..
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« Reply #816 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 2:19pm »

Years ago, I enjoyed thinking about how to hoax a flying saucer. I was imagining a helium balloon with a balsa wood exterior made to look as realistic as possible. Never did it because even then, I had a life! laugh
Does anyone remember the skeptics who tried to make a point by building a small saucer shaped model with lots of lights on it next to a busy motorway on top of an embankment? The reports that came in ranged from accurate to laughable. Some people said it moved and was 100 feet in diameter. I wonder whether that hoax if carried out now, even in the spirit of science, would have cost the hoaxers fines etc.
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« Reply #817 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 2:48pm »

Yes, the skeptic school teacher case in NJ. from last year alone, .Believe prosecution was called for there also..Amazing what emails and or a paper trail can do..they do come back to haunt one for sure..

wait I did find something..a slap on the wrist..250 dollars a piece and community service..these things do vary by jurisdiction..

http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2009/04/the_two_morris_county_men.html






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« Reply #818 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 4:05pm »

you guys are complaining about humoring Albert and his theories of other dimensions so you can talk about balloon boy? rolleyes
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« Reply #819 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 4:26pm »

Baloon boy is such a farce. It made me suspicious enough to speculate on Bilderburger motivation for ordering such media coverage and harsh treatment of the the perpetrators.
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« Reply #820 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 4:31pm »

on Oct 19th, 2009, 05:30am, neveleeleven wrote:
"They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free"
When Isaac said "PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL"


This post made me think of something, however much I think never is not in a position (nor are any of us) to know what the outcome would be on "public domain" should the creators make a case out of it.. especially without knowing any of the background and the relatively short span of 2.5 years.. puts it right about the time for some defense if its going to come... but aside from all that..

This post made me wonder about comparing what Isaac said to GNU standards regarding liscensing etc with software. I don't know anything about that, but I'm betting someone out there would.

What I'm wondering is (bearing in mind "Isaac" is a software engineer...etc..).. would he have applied some of the foundations of liscensing in the GNU way in an underhand way with the release of the Isaac material?

For instance , if you write a program and release it to the world to use under a kind of "public liscense"... I'm sure if someone went in and took a mileage of your code and put it into another program and released that program commercially.... you would have some kind of claim, probably copyright amonst others against him...

So... was this also possibly employed in the same way as a GNU liscense or was it attempted..?

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« Reply #821 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 4:53pm »

on Oct 19th, 2009, 4:31pm, tomi01uk wrote:
This post made me wonder about comparing what Isaac said to GNU standards regarding liscensing etc with software. I don't know anything about that, but I'm betting someone out there would.

What I'm wondering is (bearing in mind "Isaac" is a software engineer...etc..).. would he have applied some of the foundations of liscensing in the GNU way in an underhand way with the release of the Isaac material?

For instance , if you write a program and release it to the world to use under a kind of "public liscense"... I'm sure if someone went in and took a mileage of your code and put it into another program and released that program commercially.... you would have some kind of claim, probably copyright amonst others against him...

So... was this also possibly employed in the same way as a GNU liscense or was it attempted..?


Public license” or “Shareware” falls under a different subset of regulations than “Public Domain” material does, well, from what I can gather….. grin

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« Reply #822 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 4:55pm »

The copyright BS is about worn out, ain't it? kiss
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« Reply #823 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 5:05pm »

on Oct 17th, 2009, 9:10pm, blackwater wrote:
Good point Klatu, also why would a craft that needs to be read from below (or above) have an invisibility device?

You can't read it if it's invisible, so it defeats the purpose of the writing.

Hi Blackwater,

Obviously wink because as Isaac stated they (creators of the Drones) knew we had the ‘declacking [sic] device’ as it was allegedly one of these same extraterrestrial ‘races’ who gave us the device, (although as to why then Isaac was never really sure….. laugh)

So as it seems they were well aware of the implications i.e. that the Drones (when momentarily visible) could be seen and subsequently photographed, hence the cunning placement of the bastardized sci-fi/katakana font. A placement which could be (and has been) reasonably(?) argued were located in such a position so that people such as myself could hone in on and focus on this aspect purely so that I could remain safely entrenched in my cosy (and admittedly somewhat agnostic wink) world-view/personal opinion that Isaac is ‘full of it’. grin

on Oct 19th, 2009, 4:05pm, blackwater wrote:
you guys are complaining about humoring Albert and his theories of other dimensions so you can talk about balloon boy? rolleyes

But I do agree about balloon-boy, or rather the complete lack of significance it has to the Drones, well other than the words “UFO” & “hoax” appeared in nearly all media headlines (after Falcon was discovered/found). But I guess it’s a rock and a hard place as it could be equally argued that this event has markedly more significance than Albert’s trans-dimensional shifts, not least as the latter would mean completely dismissing Isaac’s alleged first hand account of his experiences as being from someone who wasn’t intelligent enough to grasp the implications and ultimately the significance of what he was being told (or more simply that he didn’t realise when he was being lied to).

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« Reply #824 on: Oct 19th, 2009, 5:06pm »

I hear ya Jeddyhi, but if we stop talking about copyrights, multiple dimensions and Falcon then we'll have nothing to talk about! tongue

Well if anyone is bored you can help me do a little cleanup and try to get this entry for PACL removed from thefreedictionary.com

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Palo+Alto+CARET+Laboratory

http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst3845_Suggestion-to-remove-definition.aspx
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