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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #1095 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 05:21am »

The IA gang and Lev, they are only a subset of the drone saga. But I can't help thinking about how the Alabama drone was seen not only by its illustrious hoaxer Lev, but also by numerous others..

What does this tell us about either human nature or friends (and NDA agreements).. I'm not sure.. but I keep wondering ..
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« Reply #1096 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 07:07am »

It's not clear that the very few witnesses actually identified the Ala drone being what they saw. It's background is covered quite well on DRT.

I'd go with coincidence on that plus maybe a dash of myth building by a certain personality. Maybe this whole affair is as simple as being a display of human nature. undecided
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« Reply #1097 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 07:18am »

on Jul 8th, 2011, 04:18am, tomi01uk wrote:
Time will tell what is behind all this, I sure hope...



Hey Tomi,
Usually we do not see eye to eye… but in this case, I think we might be in some agreement.
Since the hoaxed Drone photo showed a cutting edge detailed craft portrayed with incorrect lighting angles, then one of my theories has been the hoax did so on purpose in order to not only claim the photo were done by them but then they could point out these “errors” to demonstrate they were indeed the creators of the photos. The level of sophistication for creating the “Drones” does not “add up” to the incorrect lighting of the “Drones” themselves. So either the CGI artist was super lazy or it was done on purpose. Since the artist was not lazy in creating the Drones, then….

Ted shows all of the same patterns of previous Drone “witnesses.”

Lev shows all of the same patterns of a talented and bored hoaxer (and is one of the few individuals that keep the Drone hoax alive). That alone should give any rational person something to ponder.

Numbers does not have clean hands (It's a livin' thing, it's a terrible thing to lose).

We shall see.

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« Reply #1098 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 08:18am »

Hi Marvin,
The same way I would vouch for Salad not being involved in this, having known him, and I vouch for him to those in the DRT who suspected him of being intel etc..

I can more than 100% for sure vouch for numbers clean hands. He was there at the beginning like all of us in the early group and I can assure everyone he is just like you and me. Interested. He may have strongly held opinions but that does not make him a suspect at all.

And just to add, numbers hasn't communicated to me since I was in the core group. There is only the truth here I'm trying to provide. He probably doesn't like me, nothing I can do about that, but I'm vouching for him to keep clarity in this matter where it can be found.
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« Reply #1099 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 11:49am »

on Jul 8th, 2011, 08:18am, tomi01uk wrote:
Hi Marvin,
The same way I would vouch for Salad not being involved in this, having known him, and I vouch for him to those in the DRT who suspected him of being intel etc..

I can more than 100% for sure vouch for numbers clean hands. He was there at the beginning like all of us in the early group and I can assure everyone he is just like you and me. Interested. He may have strongly held opinions but that does not make him a suspect at all.

And just to add, numbers hasn't communicated to me since I was in the core group. There is only the truth here I'm trying to provide. He probably doesn't like me, nothing I can do about that, but I'm vouching for him to keep clarity in this matter where it can be found.


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« Reply #1100 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 1:06pm »

I try not to fall into the conspiracy trap, but I must say that Lev seemed to be trying to get banned. I was not present at his departure because I had a paying gig and missed out on whatever happened, which is probably just as well for everyone. Usually I chalk his odd behavior up to his being, well, nuts. Who knows?

On the subject of odd behavior, if Numbers has clean hands, he sure did some weird things that need explaining somehow. Not just a few of them, either.
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« Reply #1101 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 1:28pm »

OK ! I just heard back from the person I mentioned who might be able to help us find out more about Ethos Oltissis. smiley

Here is what he says: The nearest I can find is Ethos Ultissimus, which he says he can best describe in latin means "the affinity for the remotest character"..

I will ask him for a little more research or insight if anyone has any questions to give him, but that's a start.
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« Reply #1102 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 1:51pm »

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/altissimus

Then I found this looking up the other latin word..
Means "most high"..

Just spoke to him again he said he is going to look up this latin in ancient greek letters and work form there.
He said to me this is quite something, when one looks at the context.. hmmmmm
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« Reply #1103 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 2:14pm »

Why do I get the feeling there is a Big Picture about to be recommended to us? rolleyes

Really, this is getting pretty silly. He said, with no apparent irony, inside a four year old discussion of a spectacularly failed UFO hoax...
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« Reply #1104 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 2:33pm »

No.. no big picture .. just more clues to add to the pile.

I mean it is really kinda remarkable .. these latin root words.. and all I can say to myself is hmmmm
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« Reply #1105 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 6:09pm »

on Jul 8th, 2011, 04:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's not that I dont believe you. I know your record keeping as well as your memory is formidable.

But (again, I'm not up to debating) just to clarify, the top menu portion where the "About IA" "Contact" button etc, is not shown in your example of the first page.

I have no doubt that you are showing the first page, but the menu portion at the top has always been part of that site and it's apparently not part of what your screen shot provides.

Hi Tomi, grin

Forgive my tardiness but I’ve had a long day, you seem to be very certain that there was always a top section and for all your steamrollering I’m still actually saying the exact opposite of what you are.

Can you produce any scrap of evidence at all that supports what you are saying?

Just one screen-capture or archived page as I’m more than willing to accept I'm wrong but unfortunately I require more than your say-so because all of the data I have directly contradicts your claim that a navigation bar has always been above the first *.swf* file I showed you in an earlier post.

As you said it’s not a debate but as you keep dismissing my assertions then at least allow me to explain.

The “screen-shot” you reference may be a screen-shot but it's a screen-shot of the main IA web-page in its entirety & is actually a live and functioning web-page that I archived and then loaded & captured and so as such it is totally independent and can in no way, shape or form be updated or changed via an internet connection (or any other means).

Subsequently the top bar isn’t missing as all of the archived IA material I have apparently shows that it simply wasn’t there in 2009.

I’m going to try and show you why I think this is the case one last time…..

Here is a screen-capture of the code on the web-page in 2009 (I know the *.swf* file has 2010 in the title but that was a pre-emptive update by Elijah Tome):

--- 2009 Main Page ---
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That is the very FIRST *.swf* file embedded and so naturally appears at the top of the 2009 web-page, yes?

--- 2011 Main Page ---
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That is the very FIRST *.swf* file embedded and so naturally appears at the top of the 2011 web-page, yes?

Right, now you can see that in 2009 the first Flash animation (.swf) that was played/displayed on the main page was *2010-site.swf*.

Also, you can now see that in 2011 (current page) the first Flash animation (.swf) that is played/displayed on the main page is *9-9-9-interface.swf*.

Agreed?

The reason I earlier posted the images of the web-pages in the manner I did was so that you could see the page title and the physical URL (top & bottom left of images).

Hopefully you noticed that the 2009 URL was simply the domain name, i.e.:

http://www.internalastronaut.com/

However if you follow that link now (2011) it takes you to a web-page containing images (NO flash/.swf) and offers you (via a standard hyperlink) the choice of the full site or the I-Phone site. If you continue to the full site you will see that the URL changes into:

http://www.internalastronaut.com/default-888.htm

Now, as for the WayBack machine….. wink

The only way that a web-page can be archived is if is linked to via standard HTML, this is because obviously the WayBack Machine’s spiders can’t index Flash animations to harvest links and if the *.swf* file is replaced with a newer version then the code on the page remains the same and so isn’t recognized as being updated and thus isn’t (re)crawled.

This is why in nearly a decade there are only 15 entries for IA:

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The indexing process for the WayBack machine is around the six month mark and as the new (default) web-page at IA contains images & standard hyperlink/s only then this will be indexed and will organically lead to the new main-page at the ‘full’ site:

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However as you can see it hasn’t been processed yet this seems to suggest that the new pages are less than six-months old.

Anyhoo, back to the *.swf* files, here is a direct link to the animation that was at the top of the page in 2009 as I have shown above:

http://internalastronaut.com/2010-site.swf

And here’s a direct link to the animation that is at the top of the page now (2011) again as I have shown above:

http://internalastronaut.com/9-9-9-interface.swf

I’m not sure how much clearer I can make it. grin

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List of 2011 *.swf* files:
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Finally, the last modification date for the *.swf* file I showed above (and which displays second) was in August 2010 which is nothing unusual:

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But, if we now have a look at the modification date for the Flash animation (.swf) file that now shows then you will see the following:

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This suggests to me that Elijah et al are constantly monitoring discussions & refining the IA website to fall in lock-step with the fairly recent ‘Ted’ story and I still firmly believe that this recent attempt to hijack the Drone story is exactly the same MO as what I accused Elijah of back in the day:

on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:00pm, DrDil wrote:
From what I can see then the only Drone affiliation you have is self-imposed by copying a couple of symbols from a hoaxed/highly questionable document nearly a year after the fact, well, of course and the affiliation that you are trying to create here but it appears that if you’re destined to be as unsuccessful with this attempt as you were when you originally plagiarised the symbols.

Go figure.....


I guess if, as you say, "the menu portion at the top has always been part of that site" then where's the *.swf* file or cached page that would prove it?

(Yes, I've checked and the 2009 version of the animation is the same as the 2011 , i.e. with no menu-bar).

So as I said at the beginning I’ll happily admit I’m wrong but it’s going to take a little more than an (almost)- 2 year old memory of the web-page in question. kiss


Cheers. smiley




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« Reply #1106 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 7:10pm »

on Jul 7th, 2011, 5:25pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Here is the only example I could find from what I grabbed in 2009. And this definately came from 2009, but it doesn't use the word Oltissis. Just Ethos.

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Hi Tomi,

I forgot to ask if you could check the date you captured the above image for me. It’s nothing to do with IA but it was just out of interest…..


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« Reply #1107 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 9:22pm »

Tomi and I just married. So leave us alone.

We are happy now.
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« Reply #1108 on: Jul 8th, 2011, 10:31pm »

I would imagine the guest list was a little tricky to get settled. grin
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« Reply #1109 on: Jul 9th, 2011, 03:24am »

Here's the properties panel of that file.
I'll send it to you as well, but it is saved as bmp.

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