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« Reply #1140 on: Jul 10th, 2011, 2:08pm »

Polite....gullible....delusional. Call it what you will.....that quote speaks volumes as to what you truly believe!!!
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« Reply #1141 on: Jul 10th, 2011, 2:12pm »

on Jul 10th, 2011, 1:49pm, TheShadow wrote:
OMFingG you have got to be kidding me!!! You can not be so freaking delusional that you still believe there is absolutely ANY reality to this stupid and very obvious hoax!!

Seriously...you can not be that stupid can you??


They are talking in code. Lev's blog makes it obvious he wants someone (maybe just himself) to believe Isaac is real, the drones are real, etc. I think that is the reason he could never respond coherently to my requests to him to give us a bit of what he thinks the drones might have to offer us. He reliably responded with more insults, never any intelligent discussion of what might be real or useful. Odd, for someone who seemed adamant that dismissing the whole thing as a hoax was a mistake. I even tried to lead him into a discussion of the psychological aspects and consequences of various belief systems, but the result was always the same. The quote you include there, Shads, gives the lie to protestations that Tomi is just looking for whodunit.

For years now, I have had a very hard time with the idea that people like OTF, Numbers, Lev and Tomi can actually swallow any of the Isaac or drone stuff. One thing they all have in common is they seem to be pretty bright people, able to articulate complex thoughts. Yet they persist in pushing an obvious hoax (as you pointed out) that has even less reality than a typical X Files episode, or even Star Trek. Like the various stories in the drone saga itself, it just does not add up. And they wonder why they are accused of being in on the hoax...
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« Reply #1142 on: Jul 10th, 2011, 2:37pm »

Everyone here is pretty bright in my opinion, but thanks for the kind words if not the exasperated diatribe..

But that is why we are in this with opposing opinions or theories. That is part of allagories in the book Life of Pi.

That's why I said that if "they" weren't trying to create a living art form similiar in essence to allegory form in the Life of Pi, it sure seems to be happening anyways.

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« Reply #1143 on: Jul 10th, 2011, 2:37pm »

I agree we are all on a lifeboat, and at sea anything can happen. The difference I would say is unlike the boy in the story, was totally subject to the laws of nature, and in a situation he did not plan. Isaac, was preplanned, and not subjected to the traumas the young lad did. Not even waterboarded or Traumas, drugs, pain, that would propel the mind into overdrive to assure survival. Like the Stockholm syndrome, one can come identify with and bond with the captor, to be like the captor in effect, to survive. Patty Hearst comes to mind. Cannabilism indeed, I need not get into. A mother trapped in a crushed vehicle or debris with infant, feeding her blood to it for its survival. One act of selfishness, another selflessness.
The Bird man of Alcatraz, was a good story as well, how a man in the isolation of prison, creates a new means of surviving, bonding with the birds and going on to do real things in research in ornithology and cures.
The book at hand is sold as fiction. Isaac offered it as truth. Works of fiction or satire can contain elements of truth, or points of contact based on prexisting as Isaac did, or Hobbes Leviathan or Leviathans Feast, which by simile, metaphor bring us to the reality of a situation at hand such as politics, or the future end of evil. Religious and political works abound with it.
Perhaps if LMH had executed the performance and actors,better, but no,..
LMH one can argue, has cannabalized the story, the very core, into something else. Unlike the Book, Isaacs has no beginning, middle, or end ,requisite to some understanding other than the peoples it was intended for. Not much one can say when the actors walk off the stage. At least in the book, the characters stayed on board, we know what happened to them, the boat was reliable, and we see the boy come home. Isaac remained lost at sea, with all the witnesses lost, in a veritable flotilla of life boats with many holes in each story. Little wonder they never made it to shore, much less stand the headwinds of reason.
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Ps. I hope despite our differences, you would not push me off the boat, or worse eat me but I can understand if you did,... smiley
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« Reply #1144 on: Jul 10th, 2011, 3:07pm »

LOL.. and here I was thinking you were the Hyiena.. wink

Seriously though, the book just left such a deep impression on me I've spent the whole day just trying to take in dessertations about it written by others.

It describes so many essences about nature, like territorial boundries we all manifest and realities we share yet describe and experience differently, etc.

From the cosmological description of God, the Hindu, the Christian the Islamist the Buddist The Athiest.. All were appreciated for their truths by Pi, who saw it all as another way of loving and finding the same thing.

Pi didn't like Agnostics though, but that is how I would describe my thinking about this saga.
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« Reply #1145 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 2:08pm »

on Jul 10th, 2011, 2:12pm, Dreadnought Spy wrote:
They are talking in code. Lev's blog makes it obvious he wants someone (maybe just himself) to believe Isaac is real, the drones are real, etc. I think that is the reason he could never respond coherently to my requests to him to give us a bit of what he thinks the drones might have to offer us. He reliably responded with more insults, never any intelligent discussion of what might be real or useful. Odd, for someone who seemed adamant that dismissing the whole thing as a hoax was a mistake. I even tried to lead him into a discussion of the psychological aspects and consequences of various belief systems, but the result was always the same. The quote you include there, Shads, gives the lie to protestations that Tomi is just looking for whodunit.

For years now, I have had a very hard time with the idea that people like OTF, Numbers, Lev and Tomi can actually swallow any of the Isaac or drone stuff. One thing they all have in common is they seem to be pretty bright people, able to articulate complex thoughts. Yet they persist in pushing an obvious hoax (as you pointed out) that has even less reality than a typical X Files episode, or even Star Trek. Like the various stories in the drone saga itself, it just does not add up. And they wonder why they are accused of being in on the hoax...



All kinds of crazy people in this world, remember those "Heavens Gate" idiots. These people like UFO bulletin boards in particular. I just can’t force myself to take advantage of them, but then a voice says (from forest gump) “dumb is as dumb is” and these people like to be taken advantage of!

Send me a thousand dollars and I will tell you all about who created the drones and why.

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« Reply #1146 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 6:41pm »

I see LMH has posted another Oltissis related report and speaking of revisionist history (Carlito referring to IA Flash animations) I see she’s up to her old tricks again…..

Giving Ted the benefit of the doubt for mistakenly referring to the pine tree as an oak tree back in 2007 (referencing it himself 3 times then later agreeing with LMH when she called it an oak) have a look at the following.

LMH posted this a few days ago (June 30th 2011):

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Hmm, I thought straight away that it’s not quite how I remember it but couldn’t really be bothered to check. Anyhoo as it’s been bugging me for a couple of days (since the IA fiasco) I thought I’d quickly check it out. Now, as LMH used the very specific terms of “Excerpts” & “Originally described” then luckily this leaves no room for ambiguity & misinterpretation, so…..

Here’s an “Excerpt” from the 2007 interview which LMH also posted a few days ago (June 30th 2011):

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And here’s the “ACTUAL” interview she posted in 2007:

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Spot the difference?

In fact when LMH re-posted the interview in 2008 for her Drone media misinformation rant (oh, the irony) it was still an oak tree:

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Meh, is it any wonder that one or two of us have trust issues with her?

Ted made a mistake which he later rectified (good on him!!) whereas not only does LMH charge people to see her archives as you can see above she has absolutely no problem changing any statements or claims that are later found to be incorrect with no mention of the edit/s or original falsehoods/mistakes.

Or as Sidd used to say ‘the cleaning lady has been in’ as there’s no longer a trace to be found.

How many times as this occurred between interviewing someone and then posting it to her website or better still how many times has the questions just been changed? And just in case you think I’m exaggerating look at how the original leading question from 2007 was chopped up/modified in the 2011 “excerpt”:

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And while we’re doing so it’s worth noting the difference in the “Double Exposure” answer posted in 2011:

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And the actual “Double exposure” quote from 2007:

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Excerpts”?

Is this even the same interview?

From what I can gather then I believe Ted actually said everything attributed to him in 2007 & 2011 and believe it or not I also appreciate that LMH has probably edited it for brevity, so I guess my only point of contention is that as this is done with no mention of it then obviously suspicions are aroused. And especially so when it is factual errors and their traces which are not only erased but no mention of the errors, corrections or edits is ever even hinted at.

Investigative reporter?


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« Reply #1147 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 7:55pm »

If you are not a lawyer, DrDil, you may have missed your calling. laugh

Strieber's site works like that, too, or at least it did when I was following it. You would see some astounding claim, or even a kind of nasty comment about someone and then it would be gone without a trace. Whole "news stories" would just disappear. If I ever saw anything resembling a retraction, it was rare and I sure don't recall any. Some news site!

As for the mess at Earthfiles you point out here, I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that the "excerpts" are longer than the original quotes. I can't imagine the fuller quote existed then or she would have posted it. Thanks for digging that up. The queen of leading questions also apparently feels free to add material or change whatever she feels a need to change to make the story sound plausible (less ridiculous, more like).

Do we have any indication that Ted even exists outside the claims made by LMH? Shirley she is not the only source of statements or anything else from Ted.
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« Reply #1148 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 8:53pm »

Remarkable! Stellar Job! How they managed to replace the tree DrDil, and not one of them got splinters in the process... except maybe Linda in her eyes when she reads this..
The next time I see someone ranting about her Journalistic Ethos, I will gladly point them here. Kudos! That belongs on Dronehoax.com

Double, speaking of American Shirley, maybe this good time for a reappearance. Since they are recycling this, These tree people are very green and environmental,, Maybe they try to make a script for movie. With economy tanking, it may not be good idea . I'm only one person of course..but.. I would prefer Shirley Manson. grin
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« Reply #1149 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 10:18pm »

Thanks Klat. That sounds right. I suppose that could be considered evidence that there is in fact a real person pretending to be Ted, yanking LMH's chain. There have been some very improbable claims made by various "witnesses" who have apparently contacted LMH over the years. I sometimes got the feeling, while reading the wild tales, that someone was trying to see just how over the top they could make the story and still have it show up on Earthfiles. There is of course the possibility of an organized attempt to discredit her, but it's hard to say what the point of that would be.
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« Reply #1150 on: Jul 11th, 2011, 10:34pm »

on Jul 11th, 2011, 8:58pm, Қℓάť wrote:
Gee, I don't know...sometimes you have to go with your gut if you're the type that's honest with yourself.

Especially when the scrolling message in your mind is

"sheer, utter nonsense"


Well, yeah, but you know, there really isn't that much difference between a southern yellow pine and an oak tree. They are both trees, after all, and not hippos and giraffes. Er, well, it's not like confusing a parking meter with a farm pond. Since this presumably took place in the summer, they would both be green.
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« Reply #1151 on: Jul 12th, 2011, 04:20am »

Trees are not the only things, Ted doesn't remember too well.

Last week he explained on the experts forum:
"The Message was given as i have described . Non Verbal, Black Text on a Metallic Silver background. The message scrolled in my mind slowly with passages of the message given in sections as it scrolled."

Only to correct himself about six hours later:

"Not scrolled FADED IN AND OUT, Sorry. I just woke up and was thinking of the interview with LMH and the fact that the message faded and did not SCROLL. My mind typed the wrong thing. LOL!!!"

Indeed LMH had spoken of scrolling messages in the interview and he had corrected her, that they faded in and out. Now, a few days later, he errs himself at first. Never underestimate Linda's suggestive powers! shocked

And yes, since Ted sings in my last song he is a real person - with a funny melody and accent in his words.
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« Reply #1152 on: Jul 12th, 2011, 05:44am »

on Jul 12th, 2011, 04:20am, The Real Reader wrote:
Trees are not the only things, Ted doesn't remember too well.

Last week he explained on the experts forum:
"The Message was given as i have described . Non Verbal, Black Text on a Metallic Silver background. The message scrolled in my mind slowly with passages of the message given in sections as it scrolled."

Only to correct himself about six hours later:

"Not scrolled FADED IN AND OUT, Sorry. I just woke up and was thinking of the interview with LMH and the fact that the message faded and did not SCROLL. My mind typed the wrong thing. LOL!!!"

Indeed LMH had spoken of scrolling messages in the interview and he had corrected her, that they faded in and out. Now, a few days later, he errs himself at first. Never underestimate Linda's suggestive powers! shocked

And yes, since Ted sings in my last song he is a real person - with a funny melody and accent in his words.

Hi Sidd,

When I read the recent account there were several major errors that I’ll probably address when I get a minute but I’ll need to check them out first in case my memory is failing me. And not just inconsistencies from LMH but inconsistencies from Ted and about the main aspects of his claims.

I must admit though I like Ted!!


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« Reply #1153 on: Jul 12th, 2011, 08:53am »

on Jul 11th, 2011, 4:38pm, Қℓάť wrote:
Gort, do you take plastic? grin


I only take 1,000 dollar Obama bills about as real as an alobama drone!
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« Reply #1154 on: Jul 14th, 2011, 2:48pm »

I knew Elijah Tome, and around 6 months ago he had spoken in great detail about a Dome in Borneo that he called the Oltisses Device. He also stated that a Drone ship was also there and actually is wht he followed into the jungle to find this device. He has been missing with no further contact with me since March. I'm afraid he has died.
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