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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #1320 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 6:11pm »

My god! I just had a major reverlation or brain pop! These things did not inspire any of the drone saga BUT were inspired BY the saga. I need a rest.
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« Reply #1321 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 6:22pm »

The following is directed at nobody in particular but please indulge me for a minute (and write it off as an anniversary rant!!) as I really just wanted to say that just because the Drones were quasi-unique in appearance and the LAP was aesthetically pleasing it still in NO way means that we are dealing with a highly intelligent group of hoaxers/people and so it's time to remove the pedestal.....

Were they:

Competent in CG? (Without a doubt).

Well versed in Ufological history? (Semi-knowledgeable).

Wannabe sci-fi writer with a limited interest in the topic? (Probably).

Capable of writing a convincing narrative? (Epic fail).

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Forgetting about the 'witnesses' as their testimony was basically a joke but Isaac’s ‘purple-prose'** in particular is farcical in both delivery and content, now admittedly I couldn’t be bothered to write anything new about this so here’s something I prepared a little earlier (circa 2008):

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Isaac wrote:

•"I should be clear before I begin, as a final note: I am not interested in making myself vulnerable to the consequences of betraying the trust of my superiors and will not divulge any personal information that could determine my identity.

•However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name).

•I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure."

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"I've taken the proper steps to ensure a reasonable level of anonymity and am quite secure in the fact that the information I've so far provided is by no means unique among many of the CARET participants."


Yet by the time he had finished his pseudo-scientific babble we knew:

•What his graduate and post-graduate work involved.
•Specifically what his specialities and area of work was prior to joining the DoD.
•He worked at the DoD quite a while before being recruited by PACL.
•He was one of approximately 30 people recruited from the DoD at the same time.
•This was at the inception of PACL.
•He was employed for his skills as an electrical engineer.
•He was part of the PACL, "Linguistic team".
•He helped create the software capable of disseminating the diagrams.
•He was promoted to management within (and at most) 18 months.
•He tendered his resignation 8 months before being allowed out.
•He left around June '87 which is irrelevant as if access to employment records was possible then it can be pinpointed EXACTLY when he resigned as he left, "Somewhere in the middle of a 3-month bell curve" (which seen a quarter of 200 employees leave).

Surely when you're working with a base set of approximately 30 people, when you have complete access to ALL employee's records and you factor the above variables into the equation then it MUST be possible to narrow the identity of Isaac down to at MOST a couple of employees and very likely down to just the one who fulfils all of the above criteria?

Epic Fail.

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Onto the de-cloaking device and how it was obtained:

So how could we (humans) obtain a: "Device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking [sic] (that) comes from a non-human source" ?

•Especially IF they never crash or fail unless something more powerful causes it?

•And if we already have something more powerful than their technology which caused this failure and it came from a, "Non-human" source then how could we have obtained it except as a gift or exchange?

•If you take Isaac at face value and accept his statements and opinions he is saying that UFOs never crash by accident.

•He also says the device that causes malfunction is from a non-human source .

In my opinion then the only explanation (regarding this statement by Isaac) is that humans were given this device (which is capable of overriding alien technology and rendering it impotent) by the aliens themselves. And playing devils advocate then if this is what actually transpired then it raises the obvious question of why would a more advanced species give us the means of downing their craft and effectively rendering the craft powerless as well as possibly killing the occupants?

Also in the following paragraph Isaac references 'different races' of extraterrestrials:

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In fact, what was especially amusing about the whole affair was the way that our military management almost tried to act as if the technology we were essentially reverse engineering wasn't extra-terrestrial at all. Aside from the word "extra-terrestrial" itself, we rarely heard any other terms like "alien" or "UFO" or "outer space" or anything. Those aspects were only mentioned briefly when absolutely necessary to explain something. In many cases it was necessary to differentiate between the different races and their respective technology, and they didn't even use the word "races". They were referred to simply as different "sources".

And the following paragraph seems to hint at the fact that either communications have taken place or that the extraterrestrials have been observed performing these calculations and designing the LAP schematics:

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As each new feature was added, the complexity of the diagram exponentially grew to unmanageable proportions. For this reason we began to develop computer-based systems to manage these details and achieved some success, although again we found that a threshold was quickly reached beyond which even the supercomputers of the day were unable to keep up. Word was that the extra-terrestrials could design these diagrams as quickly and easily as a human programmer could write a Fortran program. It's humbling to think that even a network of supercomputers wasn't able to duplicate what they could do in their own heads.

All of which I believe means that as Isaac and the Drones are inextricably linked then the words of Isaac are massively relevant to establishing the Drones as a 'nuts & bolts' phenomenon. And if this is the case it also seems that if you buy into Drones then you buy into Isaac, and if you buy into Isaac then this also means buying into governmental/military sanctioned meetings with extraterrestrial biological entities, and partaking in an exchange of technology with them (or receiving this technology as some sort of gift).

Not only that but it is also a direct confirmation that there are indeed multiple races of these technologically advanced extraterrestrial races and more bizarrely this is used as an identifier to differentiate between their respective technologies.

B-standard poorly thought out sci-fi attempting to ride on the coat-tails of established Ufological folklore.

Epic fail.

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The Linguistic Analysis Primer (LAP).

Aesthetically pleasing but essentially no more than a bastardised hybrid of a couple of obscure fonts, basic geometric shapes & lines along with a bar-code that the hoaxer couldn’t even be bothered to make unique as the cycle repeats throughout the LAP.

Epic fail. (Etc. etc. etc.)

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In the grand scheme of things does it really matter whether the rings on the concrete floor were CG or a physical construct designed specifically to further the hoax? (CG wink) When you consider the source then personally I think it’s irrelevant, much the same as Isaac, the Drones and the witnesses who lied through their teeth to try and sell the package.

All irrelevant. [/rant]

Happy anniversary y’all!! grin



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(**Purple prose is a term of literary criticism used to describe passages, or sometimes entire literary works, written in prose so extravagant, ornate, or flowery as to break the flow and draw attention to itself. Purple prose is sensually evocative beyond the requirements of its context. It also refers to writing that employs certain rhetorical effects such as exaggerated sentiment or pathos in an attempt to manipulate a reader's response ~ wiki_)

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« Reply #1322 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 6:29pm »

By Golly Ketter and Klat, pipes, Pipe bender, and oil Pipe sensor(pig).The memories!!!!. ...I remember using the benders in electrical work..yes I worked with my hands too..wasn't always a ditch bish in the vernacular of the trade. Reyes would have recognized them instantly.
And yes the believers really gave us a reaming with the grease pig..
This is precious...thanx!! Thank you Isaac, wherever you are we are in your debt helping bring us out of the dark ages into this new world view.

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« Reply #1323 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 6:51pm »

hehe Doc..Little wonder c2c in their infinite wisdom gave the hot exclusive potato to the more than able Linda in less than 24 hours right after Isaac said he would only deal with c2c
he only did this I am sure to throw off the mib, and protect the disclosure witness and the greatest photos and documents in history!
We would be able to get disclosure via a series of forum links at the premier OMF site, the disclosure experts of all time that had exchange students from Serpo in situs..!
I do recall one of Victors, a man in the KNOW , from source a-z.. transmissions that was rather cryptic..saying this was a lot of BS. DRT was not amused..to say the least..
Maybe my reading between the llines, it was really politely saying.. stay the hell off our dinner plate grin
Don't worry Isaac..after we forget about serpo..and slurpo it will be clear sailing for all.. cool

I sooooo hope he is processing all these elements..

let me look at some again..I luv it.
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« Reply #1324 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 7:37pm »

I often think of the saying, brave men die only once, and cowards a thousand times..
A lot of the poking could have been prevented if he had come foward.
the best expanation of this I came across this.

Cowards face countless times where some sort of backbone is needed as do we all. Cowards run from these daily challenges and don't have the backbone to face them. They must live with this emptiness of not accepting life's challenges and to this they are dead to life itself in many countless ways and instances. The brave man faces his challenges and does not experience the emptiness of cowardness and like all human beings does eventually die but it is only one time.
What a great void and emptiness that must be. sad
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« Reply #1325 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 11:16am »

Like me, I think there are other people who find the saga interesting without buying into the whole drama of US government working in cohoots with aliens.

But your point is very well drawn Dr.Dill. If we make Isaac as part of the drones, then we have to accept his words or discount them, dismiss these revelations, one can't really cherry pick here.

Personally, I've not accepted the whole UFO phenomena complete with 57 varieties of aliens and all the famous stories that so many are familiar with. I think it is very possible or likely, based on astronauts accounts as well, that there is phenomena, but does the US gov have a coverup about it complete with Aliens in the freezer.. I don't know and I don't dwell on it either. I'm not a ufo fan, but I do like mysteries.

I've never read a UFO book and I don't really know what I expect to gain from this except the possibility of finding out the genesis of this saga and I like the group on both sides of the fence here, each side has some smart and talented people on it ... even though they disagree. Keeps it all the more colorful I suppose..
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« Reply #1326 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 11:29am »

on Jul 4th, 2012, 10:15am, Қℓάť wrote:
Oh, wait...did nobody else in the past 5 years pick up on the strange blue/white/u-shaped square anomaly dead center in the dronus maximus (aka Big Basin) hi-rez image?

Nobody blow this thing up and look carefully inside-out, just me? Well, having some time on my hands I did just that. Found nothing alien at all, but did see a few things here and on that Inventory 'photo' too.

Magnify in your program of choice ( I flipped it 180 for a different perspective) or even in a browser zoom, go dead center of the photo, and see if you see an out-of-place blue and white U-shaped CGI-type artifact or just an unlucky pixel square-dance overlooked by a sneezing Creator? It was supposed to be slats on the other side of the mix-and-match torus, but the artificiality and perspective is so way off...well, you be the judge.

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Besides the cool spikey thing that looks like the previous earthling-creations, here is just a blowup of the hi-rez middle target area, and it's minimally brightened and upside-down to better see what looks like a CGI mistake that wouldn't show up on a real photograph.

Of course, thats only my opinion, but those with more experienced eyes probably can find more glitches of the human kind.

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No Қℓάť, the drones make no mistakes.




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It is simply a thermos flask, ultra long exposure makes one thirsty, is all.


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« Reply #1327 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 11:36am »

It actually looks even more like a photograph when you look at it from that angle and scale.. IMO
Also, it doesn't look to me like a cgi artifact, it kinda looks like an object held in place by a plastic tie.
Seriously, look at the detail in just that subset showing the blue bullet .. WTF ? This is an example of what makes this saga so interesting.
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« Reply #1328 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 11:53am »


A personal favourite:

The Drone chandelier.

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« Reply #1329 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 5:15pm »

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It is simply a thermos flask, ultra long exposure makes one thirsty, is all.

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@Doc, the chandeliers are making for a great light show, on this auspicious 4th of July!
God forgive me, I am happy with my station in life..but... .I wish I lived near a salvage yard putting things just like this together , bearing cages and hubs from bikes, cars, helmets, and even old German washing machines..
http://www.google.com/search?q=cylindrical+bearing&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=37T0T9XoHpGC8ASwnpH8Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=775


and all self assembling!!
etrabc123 was so lucky to live at one, or was that a used car business in UK, a nice young couple at that.some people are just plain lucky! cry
Bearing all this in mind..What a fascinating mystery and opportunity for marketing just about any product..
If you want to trasverse and see your way thru the galaxy make sure _____is part of your trip( scania thermos, chandelier,bearing chambers, etc) The possibilities like Isaacs combinatorics, boggle the mind!
The first universal all in one flying billboard.
but that thermos bottle, tells us these ET's are very much like us. shocked


David Wheeler goes: "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection"


Klat, he prolly left it on lunch break. If so, then the measurements to compare actual size of this mother of all well just exquisite work of mechano-mimicry or more aptly mechano-mime, since it does't talk.. is possible.
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« Reply #1330 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 9:54pm »

Klat, are you saying that this will throw a slackard or monkey wrench into the Droneworx operations? shocked
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By Jove, I am waiting with baited breath! grin
I'll post some halftime music !
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« Reply #1331 on: Jul 9th, 2012, 10:08pm »

Hi! You seem like smart guys! what do you know about particle physics?

How is it that the question of how the drones might work never really has been discussed as scientific evidence? Why not go into the possible workings of the drones, instead of dismissing them as a hoax? I might be a newcomer here, but I fail to see evidence postulating either the pro or con? Is it established that the drones are all fake, or why this persistance of talking about them? Sure, evidence that are conclusive need to be brought forward? Just a maybe complex question, but also a simple one?

Just asking, from reading almost all posts here..only teh posts from someone called VonStern has up to this date made sense..if I read this right? Maybe I'm wrong?

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« Reply #1332 on: Jul 9th, 2012, 10:18pm »

on Jul 9th, 2012, 10:08pm, Clueless1 wrote:
Just asking, from reading almost all posts here..only teh posts from someone called VonStern has up to this date made sense..if I read this right? Maybe I'm wrong?



grin Good one!

But if you have read almost all the posts here, surely you must know the humor thread is over here: http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1258745506&start=2340

Do head on over and participate. The party will no doubt go on for some time yet.
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« Reply #1333 on: Jul 9th, 2012, 10:22pm »

I didn't read that one, sorry! Good of you to guide me! I just wondered why this still is discussed here, as it obviously is dismissed as a hoax? Just curious?

Very funny! Haha!

Sure you guys haven't heard of Quantum physics/mechanics? I'm sure there's more to this than what meets the eye.
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« Reply #1334 on: Jul 9th, 2012, 10:34pm »

We don't know who is responsible. Some of us made friends in the quest for the truth. Watching how the memes and images associated with the whole fisaco have filtered into the culture at large can be fun. Katt's art is wonderful. Others come up with some insanely creative things too. There are many other reasons we continue with our participation here. Some of us have to hang around just to keep the BS from the believers in check, too.

You can say it was "dismissed as a hoax," but that's not really very accurate. It was given a fair shot at being proven by the claimants, who could be said to have fallen flat on their faces if not for the fact that the claimants did not exist. The drones never existed, like it or not.
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