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« Reply #390 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm »

Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!
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« Reply #391 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:54pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:01pm, Icarus99 wrote:
No mirror, so here we go:

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« Reply #392 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:24pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!


Why is it so good? Are you saying this Big Basin Drone is the real deal?

Wow, that sure sounds great! Then it's all reAL

i have been playing this game for some time, looks like your blog pictures http://www.mystworlds.com/us/
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« Reply #393 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm »

I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!
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« Reply #394 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:55pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!


thanks i just hoped you knew more i am sorry if i bothert you asking just wondered as your pictures looked like the game
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« Reply #395 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 9:49pm »

how do you think its possible that the drones are real ans how do you know if they are not fake just wonderin sysconfig how do you know al this? are they fake
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« Reply #396 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 8:42pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I do not know if the BB Drone is real or fake. I know it is very good in what it does and that is for a ridiculous object to appear plausible. In the recent CG movies you have seen did most things appear plausible! They did not to me. They were good and entertaining, but hard for me to integrate into reality without a suspension of disbelief. I do not find this so with the BB Drone. Some of the other drones, I do. As I have said from the beginning, it looks like it means business and it looks like it has been around a long time. It could very well and probably is a nice fake, but still it bothers me. At least it is by far my favorite and if fake, what a fake!


Candid assessment..but whats the mystery..thats the goal of every writer of fiction. to make the story as real as possible..and its no less for movie..or videos..take the hoaxer artist Thierry Speth..of the Apollo hoax..a great photgrapher..paid attention in an above average manner..because he knew there would be above average viewer not willing to suspend that element of disbelief..production sets conduct extensive research.. and retain professional consultants..in the subject matter..

But here is a voice from the past that gave his opinion...who has direct experience with craft of all types..the only credentialed one out of all the experts..and what he said
From: Arthur A. Reyes, Ph.D.,
Information and Computer Science

Subject: "Isaac" is credible & his "language" merits research.
Date: July 6, 2007
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

I read all the content at Isaac's website carefully. I share with you
some of my thoughts about it, especially the "language": I feel Isaac's
diagrammatic notation is more important than any other aspect of his
website or this emerging story.



Emphasis added..remaining in context..




Yes Isaac sounded credible..believable..but we know in this business that can be big stretch from truthful..And for a specialist of Reyes stature to be concerned with the notations..which..we now were directed at the esoteric..with crop circle and mandalic connections.. and what not..he stopped..He was speaking on his own personal feelings..about the lettering and not the craft which would..something which actually should have been reversed..this in an almost dismissive manner..the craft...its realism not even mentioend..would have had some priority..he went on afterwards to compare Isaacs words to Ray Kurzweill...and the "Singularity"..

Arthurs..Vitae for prospective I wanna believe newcomers to the game..

A Little About Me

I have served as a senior lecturer or assistant professor in the
department of Computer Science & Engineering at the University of Texas
at Arlington continuously since 1999. I earned a Ph.D. in Information &
Computer Science from the University of California at Irvine (UCI) in
1999 and a Bachelor of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering from
Polytechnic University in 1987. I worked as an engineer on the B-2
bomber for Northrop in Pico Rivera (Los Angeles) from 1987 to 1992. In
graduate school I researched tools & methods for software engineering,
including programming languages, expert systems, & various diagrammatic
notations. I now teach senior & first-year graduate courses in
software engineering, advise undergraduate students regarding their
academic progress each term, and help direct the university's Autonomous
Vehicles Laboratory.

My following comments do not represent the University of Texas-Arlington, but are my personal observations based on a long-time engineering and computer science career.



Like meeting a blind date..not to your liking..and commenting only.. err..nice dress..or visiting an art museum..and speaking not about the works ..but the frames around the painting..is their a subliminal message here? It certainly seems to scream out out to me..

To merely say say, i don't know, can't tell.. and oh..but what a fake! Is commendable..but....it's more a compliment to the other artist than any help to a truth seeker..and gives that ray hope..the dangling carrot...something I am sure you don't want..I would surmise that Reyes is more telling than that enthusiastic compliment is.. cool
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« Reply #397 on: Jun 23rd, 2010, 11:37pm »

ill admit, when i had first seen the drone pics. i thought they were real, i looked at them for HOURS trying to see any flaws. and i still only have seen one, so im still some what wondering ya know. but i noticed this a long time ago and emailed it to a photo pro... guy lol. and he couldnt tell me what it was or what was causing the flair. and i dont know if any one else has noticed it, if so then sorry for bringing it up again. but if not, can any of you figure this one out?
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« Reply #398 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 12:50am »

go to ufo-blogs dronehoax.com or omfs expert thread..where those that knew better than you and I ..what made these pix phony..even with LMH witholding 11 pix..even with DRT refusal to send it to University people ..ask them why not..they blow over you..period..independent no axe to grind assessment..that could tell even from a scan..like lindas..all it took was the one....no need to rehash..the work was done..
Read Torvals..Marvins..a host of people..other side had nothing. except to their credit..a actual model that disproved their case..if we suspended disbelief..we also suspended the burden of proof..that was theirs....they could provide nothing..to this day..except..a parade of witnesses proved liars..to hope its real..and or perhaps some sinister gubbamint'hand did it....all speculation..go look at the work that was done..
Somebody wants more buzz..then ask why wasn't that done by Linda ..Drt..and company..in fact..Whitley told a Star Tor a friend and website owner....who pointed out fake early..she pleaded with whitley..and he claimed to have had analysis done..all we get now from him..is his ..Recant..from 2008..
who says s like IC..well..if it was a dream..it was a lulu of a dream..

For those religiously inclined..this as if Jesus were to say.. to the Romans just before getting nailed.. " Err..Would you believe Prince of the Jews?
again..they leave themselves a back door..admit nothing..leaving opening to keep blowing smoke up our collective a$$e$..<<Its how they make their Living!!and how they keep their sites thriving..
Its disingenuous..its subterfuge..plain dishonest with all thats been said and done..and its the real agenda..make no mistake about that..you decide...just make it an informed decision..if you really want to know..

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« Reply #399 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 01:57am »

umm, thats umm.... well said? and all. but it dosent answer my question. if this pic is a fake, them is that a blunt smudge, if the pic is real, is it maybe a second object, running ground work for the first. see this is my problem, there's no honest answer to rather these pics are real or someones fansey photoshopin.
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« Reply #400 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 02:04am »

well..3 years with the money they had to send it to a lab..I even pointed one to them that would do it for 5k .I corresponded..and they backed off...and dropped the subject....I'm sure they could tell..may not you nor I..I don't claim to be an expert..I already said..Go to droanhoax.com..and if pix was real!..who said it was real..where is the beef..I'm not going down the prim rose path of logical/illogical conondrums..when you have the biggger picture of all these actors and admitted hoaxters already before you.
They read this site..they read ATS..they Know of Docs impecccable record..Those people hated the word expert..but thats what independent bodies are for from the beginning..not the end....Thats a question should be asked them..Their members are here too..let them answer.
come on..like was said at another site once..lets get this thread numbers up..I'm ready to rock and roll wink
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« Reply #401 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 03:20am »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 11:37pm, skytiger wrote:
ill admit, when i had first seen the drone pics. i thought they were real, i looked at them for HOURS trying to see any flaws. and i still only have seen one, so im still some what wondering ya know. but i noticed this a long time ago and emailed it to a photo pro... guy lol. and he couldnt tell me what it was or what was causing the flair. and i dont know if any one else has noticed it, if so then sorry for bringing it up again. but if not, can any of you figure this one out?
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Can you repost this picture? skytiger. It doesn't show now. Thanks.

Sys there was not a money tree financing the investigation, there were many experts that looked at the pictures. Many many experts. Many different opinions. Even police forensic experts examined the pictures. I even sent them to Lucas Studios. I have always had two other places I would like to send these pictures, but the cost would have been a fortune unless I could convince them to do it as an excercise of study. If I had time I would dig up now who these institutions are.

But what can they tell us?
If they are fake and how they perceive it was done.

Well we know that one (the Raj pictures) were engineered. But our own resources are what we have now to figure out this riddle. We are all collectively in time capable possibly of figuring this out......
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« Reply #402 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 03:24am »

Icarus, I have to bite the bullet and ask you, what is for me, the most important question right now..
To what degree do you estimate the IA has had a part in this saga?

And I so agree with you Icarus "but why so unnecessarily good!" You said a mouthful there about the whole slew of material put out and that is what has kept everyone hooked. Could this be the answer? And why? What was or is the agenda?
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« Reply #403 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 07:04am »

on Jun 23rd, 2010, 7:53pm, Icarus99 wrote:
Of all the drones the Big Basin Drone defies CG the most in my opinion. I suppose it could be done, but the desire to include such detail would border on the fanatical and talented. It really is very different from the others. Were the other drones created to divert attention from it! Was it done to confuse the whole issue. This drone (fake or not) is the DRONE. It really seems to be about its business whatever that is. It is either very old or made to appear very old. Take a simple look at the current CG on the cinema screens, I just do not see its like. It has a certain feeling about it. Fake, probably, but why so unnecessarily good!



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You are working hard to make a sale here IC.

Why would a CGI artist work so hard to point out the greatness of a CGI photo? Hmm.......

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« Reply #404 on: Jun 24th, 2010, 3:17pm »

Yes I agree Marv ..brings to mind the saying..the face only a mother could love. The only other person amplifying that is Tommi...with the pix of craft had Character statement..Just like Lev sets it apart from others as too good..
They (DRT)paid the PIs tens of thousands..hired with Tomis direct assistance..Tomi..the direct hotline to LMH..Tomi ..who wouldn't take notes ..during this investigation and research..but keeps emails..but has to look for them somewhere..Tomi.in her own words said husband is a software developer one day and a war craft loving cop raiding pubs another day..She owns a business one day..and we know we cant find it anywhere..a legitimate business would post itself..How the heck they stay in business..just word of mouth? Buzz?
Tomi..who protected numbers..a proven liar..
Tomi who told me Tom left to find new love..but Tom says had a death in Family..to account for the long absence....Dig that PM up Tomi!
Tomi who ran from Arc member to Arc member saying LMH had something that would knock our quote "socks off"..Mur can confirm this..
2 years is one hell of a long fuse..don't ya think? My socks can literally stand up by themselves now they're so toasty...

Tomi who said I ruined everything for them at Omf and the investigation..because she cracked out of turn..we now its just a game plan..not an investigation they were doing..
Tomi..imo a proven liar, a fabricator. who's only agenda is to keep the useless banter going..maybe they can make some big conspiracy ala Henry Makow ..Lev would love that..LMH would love that..DRT would love that
To get the TV coverage and news play..costs thousands..yet it was done as a favor for two flat foot PIs , who for the most kind thing I will say is don't know their ass from their elbows as far as this matter goes....culling old favors ..BS!...had they sent what any reasonable person would have done before PIs were hired..none of us would be here today..Clear what she did then..and clear what she is doing now..
So now we have these two ying-yanging the art beyond the pale as works of genius..I know you said we are amplified..but..isn't that pumping up the volume a tad too high?..Its going to take a lot more yodeling than that for a crowd to gather..

Yes why is that Bubba'?

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