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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #450 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 06:31am »

Hi Tomi,

I agree about you being the most approachable DRT member and Iím not really saying any actions were intentional and it certainly wasnít a one-way street as I was (at least!!) as guilty as anyone but, itís all water under the bridge nowÖ.. smiley

You know Iíve spoke up on your behalf on several occasions and would do again if I thought you were being treated unfairly. And also whilst it may reflect badly on me I used to somewhat enjoy our OMF food-fights back in the halcyon days (and I still look back on them fondly!! kiss)


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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #451 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 09:56am »

I'm just trying to get some perspective, or add some perspective, moving back, out, trying to get a grasp on the big picture. First assumption is that most want "disclosure". In other words an admission by the government or some private organization that UFOs are real and are either from another world or another dimension. Or conversely fake or something else.

At the time of the drone introduction 2007 or early 2008, (not that it really matters anymore) this could have been either a significant path to disclosure or a significant hindrance.

Since then it's become obvious that it is just a hoax. But more significantly in the ensuing few years what has become even more apparent is that it doesn't even matter anymore.

I thought (and most mistakenly) that with the Internet and the greater flow of information, disclosure would be more likely. Little did I know how wrong I was. The assumption may have been valid but totally erroneous.

What is it about this topic that attracts hoaxers and crazy people? Everybody seems to have a story or an agenda. It's not enough that someone tell us how stupid we are they actually want to do a CGI video to prove it. Okay we get it.

This particular hoax might have been noteworthy at the time but now it just fades into obscurity amongst all the other hoaxes and agendas, and contactees.

Those who think we've been on a path to disclosure are sadly mistaken because of the trail that we were on has now opened up into an open field full of hoaxers, agendas, and crazy people, the internet.

We could have an alien hybrid for a president and everybody would be so focused on their own personal agendas no one would notice. Talk about hiding in plain site.


The relevance of the drones has long since faded into the background. Today's CGI coupled with people's personal agendas, coupled with all the crazies out there makes it impossible to discern fake from real, another strand of wheat in a wheat field, reality from fantasy. In other words it's all become blurred. And the drones are just among the first of computer age CGI to attract attention, but now just a merge into one big blur. Irrelevant when looking at the vast field in the clearing before us. Just look at all thoes utube videos, some every bit as worthy as the drones, and the various web stories, every bit as convincing as embeded self actuating symbolic code. Carrion is off on his government conspiracy black ops website. Mufon is babysitting for wackos. Everybody has a website and an agenda. Like a little snake crawling through the vast expanse of a field, a wiggly trickle of truth which no one will ever notice or find.

Check this out I think it pretty much sums up the current situation.


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« Reply #452 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 10:46am »

I sense your frustration and your disgust maybe at the way things have turned out from that perspective.

I've been thinking from a different perspective though. I know nobody believes it, but I have been subscribed to ufo-updates for ages, long before the drone drama and long before I looked at forums for information.

I watched everyone there for years complain how little attention or regard the media gave this subject. The public ridiculed and the media ignored.

Now it is fashionable both in the media and a little bit out in the public to have an interest in this subject. A lot has changed for the better from the way I see it.

Disclosure has happened for those who want to know I think. The confirming documents from top sources, people like astronauts and top scientists. But only to those who invest the time to find out.

When people say they want disclosure are they saying they want vindication for all the years of belief or reseach? For many out there, even if the POTUS came out and made a speech about it, there would be disbelief. Maybe a natural conditioning is occuring just because of the means we have at this time with the internet, the media's exploitation of it and so many convienent cameras and cams these days? Maybe everything is just as it should be. And what one group in this world would actually have the answers the public would expect? Is there such a group?

If Bigelow is still monitoring the Skinwalker ranch or his scientists can still not make sense out of that data, then maybe we are a very long way from having any answers. Like a universal theory of everything ..
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« Reply #453 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 11:40am »

Well from my perspective disclosure is not so much whether they are real or not but rather from what planet, or dimension, or time. I've had two very convincing episodes.

One theory that sticks with me and I cannot tell you where I read it or learned of it but that government is aware and knows that the aliens don't really care about us, nor would they engage us in any manner. So the point of disclosure would probably have more negatives than positives and from what I've seen on the Internet this is probably a certainty.


Now this does not take into account alien abduction but I'm not really sure how much that fits anyway.
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« Reply #454 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 11:54am »

"Like Kris, I ended up giving my full identity and personal information to those in a position like yourself to verify me"

Well..Thats not quite totally true tomi..
the information you provided them to verify was totally useless..in fact..made you no more
verifiable than being on the mailing list at ufo update where you appear only once in re that Turkish ufo in 2007 where you actually were skeptical..
Unlike this case where you demonstrated unwavering deference to the believer side..somehow..the objectivety in regards to possible helium baloons...went out
..not tr4ying to be facetious...out the window and with the helium baloons you mentioned in that case.
The registry at ATS in 2004 with your current nick ..not posting till long after that..when the drones surfaced..
Its no mystery to me that in any o..private..commercial..government..etc..a ground has to be laid..pointing here there everywhere..anywhere....but the truth..
As people will perform superficial checks..That certa

Other than that I don't see this LONG history you want us to think..

WE HAVE THAT INFO TOO Tomi..The Tolerance of Dr. Dil..is perhaps greater than Jobs..(I do thank you Doc..sincerely..you are wise beyond your years)....as we are getting closer to the truth..of which you desiring to be at center stage..will no doubt make you part of the answer.integral or not..


You appear nowhere else in your real name .not even your nome de plume..with a computer business ..which would be trying to get itself known in other circles ..on the internet period...as you stated in your Dossier...I believe Didier appears on there that case too..as Didier..and of course his anti American -CiaJihads elsewhere and everywhere for Disclosure..

As Tomiuk01 or other variant..so at leat in the moment of mea culpa..be accurate and not misleading or misdirective..



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bJGfIJz6lUQJ:ufoupdateslist.com/2007/jan/m30-006.shtml+karn+narsiff%3Dellis+ufo+updates&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Lets remember this is about deception..manipulation of beliefs and images..and .words...and whatever combination
is necessary to get the job done..


Just in case we forget..shades of OMF..and here..


Yes Blackwater..I saw that too .on a website..other than .was it only youtube? I was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spent more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

Does that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get back from UK IC?
Being that the area you reside in has lots of kin and friend that have lived their for years..I noted a Tyler B.. and CH Dillashaw..that live in the area....any relationshi and or Transposition of lettering ?
..you know how I am about anagrams and transpositions.?
..just so I can scratch some things off my list if necessary..as we ease on ease on down the road smiley

@ Gort..Remebr that website done by the same people that did the Caret..at the same time..and suddenly dropped it..they put a date of 2004 on their key post explanation..of may 2004..then poof as someone at another website pointed that out..the thrust being exopolitical in nature....I think we all remember that...and..hope I do not have to repost it..
I'm going to a barbecue and have to go now..
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« Reply #455 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 12:02pm »

I've never seen a ufo but had a strange event in the late 80's. Nothing since, except I developed this interest in the subject. Hmmm

Now I see what you have written sys and funny enough, after I posted that about a year later, I emailed Errol and asked him if somehow my name could be deleted. That is how green I was...
but yes that was my only post and I've probably been on that list since its it's early beginnings because I used uni servers and bbs before then when I wanted to try to keep up on the subject. No biggie.

My computer support business has grown by referrals and because I subcontract to do work for bigger companies. But I do have a dire need to get my a** in gear and get those business cards etc done... since I've got a brilliant logo to use now. But anytime DrDil wants to call my land line number, he can listen to my answering machine, I trust he would not share my personal details.
I will even give him some client references np.

edit to add.. second thoughts prevailed.. knowing this crowd.. out of self preservation deleted earlier edit to add.

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« Reply #456 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 12:03pm »

on Jun 26th, 2010, 11:54am, Sysconfig wrote:
"Like Kris, I ended up giving my full identity and personal information to those in a position like yourself to verify me"

@ Tomi Well..Thats not quite totally true tomi..
the information you provided them to verify was totally useless..in fact..made you no more
verifiable than being on the mailing list at ufo update where you appear only once in re that Turkish ufo in 2007 where you actually were skeptical..
Unlike this case where you demonstrated unwavering deference to the believer side..somehow..the objectivety in regards to possible helium baloons...went out
..not trying to be facetious...out the window and with the helium balloons you mentioned in that case.
The registry at ATS in 2004 with your current nick ..not posting till long after that..when the drones surfaced..
Its no mystery to me that in any o..private..commercial..government..etc..a ground has to be laid..pointing here there everywhere..anywhere....but the truth..
As people will perform superficial checks..That certa

Other than that I don't see this LONG history you want us to think..

WE HAVE THAT INFO TOO Tomi..The Tolerance of Dr. Dil..is perhaps greater than Jobs..(I do thank you Doc..sincerely..you are wise beyond your years)....as we are getting closer to the truth..of which you desiring to be at center stage..will no doubt make you part of the answer.integral or not..


You appear nowhere else in your real name (barring years pre 2000old info old non computer business ).not even your nome de plume..with a computer business ...testimonials and contact numbers...which any legit business would be trying to get itself known in other circles ..on the internet period...as you stated in your Dossier...I believe Didier appears on there that case too..as Didier..and of course his anti American -Cia Jihads elsewhere and everywhere for Disclosure..

As Tomiuk01 or other variant..so at leat in the moment of mea culpa..be accurate and not misleading or mis-directive..
But at least allow IC to answer the question i asked the last page..



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bJGfIJz6lUQJ:ufoupdateslist.com/2007/jan/m30-006.shtml+karn+narsiff%3Dellis+ufo+updates&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Lets remember this is about deception..manipulation of beliefs and images..and .words...and FEELINGs..and whatever combination
is necessary to get the job done..


Just in case we forget..shades of OMF..and here..


@ IC ..Yes Blackwater..I saw that too .on a website..other than .was it only youtube? I was trying to connect it with the other UK "anomalies" being that IC said he had been in UK and spent more than an insignificant time there working..then that would seem to mean ..if I can take a frogs leap (pun intended) he was there until very recently..at least by the time his comment was published.

1ADoes that play in or aired on cable there in Georgia?
But why not lets ask?..Exactly When did you get back from UK IC?
1B (smileyBeing that the area you reside in has lots of kin and friends that have lived their for years..I noted a Tyler B.. and CH Dillashaw..that live in the area....any relationship and or Transposition of lettering ?
..you know how I am about anagrams and transpositions.
..just so I can scratch some things off my list if necessary..as we ease on ease on down the road smiley

@ Gort..Remember that website done by the same people that did the Caret..at the same time..and suddenly dropped it..they put a date of 2004 on their key post explanation..of may 2004..then poof as someone at another website pointed that out..the thrust being exopolitical in nature....I think we all remember that...and..hope I do not have to repost it..
I'm going to my granins ' barbecue and have to go now..no patience there..!!
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« Reply #457 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 12:17pm »

on Jun 26th, 2010, 03:12am, neveleeleven wrote:
I apologize DrDil, and others...

Sorry to say but some of you are on the receiving end of a few experiments I have been doing, so my posting style may seem........ crazy.

Nothing is as it seems, just remember that.

smiley


I have read and heard better excuses, but - of course - you are welcome.
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« Reply #458 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 12:43pm »

Sys, boy time flies when youíre having fun!
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« Reply #459 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 1:14pm »

Just as I've never posted anyones personal details, I would really appreciate the same consideration. There is nothing worse than being compromised that way, esp being a woman. It's not safe and its not necessary anyway. None of these questions are. Ask drdil about the email list sys, I've forwarded something to him.
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« Reply #460 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 1:30pm »

I didn't here a word of protest when mine was pastered all over the internet by Didier. where was your conscience then? Its ok to have someone else thru a telescope..but not ok to turn it around I see....or to give it to mailing lists..but..not ok to post mailing lists reference here..

Well if you can't take the heat..get out the kitchen....you set the fires...Your email is on on an OMF subscriber list appearing on an email Mur sent me..as well as Ufo update..and like I said..it leads to baloney..with big gaps in it. You raised the personal sacrifice of disclosing personal info..Yet..nothing there as you claimed..of substance..Your real name is not the issue..what you are doing and claim to be doing is You say such is fraught with danger..but you converse and share info with Lev..allegedly..schizophrenic..subject to rage fits..your kindred spirit.. no nothing of the sort..fearless like Shirley..I should have more to fear than you..Bubba loves up the street statewise from me..so does Shad and Gort..lLoL shocked or one you claim as in depth involvement.Do you have anything that would indicate othere wise or was it just another of a long series of untruths. which like blankets as profusely like green in Splendor of the grass..
and your last post does then contradict that long and implied vigorous involvement..Ill be happy to delete that if you still want though I don't think ufo updates would.
I think I made the point..that anything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt and not to be trusted..even though you are a fun loving nice lady, who doesn't care who is right or wrong..much less accurate..lest its us..but just keeping the intrigue..no..chatter.. up..

On that note..I place you as on ATS a mental ignore..

I apologize for the above distraction...now..
IC don't froget (sic)me and my question(s) , and Marvs too..whew!Thanx!! grin
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« Reply #461 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 2:24pm »

on Jun 26th, 2010, 1:30pm, Sysconfig wrote:
I didn't here a word of protest when mine was pastered all over the internet by Didier.

If that happened I don't remember, and I'm sorry that it did. But recognise that I had/have no more control over what Didier would decide to do than I would over what drdil would decide to do. Ziltch.. nadda none ..
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where was your conscience then?

see above.
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Its ok to have someone else thru a telescope..

Only suspects not people I research with...
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but not ok to turn it around I see....of to give it to mailing lists..but..not ok to post same here..

Yes that was my mistake. Errol could hardly be expected to edit out a post in as big an email list as that is because I left my name there.
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Well if you can't take the heat..get out the kitchen....you set the fires...

What fires? The only fires seem to come from people chasing people chasing this case.. sigh rolleyes
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Your email is on on an OMF subscriber list appearing on an email Mur sent me

For crying out loud.. if you have my email addy why do you need it from Mur? Mur??
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..as well as Ufo update..

Please my email address is not necessary to broadcast.. I use it like everyone else.. so it is out there. big deal, what is the point?
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and like I said..it leads to baloney..with big gaps in it.

So fricking what? You think I spend my life going around leaving my mark where ever I can with an email address to appease you and your tiring suspictions?
I don't go to great lengths to hide my tracks, but I can tell you for sure after doing all this research for the case, I'm not prone to ever..
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You raised the personal sacrifice of disclosing personal info..Yet..nothing there as you claimed

Strawman argument sys..
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..of substance...

strawman. unless you can give reasonable examples.
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You say such is fraught with danger

Yes it is. I don't know everyone who reads this thread but if some psycho was following this and decided to stalk the most vulnerable person who posts in this thread it would be me. So please do not post my personal info.
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..but you converse and share info with Lev..

Lev knows less about me than I'm sure you do. Only what he reads here. Our pms are about the case where I ask questions and he tries to find unique ways of answering them rolleyes
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allegedly..schizophrenic..subject to rage fits..

That's not how I perceive Lev/Icarus/et al.
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your kindred spirit..

Well, I'll admit.. they did make me an IA initiate right off the bat.. tongue wink
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no nothing of the sort..for one you claim as in depth involvement.Do you have anything that would indicate othere wise or was it just another of a long series of untruths.

strawman accusation actually.
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which like blankets as profusely like green in Splendor of the grass..

eh?? totally lost me there unless we are back to frogs again..
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and your last post does then contradict that long and implied vigorous involvement..

sys, I've only posted there once. But if you would like to bother errol I will give him my ok to look back through all his records for my prior email addresses when I was in the states. I know he will be delighted. However, I'm pretty sure he will say I've been on that list way before 2007 with the current email addy he has now.
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Ill be happy to delete that if you still want though I think ufo updates would..
I think I made the point..that anything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt and not to be trusted..even though you are a fun loving nice lady, who doesn't care who is right or wrong..but just keep the intrigue up..

What intrigue? I should be getting serious RL stuff done and instead I'm putzing around on this thread.. I would hardly call that intrigue. Procastination maybe..
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« Reply #462 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 2:28pm »

I apologize for the above distraction...now..
IC don't froget (sic)me and my question(s) ,

Were you in UK at the time of Uk Has Talent? and when did you get back? and was CH Dillashaw a possible origin for using Chad..and Tyler Bowen for TY B and Marvs Q's, don't want his buried anymore than mine...lol..lost your answer..but Thanx in advance if you did....whew!Thanx!! grin
Would you mine sharing your agenda, (you did state you had one)..?
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« Reply #463 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 3:11pm »

on Jun 26th, 2010, 09:56am, Gort wrote:
I'm just trying to get some perspective


Hi Gort, I had to read your - unusually long post more than once.

I think, the problem is not so much, what happens in Ufology and forums like this one. You are simply too intelligent, not to realize, that most of all this stuff is just nonsense, hoaxers and false prophets.

You had some experiences and hoped to find answers. Now you see, that there is nothing and you will have to find the answers yourself or listen to other people.

I did not see, that anybody understood that Lev just demasked one more false prophet, when he confessed (?), that the whole Alabama drone case was his creation.

To me it was clear, that this all was a game, because I never hoped to find any proof for things, I don't believe in. Call it biased, if you want. But other than the believers I never was dissapointed by any result. Because all results show: Hoax.

I must admit, that some cases are never solved. But knowing, that ALL solved cases are hoax and/or mislead interpretations I feel very good with that.

Respect to you and everybody, who posts here or elsewhere.
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« Reply #464 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 3:12pm »

How funny, I do not know the real names of anyone on this journey.

I have not been in England lately.

No anagrams have been used by me concerning the drones.

Marvin will have to show me the exact images he is asking about.

Oh yes, I recently posted on DRT and clarified much. This was due to the ongoing Ted posts. Now it turns out I muddy the waters and am banned from posting. They also changed my profile to read admitted hoaxer.

Just keeping it out in the open. I wonder why the DRT does not have a problem with Ted and the Alabama coincidence!
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