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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #630 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 06:38am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:34am, tomi01uk wrote:
Who instigated this SERPO story ? Were real gov goofs ever substanciated? Or is this another part of the background that gives good fantasy?

It's reasonably caimed that it was from Rick Doty & via VM.
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« Reply #631 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 07:29am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 04:42am, tomi01uk wrote:
Wow is all I can say.. :
http://www.serpo.info/



Wow indeed...this here is like the chart I kinda-sorta was hinting at, but the one I had in mind was more LAP-diagram-ish:

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« Reply #632 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 07:35am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 06:38am, DrDil wrote:
It's reasonably caimed that it was from Rick Doty & via VM.


ANOTHER WOW!

Remember that Linda Moulton Howe had SUCH A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP with Richard Doty?

Her own words, right here:

ET Vehicles and Time Travel Technology
by Linda Moulton Howe


http://www.etfriends.com/conference/addinfo/howe.html
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« Reply #633 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 07:52am »

It's such a rabbit hole. So much of it is fantasy and delusion. And yet some isn't. Reading that pdf now from Corso called "Dawn of a New Age". And info in that conflicts with what LMH had reported here by Ben Rich. It boggles my mind how anyone could cope with so many conflicting stories coming from so many qualified officials and executives... rolleyes And then the drones.... Yeah, she was targeted, seems to me they knew just where to deploy these stories out there to her and the right forums.
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #634 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 07:58am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 07:35am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
ANOTHER WOW!

Remember that Linda Moulton Howe had SUCH A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP with Richard Doty?

Her own words, right here:

ET Vehicles and Time Travel Technology
by Linda Moulton Howe


http://www.etfriends.com/conference/addinfo/howe.html

Why do you think some of us gave her such a hard time?! laugh

Alas, yet again all is not as it seems. wink

That’s just the exterior of this particular rabbit-hole as it runs far deeper.

What that article doesn’t tell you is that their 1983 was not long after the destruction of Bennewitz and also wasn’t the first time ‘genuine’ footage had been offered, and was in fact Doty once again hoaxing the UFO community, this time via LMH herself (who had just been offered a contract to do a UFO documentary by HBO). The difference being that this time Doty would at least appear to be carrying out a viable counter-intelligence sting operation.

Moore –the REAL Bennewitz hoaxer- publicly commented on the debacle five years later, saying:

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"Because of Howe's interest in Bennewitz's work…..elements within the intelligence community were concerned that the story of his having intercepted low-frequency, electro-magnetic emissions from the Coyote Canyon area of the Kirtland-Sandia complex would end up as part of a feature film. Since this, in turn, might influence others - possibly the Russians - to attempt similar experiments, someone in a control position apparently felt that it had to be stopped before it got out of hand."

“The government seemed hell-bent on severing the ties that existed between Howe and HBO."



What a tangled web we weave..... grin


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« Reply #635 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 08:12am »

I'm afraid to ask... who is Moore?

Well.. maybe this is a start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

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« Reply #636 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 08:35am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 08:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm afraid to ask... who is Moore?

Well.. maybe this is a start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

Or yet another deception tongue


Wow... some more: Sorry about the pun..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Moore_(ufologist)

It used to be said "The pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their backs".. but I wonder now.. rolleyes

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« Reply #637 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 2:10pm »

tomi is on the verge of an epiphany



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« Reply #638 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 2:36pm »

So... whats your secret insight here? Why be putting my name on your post? IF YOU have the answers let's hear it. Did he put this out himself? Is this him? Did the IC set this up out there along with his facebook page? Is he an undercover spook? grin What's your ephipany?

I think I do see now why the information is the carrot that allows ppl to excuse this without walking away from the whole thing because it so tainted to begin with.

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« Reply #639 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 2:46pm »

That Serpo arena is a cesspool. tongue
There is no way anyone can confirm any of the claims being made. It is ripe for deception, story telling and a host of other nonsense (IMO).
It is a Soap Opera that relies on faith and wanna believes.
It looks and smells of bad religion and cult followings. Total waste of my time (again IMHO).
I believe more in professional wrestling, roller derby, cartoons, Lady GaGa and my fav WWN. cool

It evens stinks up the Drone saga. grin
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« Reply #640 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 6:03pm »

You know, Dr. Dil, it would be absolutely fabulous to have a single drone thread mostly free from interpersonal strife, unabated humor, and general mockudom, but I thought we already HAD a drone humor thread elsewhere.

Clearly I slip up sometimes but in general try to adhere to the thrust of the thread I am participating in.

Hold my feet to the fire if I falter Dr. Dil.

(And a Happy 4th of July to all other Americans here!)

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #11
« Reply #641 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 6:39pm »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 6:03pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
You know, Dr. Dil, it would be absolutely fabulous to have a single drone thread mostly free from interpersonal strife, unabated humor, and general mockudom, but I thought we already HAD a drone humor thread elsewhere.

Clearly I slip up sometimes but in general try to adhere to the thrust of the thread I am participating in.

Hold my feet to the fire if I falter Dr. Dil.

Or perhaps I am asking a tad too much on this day the USA celebrates cutting subservient ties with the Motherland?

(And a Happy 4th of July to all other Americans here!)

Not sure what you mean as the last few posts were inadvertently instigated by Gort posting a link to an RU Blog-post on cults and asking why the Drones weren’t included in their list of hoaxes.

Tomi asked a couple of questions about SERPO which were answered as well as the obvious parallels which were drawn due to the misleading of LMH.

I thought you recognised as well as I do that the only way any discussion regarding the Drones progresses at all is due to overlooking the odd infraction by everyone who posts on these threads?

If you’re talking specifically about the image posted then whilst the link itself was tenuous it was partially relevant due to the Source A saga which had just been discussed by Tomi (and of course the image was one of Source A).

The image may have perhaps been a little inappropriate but hardly worth of strict moderation such as deleting it or moving it to another thread entirely would entail.

If any of that is of course what you were referencing…..
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« Reply #642 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 01:14am »

on Jul 4th, 2010, 05:43am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Tomi,

Yeah, first SERPO then the Drones and now Source A……

Whether it’s OMF, BOT, RU, AMKON, ATS or here at UFOCB I believe you have to ask yourself what’s the common denominator? Or a more revealing line of questioning may be at what point when does allowing someone a public platform to voice their claims become actively sponsoring disinformation and/or a hoax being perpetrated on the very community I/you/we/us/them claim to be a part of?

Perhaps the tipping point is when you start banning and censoring dissenting points of view?

“Fool me once, fool on you,
Fool me twice, fool on me.”


But fool me three times and counting?

One would hope that even the most trusting of persons would have to step back and see the ‘bigger picture’ (as it were!! kiss) And after doing so the natural progression would surely be to ask yourself where are the few places than any of these claims are are lent any credence whatsoever (never mind still attaching ANY importance to ALL of them)?

I’m not criticising any groups or websites here but merely sharing what I believe is the main bone of contention behind all of the bad blood that you allude to and which I agree was first highlighted and dragged into the public eye with the SERPO story.

And as for being ‘too seasoned by deception’ that’s hardly the point or even a valid observation is it?

What’s the difference between that and being experienced in recognizing an obvious deception? I don't look for signs of deception but if I see them I won't/don't pretend that it's just not there.

And as for the characters you mention, well, if they had at any juncture prior to the Drone release even hinted at their involvement in anything remotely related then you may have a point.

But for them all to inject themselves (i.e. by their own hand) into the unfolding drama after the original release and in my opinion none of them doing so convincingly (or with any corroborative evidence at all)?

Well, whilst perhaps anyone who thinks they are acting in good faith may not necessarily be naďve per se, I would certainly say that they are far too trusting and perhaps even to the point of being wilfully naďve…..


Cheers. smiley


Dr Dil..That's so eloquently put ...It should be bronzed. for Posterity..
willfully naive are such operative words..VC and Lev were are hardly welcome witnesses..they were active interlopers and one a proven or admiitted copycat ..and the other an admitted hoaxer..for whatever reason. the only gift I see given is a long line of trojan horses..If any gift taken..the trust broken time after time.. we placed on some of these websites to do he right things especially People at the media level like LMH and C2C The Icons of Ufology..and Whitley ..its almost a Vaticaan really complete with Pope and High Priestess..which like so much old relayered plaster of Paris..shatters and crumbles under stress..here the stress of scrutiny..
The Veil of Entertainment wont protect them now from the growing Buzz of public opinion..
Shorn away..to reveal the hydra and its nestlings..and no less exposed these websites like OM..paying their tithes to and receiving succor from .. and others fighting for scraps..others with the deals, books, and screenplays.
There are those who choose to describe this as a magnificent hoax as like paying homage to..admiration ..hardly..The Roman emperor Nero comes to mind..

I think Lev had Tomis posts as a Trophy..for gloating purposes..but I always wondered why he had one for Springer..as Lev hardly..to the best of my knowledge went there and engaged us. much less Springer..That was the one he declared hoax..You know the one I'm referring to Doc..
and it became evident to me he was most likely working both sides.
and whats fascinating is that other side didn't mind at all..
The same side that made its bed with OM like a chicks clutch under its mother..and protected zelously the same way..
As I said in my Roach post..turn on the lights and watch them scatter..

I may not be continuing much longer..for health reasons..But I will say it now before that moment comes upon me....its a real distinction knowing you sir...I saw the Heavens Video you posted..never knew you had it up..It's things like that that made hanging on this affair worth while..and its worthwhile seeing other peoples hard labor come to fruition..One can argue this will make some more cynical..I think. for me...It has redeemed my faith in people..and the ability of people to eventually see the "big Picture, even if for some it was straddled around their neck.. and for others...reach that singularity of excellence that cannot be tarnished..compromised..nor ever stopped..You certainly deserve that Dr.

I salute you

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« Reply #643 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 08:32am »

Sorry and apologies Dr. Dil, I meant no personal disrespect to you.

I was recalling the last several pages of this thread beginning whence you first had to do some official moderating and the like.

If you see everything here being copacetic with all the other posters, I stand corrected and say thanks.

(The 4th of July comment was added as an afterthought for posters like Sys, Katt, and others who make these USA holiday greetings from time to time, here and there. I will edit out the unfunny bits and say sorry again.)

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« Reply #644 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 2:24pm »

on Jul 5th, 2010, 01:14am, Sysconfig wrote:
Dr Dil..That's so eloquently put ...It should be bronzed. for Posterity..
willfully naive are such operative words..VC and Lev were are hardly welcome witnesses..they were active interlopers and one a proven or admiitted copycat ..and the other an admitted hoaxer..for whatever reason. the only gift I see given is a long line of trojan horses..If any gift taken..the trust broken time after time.. we placed on some of these websites to do he right things especially People at the media level like LMH and C2C The Icons of Ufology..and Whitley ..its almost a Vaticaan really complete with Pope and High Priestess..which like so much old relayered plaster of Paris..shatters and crumbles under stress..here the stress of scrutiny..
The Veil of Entertainment wont protect them now from the growing Buzz of public opinion..

Shorn away..to reveal the hydra and its nestlings..and no less exposed these websites like OM..paying their tithes to and receiving succor from .. and others fighting for scraps..others with the deals, books, and screenplays.

There are those who choose to describe this as a magnificent hoax as like paying homage to..admiration ..hardly..The Roman emperor Nero comes to mind..

I think Lev had Tomis posts as a Trophy..for gloating purposes..but I always wondered why he had one for Springer..as Lev hardly..to the best of my knowledge went there and engaged us. much less Springer..That was the one he declared hoax..You know the one I'm referring to Doc..and it became evident to me he was most likely working both sides.and whats fascinating is that other side didn't mind at all..

The same side that made its bed with OM like a chicks clutch under its mother..and protected zelously the same way..

As I said in my Roach post..turn on the lights and watch them scatter..

I may not be continuing much longer..for health reasons..But I will say it now before that moment comes upon me....its a real distinction knowing you sir...I saw the Heavens Video you posted..never knew you had it up..It's things like that that made hanging on this affair worth while..and its worthwhile seeing other peoples hard labor come to fruition..One can argue this will make some more cynical..I think. for me...It has redeemed my faith in people..and the ability of people to eventually see the "big Picture, even if for some it was straddled around their neck.. and for others...reach that singularity of excellence that cannot be tarnished..compromised..nor ever stopped..You certainly deserve that Dr.

I salute you

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Thanks for the kind words Sys and I’m sincerely sorry to hear of your ill-health. undecided

You've certainly had your moments of brilliance and I hope there are many more to come. And if you go on the ‘missing-list’ again be sure and leave me a valid means of contact this time (but hopefully it won’t be for quite a while yet.....)


Best regards old friend smiley,

Salutations, Greetings & Cheers!! cool
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