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« Reply #705 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 08:50am »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:16am, DrDil wrote:
I would be ecstatic if I was proven wrong on this but I just can’t foresee any set of circumstances that would be able to directly refute the many, many discrepancies, anomalies and blatant deceptions from the creators of the Drones which we have witnessed to date, can you?

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Not me, I wouldn't be ecstatic. I don't care one way or another. I've got nothing at stake here ego or belief wise. Except possibly my "wheels within wheels" theory. I'm partial to that, and it covers both camps either way as well. grin
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« Reply #706 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 09:22am »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:50am, tomi01uk wrote:
Not me, I wouldn't be ecstatic. I don't care one way or another. I've got nothing at stake here ego or belief wise. Except possibly my "wheels within wheels" theory. I'm partial to that, and it covers both camps either way as well. grin

What?!

Ego, belief, values, ideals, none of that even comes into it and the fact that you assume a Drone reality is directly related to a person’s ego or belief betrays your core belief behind the sentiment I think you’re trying to express.

To have the ETH publicly confirmed by something you’ve invested so much time in wouldn't delight you?

Meh, whatever Tomi. undecided

I guess we really are a LOT more different than I thought…..
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« Reply #707 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 11:43am »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 08:48am, Gort wrote:
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Hi Gort I’m surprised to see there’s no mention by you of (your nemesis grin) the Mufon Forum being unceremoniously nuked earlier today, you spent quite a bit of time there didn’t you?

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« Reply #708 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 11:48am »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 09:22am, DrDil wrote:
What?!

Ego, belief, values, ideals, none of that even comes into it and the fact that you assume a Drone reality is directly related to a person’s ego or belief betrays your core belief behind the sentiment I think you’re trying to express.

To have the ETH publicly confirmed by something you’ve invested so much time in wouldn't delight you?

Meh, whatever Tomi. undecided

I guess we really are a LOT more different than I thought…..


Hi drdil, Sorry I really didn't think or suspect what I said could be taken the wrong way. And my apologies if it was easy to do because of carelessly posted words.

A long long time ago, the possibility of the drones being out there uncloakable and disclosure coming from finding this out was kinda exciting to me if I remember.. but that was sooo long ago. I guess what I'm saying here is I would be delighted beyond words to just get to the core of what this is about. That would be enough for me and all I hope at this point for.

I'm very curious about ufo's, ufology etc and think about Jacque Vallee's theories as the more plausible, I think about ETH too, but neither in context with the drones.

I guess I've thought these days if the answer was closer to what Isaac says and ETH, I might dispair... The saga would never end, it would throw us down a bigger rabbit hole and it's a lot more work.. tongue

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and I agree often with your concepts. I really have no major difference of opinion with you. Just admiration a lot of the time. kiss

edit to add: You posted a quote from Bertrand Russell a few days ago. I was touting your virtues and that quote in a chat with someone even... so I guess that is why I used ego and beliefs and even stated where my ego and belief was in this (wheels within wheels theory).. No more than that.. and please no offense for anything...

If some have strong beliefs that there are elements of truth in the drone saga, and they investigate to substanciate this we are further along either way.. And since we have lots of evidence that they are hoaxed but we don't really know who and why yet.. there are still a lot of reasons some people may want to cherry pick to keep their favorite theories going until proven differently.
I gave up caring... basically so I could think of every possibily without favoritism. That's all I can tell you.
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« Reply #709 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 12:24pm »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:43am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Gort I’m surprised to see there’s no mention by you of (your nemesis grin) the Mufon Forum being unceremoniously nuked earlier today, you spent quite a bit of time there didn’t you?

Cheers.


I stopped posting their a while ago. However it was interesting to shuffle through the various posts. It doesn't surprise me that Clifford shut it down. They turned on the one good moderator they had from Northern California. He quit the Mufon board and deleted all his posts and in my opinion provided the best experience and information on whole subject. The board and its relation to Mufon was tenuous even when Carrion started it. When Carrion resigned from Mufon he remained as the board administrator. After an argumentative session within his own board over Roswell he picked up his marbles and went home and apparently relinquished the board to Mufon. I think Mufon took the opportunity to dump the board which in my opinion had as much credibility as the DRT but up until this point it wasn't actually "their" board although it had Mufon on it. It was actually somewhat of a rogue board with mostly DRT type believers running it. And I would suspect probably more of an embarrassment to Mufon then an enhancement.

I was telling another former poster some of the more memorable posts from that board which out of good taste I won't repeat here but they were unbelievable.

It's my understanding at this point that these (handful of) posters are starting their own bulletin board while Mufon would limit its new board to members only. And that's probably the best situation for all involved.
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« Reply #710 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 12:52pm »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 11:48am, tomi01uk wrote:
Hi drdil, Sorry I really didn't think or suspect what I said could be taken the wrong way. And my apologies if it was easy to do because of carelessly posted words.

A long long time ago, the possibility of the drones being out there uncloakable and disclosure coming from finding this out was kinda exciting to me if I remember.. but that was sooo long ago. I guess what I'm saying here is I would be delighted beyond words to just get to the core of what this is about. That would be enough for me and all I hope at this point for.

I'm very curious about ufo's, ufology etc and think about Jacque Vallee's theories as the more plausible, I think about ETH too, but neither in context with the drones.

I guess I've thought these days if the answer was closer to what Isaac says and ETH, I might dispair... The saga would never end, it would throw us down a bigger rabbit hole and it's a lot more work.. tongue

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and I agree often with your concepts. I really have no major difference of opinion with you. Just admiration a lot of the time. kiss

edit to add: You posted a quote from Bertrand Russell a few days ago. I was touting your virtues and that quote in a chat with someone even... so I guess that is why I used ego and beliefs and even stated where my ego and belief was in this (wheels within wheels theory).. No more than that.. and please no offense for anything...

If some have strong beliefs that there are elements of truth in the drone saga, and they investigate to substanciate this we are further along either way.. And since we have lots of evidence that they are hoaxed but we don't really know who and why yet.. there are still a lot of reasons some people may want to cherry pick to keep their favorite theories going until proven differently.
I gave up caring... basically so I could think of every possibily without favoritism. That's all I can tell you.

My bad Tomi I may have been a tad (ahem grin) heavy-handed with my reply which wasn't my intention and there’s certainly no apology necessary and no offence taken (ever!! wink)

Don’t get me wrong I believe there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever that any facet of the Drone debacle is true, right down to the multiple witnesses AND their names. I just found it hard to accept (and still do kiss) that it wouldn’t please you to find out that the Drones in all of their steam-punk glory were representative of an advanced technology and manufactured by off-world hands (or tentacles, or fins, or telekinesis , or artificial intelligence etc. etc. laugh)!!

As an aside & regarding Vallee then I thought you may find the following particularly relevant, even though if you apply it to the Drones then it’s not the context of deception (or the phenomena) to which he was referring (unless of course the aliens made them do it!! cheesy)

"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways,
forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception."

Dr. Jacques Vallee (Messengers of Deception)




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« Reply #711 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 1:05pm »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:24pm, Gort wrote:
I stopped posting their a while ago. However it was interesting to shuffle through the various posts. It doesn't surprise me that Clifford shut it down. They turned on the one good moderator they had from Northern California. He quit the Mufon board and deleted all his posts and in my opinion provided the best experience and information on whole subject. The board and its relation to Mufon was tenuous even when Carrion started it. When Carrion resigned from Mufon he remained as the board administrator. After an argumentative session within his own board over Roswell he picked up his marbles and went home and apparently relinquished the board to Mufon. I think Mufon took the opportunity to dump the board which in my opinion had as much credibility as the DRT but up until this point it wasn't actually "their" board although it had Mufon on it. It was actually somewhat of a rogue board with mostly DRT type believers running it. And I would suspect probably more of an embarrassment to Mufon then an enhancement.

I was telling another former poster some of the more memorable posts from that board which out of good taste I won't repeat here but they were unbelievable.

It's my understanding at this point that these (handful of) posters are starting their own bulletin board while Mufon would limit its new board to members only. And that's probably the best situation for all involved.

Hi Gort,

From what I can gather after Carrion -as you say- ‘took his marbles home’ (for fear of losing them I suspect grin) he then relinquished control to an administrator (Starchild) who in turn handed the forum ownership over to the MUFON board of directors.

I think the removal also had a lot to do with the internal politics which inevitably transformed into public in-fighting (forgive the oxymoron grin) when they were discussed on the open forum.

I know what you mean though and mostly agree with you about what the environment was becoming (or became), however there were still some intelligent and particularly lucid members who posted there regularly. I just think it was a bit crappy that even the mods and admin weren’t informed of their intentions prior to them asking Proboards to nuke it.

And I also agree that an open & public forum for the majority and a closed ‘heavily moderated’ forum for the Mufon membership is undoubtedly the best way to move forward for all involved.


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« Reply #712 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 1:14pm »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 12:52pm, DrDil wrote:
I just found it hard to accept (and still do kiss) that it wouldn’t please you to find out that the Drones in all of their steam-punk glory were representative of an advanced technology and manufactured by off-world hands (or tentacles, or fins, or telekinesis , or artificial intelligence etc. etc. laugh)!!



There is a reason we are all here, believers and skeptics and debunkers, lurkers etc.. I haven't a clue what that is. Could it be that the drone design has the likeness of a compass? What is it about the things that make this saga so fascinating is part of the fascination.

But would I like to have any of his be real even in another dimension? I find that concept almost as unfavorable as my soul being stuck on one with 999 other souls for eons.. doesn't tickle my happiness button.. nope.. nadda bit.

But still something is going on. If we are to take any of the words of Phillip Corso or others.. there is also the Skinwalker Ranch, other research, something is going on.. and was the drones used in some way or do they factor in at all in a completely different way than we are led to believe by Isaac? Something might be mysterious and worthy of finding out, if Corso and others including the woman I know here in the UK are honest. I know my client here is, she was just sharing with me what she experienced growing up in Palo Alto..
So... I dunno.... tongue nuthing except what I know which isn't much rolleyes

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« Reply #713 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 1:26pm »

Hi again Tomi,

Obviously the words of the lady you know will have to be taken at your discretion, but honestly I personally wouldn't (and so don’t) attach any importance whatsoever to the words & claims of Corso or to many others of a similar ilk.


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« Reply #714 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 1:37pm »

on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:26pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again Tomi,

Obviously the words of the lady you know will have to be taken at your discretion, but honestly I personally wouldn't (and so don’t) attach any importance whatsoever to the words & claims of Corso or to many others of a similar ilk.


Cheers.


Ok, thanks that is good to know. Would be good to know if any of those reports was worth putting confidence in. (Except for those we know). Ben Rich conflicts with Corso but basically holds to back engineered technology.
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« Reply #715 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 3:19pm »

I only put my trust in what I know and to some here that would be very little. This is fine, because I also learn from others here and at other sites. Something is going on and the involvement of the drones is no more important than the latest attempt to start a new UFO episode with the Chinese report. Vallees ideas seem very close and the wonderful Charles Fort commented that in his opinion we were owned by something. This and the art of the unbelievable keeps me interested. I can promise any sterile human truth will be wrong and boring in the utmost, but if that is your poison...........
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« Reply #716 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 3:31pm »

Figures…..


"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..."

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« Reply #717 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 3:43pm »

Exactly.
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« Reply #718 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 4:12pm »

Explain to me then please rolleyes

meanwhile.. doing my own research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
ok... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keel

Well, they both seem like very good thinkers.
I think there is something mixed up in all of this too.
Like we could be in or part of a subsystem with some interaction from something.
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« Reply #719 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 4:33pm »

What we experience is not based on any solid truth. It is perceived truth, what our experience says is truth. This is true of all things including what we call science. It is all a human arrogance. We just do not know it all and we do not have the capability to know it all. We watch a show made especially for us to watch and some get more from it than do others. Why is it like this and what is to come of it, I do not know. Many have detected this state of affairs though and Fort and Vallee, while miles apart, were among them.
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