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« Reply #735 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 1:19pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 11:41am, CA519705950 wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/ny071610.html
Just thought I'd throw that in there, even though the commenter meant the military-type (but then some other commenter started a mini-debate about it).


Strange it looks like a flying Mola
Best I could muster, possibly an RC plane or some type of UAV?

Or ET

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« Reply #736 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 2:52pm »

“I just want to apologize to everybody for coming here(OMF) and being so negative but that forum (MUFON) meant a lot to me. I looked forward to posting on it everyday. It was a major part of my life and now it is gone. I had a lot of friends there and now they are gone. I do not have any friends here and so I am gone. I feel like an outcast. Sorry to have bothered y'all.”
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Market corporations ..govts.. hire psychologists for this very reason..they research, understand the primal need people have to belong to something bigger than themselves and help design the end product..to help the target audiences validate their existence for the moment....and its the very basis for branding identification..from Nike sneakers to Bling jewelery..Abnormalities come when the need and value attached is so great to have elements kill for it..the Nike sneaker steal for it..Blings are jewllery which if taken from a gangsters neck is the ultimate Dis..and a sign of disempowerment..Wearing a blue vs Red bandana can be a death sentence..its a challenge to the wearers existence..
Yet despite violent origins, its chic to adopt these things..a sort of identification with power..acceptance and belonging..We incorporate Graffiti designs,,used in territorial disputes..gangs....on pocket books and computers
Alienware is a great example of cult branding..the need for the all powerful lap top..the us vs them..the lap to buy..the one not to buy..the church to go to..the church not to go to..making choices..

So young people whos minds are not made up ..the most vulnerable and lost about anything..make the greatest markets to sell to or manipulate..They need more bodies like a great ponzi scheme..
The Romans had a staff symbol they carried in war and as a symbol of power..Subjects of the outer realms knew if an emissary came with it It was the same as if Ceasar was there...It meant war unless they complied with demands or of the emissary..and people generally complied..
To say Chicken and fox is just saying eat or be eaten..
Is too simplistic..to say a ticket to do the eating...then nature did and took care of ..the need to belong..as their is strength in numbers..whether its a gang..or an patrol or the choir in a church..why we have sayings ..for the greater good of the many.

This continual somebody is pulling the strings..is often used as an explanation for failure..or rationalization..
He died young..because he was to good and God called him home..or lets cover bases..he was bad..and God was not happy..and called him home..or the devil made me do it..Miguel Unamuno did a book about an existentialist priest in South America..tending to the natives in the Amazon..Didn;t believe himself..but had to administer what he did..like methadone..
On one hand we want that invisible hand taking care of use..to allay fears..and security..which a group can provide
and go straight into denial or a real sense of despair..when it doesn't.



But why are we so deep..as we already understand , ..these things..perhaps because most of us here are older.have seen many of the old hoaxes..pre internet..the old movies and books..no longer seen or know about..and drew on that base...and if we look at UFC..most of the people I read share personal experiences ..even stark contrasts.with decorum .appears to be an older seasoned.crowd...a very noticeable balance..a marked tolerance..Old age is not a guarantee to protect us from all hoaxes ..but for most of us a damned good hedge...rather than push it like DRT and the disclosure people like a political agenda.. and the Old empire Icons..LMH, Noory, Art Bell..etc..sprinkling it on the waters..us like food in a fishtank.Too much will spoil the water..just enough to keep the fish happy..
and when somewhere it was reported about the lack if not diminishing numbers of young people at ufo conferences.well..if thats not handwriting on the wall... they must be going elsewhere..reaching and impelled by nature to break out the mold..be different..
Without the young indians to do the believing hunting and procreating..capturing new women and baby bucks..there is no village...of anything..

The Drone is indeed..a lonely God..left with a small audience of believers still in denial..how it all went wrong..
their minds unable to adjust..Their bling and power was taken. forced to look for a new bandana to wear..a reason d'etre..a place to belong..numbers (hahahaha no pun intended) to feel secure with..joining subscribers to reason just doesnt cut it..leaves too much to critical thinking..thinking period...stuff like the drone doesn't grow on common sense trees. Taking .personal responsibility to making choices is a tad too much ..
Just that something is their with others therere to say it there..and not ask where it came from is all they need..for validation and a feeling of self worth..
The exposure of the drones..for what it was..a hoax..made their support structure..collapse..The stage collapsed..
Explaining this to them..compassionate as we are in beliefs and origins and the big picture in this industry..a sort of post trauma counseling..is a long and tediious process.. many incurable..as they chase the next event foisted on them like chaff in the wind..whether done a lone prankster or organized group..
Arguing with us..is their only validation of being and self worth in this debacle..

I would argue..the more we talk to such people.once these facts were in... the dumber we get ..Like talking to an addict that won't admit they have a problem


Lev ..You will enjoy the all the props ..Tesla coils used to kill Magik towards the end of movie..Walt Disney productions is superb..

But still its arguable that given your scope of knowledge and role in hoaxing and trying to keep this alive..even after the AL..still makes you, imho.arguably a talented..but dirty old man.
























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« Reply #737 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 3:41pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 2:52pm, Sysconfig wrote:
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This continual somebody is pulling the strings..is often used as an explanation for failure..or rationalization..
He died young..because he was to good and God called him home..or lets cover bases..he was bad..and God was not happy..and called him home..or the devil made me do it..Miguel Unamuno did a book about an existentialist priest in South America..tending to the natives in the Amazon..Didn;t believe himself..but had to administer what he did..like methadone..
On one hand we want that invisible hand taking care of use..to allay fears..and security..which a group can provide
and go straight into denial or a real sense of despair..when it doesn't.

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Hi Sys,

I just wanted to say when I initially referred to “seeing the strings” I wasn’t attributing these to a person but rather a metaphorical control-system with the strings that I said are glimpsed are the strings that control the system.

And the glimpse is a realisation rather than a rationalisation.

Or as Tomi might say ‘the big picture’ although I prefer to think of it as a ‘moment of clarity.’ wink


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« Reply #738 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:16pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:19pm, Gort wrote:
Strange it looks like a flying Mola
Best I could muster, possibly an RC plane or some type of UAV?

Or ET

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http://s973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/RaNebula/system/?action=view=BigBird2.mp4


Wow, can't say I've ever seen a mola before. That thing looks funny and scary all at the same time! "Ocean Sunfish"... I bet my 8-year old brother would know everything about it. That kid has a brain like a sponge and he loves sea life... the stuff he says goes way over my head.
Here's a link to the article on MUFON. And here's a link to the original video. The original vid is 1 minute 16 seconds long and I'm still watching through it so no comments just yet wink.
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« Reply #739 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:23pm »

Hi Dr..Thanx..By the way..I never mentioned how much I like Zetar and CreoLady..lol..is the latter single? hahaha joke..so many good people..I f I were to travel anywhere to parts unknown alien places..I would certainly bring them..lol..especially Sidd and My friends from the Arc..
Bringing Lev would be like bringing that self serving evil guy in Lost in Space...he relished his role...I'll attach a picture of him after.But maybe some people like being like that irrespective of the beatings they get..

Say Lars Hanson who debunked Lear( the latter is housed in OM, after being booted from ATS_ is back at RU.
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« Reply #740 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:34pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 3:41pm, DrDil wrote:
I just wanted to say when I initially referred to “seeing the strings” I wasn’t attributing these to a person but rather a metaphorical control-system with the strings that I said are glimpsed are the strings that control the system.

And the glimpse is a realisation rather than a rationalisation.



So I know I'm on the right track about what you are talking about would you pull out one example?
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« Reply #741 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:37pm »

Okay so, I started taking random snapshots of the thing in that video, and I took one that really intrigued me. I no longer think balloon.

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Rather than the two things 'pointing out' of the circular bit of the object, similar to ears on a balloon or whatever, they look attached... fixed... to the sides, like wings or something.
Hard to explain, but more like this:

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...rather than this:

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« Reply #742 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:41pm »

I always did like Dr. Smith in the original B&W episodes of Lost in Space. As to strings, etc. metaphors or as Bela Lugosi said in an Ed wood film PULL DA STRING, PULL DA STRING. I really like the Great Green Dragon dialog he gives. It can all be found on UTube.
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« Reply #743 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 4:58pm »

Some pull them, some see them and some just wonder what everyone else is talking about....... like me, could somebody please just be specific... rolleyes thanks tongue

I'm guessing you are talking about the media, or some parts of it?
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« Reply #744 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 5:02pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:34pm, tomi01uk wrote:
So I know I'm on the right track about what you are talking about would you pull out one example?

It was really a throwaway comment and it’s hard to break it down into any kind of rational example.

But from personal experience I would say I experienced it upon realising what I now think is an undeniable reality and it’s that the ETH, human error and all the government-based conspiracy theories in the world combined *still* can’t suitably explain some of the more diverse aspects of the broader UFO phenomenon.

I obviously wasn’t the only one to think this because if we backtrack once again to Keel & Vallee then it was this genuine ‘out of the box’ thinking which elevated them above the majority of their peers. Pelicanist extraordinaire John Rimmer verbalises this better than I ever could (the Clark he refers to is Jerome Clark) the following is from Magonia (Jan 2nd 1999):

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In fact it would be hard to find a UFO magazine in the fifties and sixties which did not from time to time waste a great deal of paper in vague, speculative rambling articles – what Hilary Evans memorably describes as ‘deserts of arid speculation’ – about life and the universe. The magazines that didn’t, presumably Clark’s data correlators, were simply listings of cases; mostly uninvestigated reports from newspapers. These were, and are still, very useful in their way, but hardly represent the ‘hard work and shrewd analysis’ which Clark claims as a hallmark of the scientific ‘ufologists’.

This cosy sub-division of the subject came under threat in the seventies with the rise of two of Clark’s principal betes-noir, John Keel and Jacques Vallee. I agree that Keel was responsible for introducing a new element of anti-scientific irrationalism into the field of ufology, and in Magonia’s ‘25 Years Ago’ columns you will have read how Alan Sharp regularly locked horns with Keel over his lack of scientific credibility. In Keel’s favour it must be said that his investigations (and when all is said he probably did more first-hand investigation than most so-called scientific ‘ufologists’) opened out the field of ufology, and yes, Clark is right, helped undermine the complacent acceptance of the ETH amongst most ufologists.

Vallee is a scientist, and his first two books are still held up as examples of the kind of ‘correlative’ work that Clark assumes was the standard for ufologists at the time. The fact that they are still worth reading simply serves to demonstrate how little of that type of work was actually going on then. With Passport to Magonia Vallee moved into the realm of ’sixties counterculture’, in Clark’s view. I suspect that most of Vallee’s interest in ufology was fulfilled by the time he published Invisible College in the late seventies, and his later books are largely re-hashes or diaries of his more productive period.

The real problem for Clark’s thesis with both these writers is that they showed that the UFO phenomenon was not containable in a simple ETH pigeonhole. The problem was one of perception: the perception of what constituted a UFO report.




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« Reply #745 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 5:04pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 4:37pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Okay so, I started taking random snapshots of the thing in that video, and I took one that really intrigued me. I no longer think balloon.

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Rather than the two things 'pointing out' of the circular bit of the object, similar to ears on a balloon or whatever, they look attached... fixed... to the sides, like wings or something.
Hard to explain, but more like this:

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...rather than this:

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They did a great job getting what video they could but even at that there is only so much video information to work with. Its strange, almost like a motorized balloon?

And speaking of hoaxters this might be interesting, and theres mention of a short film?

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2010/07/mirage-men-by-mark-pilkington-covers-ufo-manipulations/
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« Reply #746 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 5:10pm »

I am not referring to string theory, but to the seemingly random events of history that eventually set a system in motion. At least this is one of my meanings. To me there appears to be orchestration in these random events that would negate us calling them random. In no way does this relieve the self from using the tools it has to determine its own course, but I believe strong forces work around it. Call them what you want. Have belief in them or no belief in them, it is my opinion that they, whatever they are, are not affected by our beliefs on any level.
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« Reply #747 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 5:46pm »

on Jul 18th, 2010, 5:10pm, Icarus99 wrote:
I am not referring to string theory, but to the seemingly random events of history that eventually set a system in motion. At least this is one of my meanings. To me there appears to be orchestration in these random events that would negate us calling them random. In no way does this relieve the self from using the tools it has to determine its own course, but I believe strong forces work around it. Call them what you want. Have belief in them or no belief in them, it is my opinion that they, whatever they are, are not affected by our beliefs on any level.


The iChing etc. is an example of that in action according to Jung, I suppose.
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« Reply #748 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 6:41pm »

on Jul 16th, 2010, 6:44pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Hi Lev,

Is this a new version of your Thumper Drone I was asking about?

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Sorry to change the subject somewhat, but I was a-googling a short while ago and the kindly folks at Google, Inc. interrupted my search with one of their new-fangled 'Google Labs' applets (oddly named "Google Image Swirl") without my consent, natch.

I typed in 'stargate' just for chuckles and got this interesting flash-based result, similar to what Lev put into his updated thumper drone image:

http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=stargate#1200

So then I typed in 'drone' and, well, you can try it for yourself.

I dunno, this tool might be useful in searching for ufo images and related stuff...
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« Reply #749 on: Jul 18th, 2010, 6:45pm »

Yes, the iChing, a particle accelerator, a dream, syncronicity, all may be crude viewers of what I refer to. Maybe we have a safety valve built in to keep us safe from the greatly sought ultimate and possibly crushing truth. Still I think one should pursue it, but with the trepidation of finding it.
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