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« Reply #1110 on: Apr 18th, 2008, 4:52pm »

i found this site and thought it might be helpful.

it sounds like alien voices


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« Reply #1111 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 08:02am »

on Apr 17th, 2008, 1:44pm, researchermike wrote:
i have seen 4 UFO's in just a few years. i do think they are aliens but i could be wrong. i have been researching the UFO phenomenon for 7 years. after these many years of research i am almost positive that they are aliens. all of the UFO's i have seen were triangles. i am not sure about the saucer shaped craft. i do know the US government made a functioning saucer in the 50's called "silver bug" so it is entirely possible that people are seeing government saucers 1/2 the time they see a round craft.


You know it's funny because I too have done considerable research into Flying Saucers over the years and what the evidence that I have found tells me is that without a shadow of a doubt these machines are made by human hands, not Alien. I cannot speak about any other shaped craft because I simply do not know, however it does not take too much common-sense to make the assumption that the know how employed in one type of machine has been used in another. Perhaps then what has happened here is that we as people sub-conciously believe in something and then we try to find evidence to prove that belief. In my case it was to prove that these objects are not alien and in ResearchMike's case it was to prove that these objects indeed are alien. As long as the evidence is correct who is to say which is right and which is wrong? I guess the answer would be then that we are BOTH right... Or perhaps we are both wrong?
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« Reply #1112 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 08:53am »

No doubt we have the technology to build UFO but there original source has to be ET as they have been around thousands of years especially the disc shaped craft, I think this video proves without doubt this point
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ2xve0zzI
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« Reply #1113 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 12:42pm »

I think that after a while you can spot some of the fakes but what I find confusing is people who are 'proven to be fakes who are then later seem to have some credibility eg;Billy Meier.I think the rule of thumb is never take things on face value.
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« Reply #1114 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 7:32pm »

on Apr 19th, 2008, 08:53am, hyundisonata wrote:
No doubt we have the technology to build UFO but there original source has to be ET as they have been around thousands of years especially the disc shaped craft, I think this video proves without doubt this point
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ2xve0zzI


Hyundisonata you may well be correct in your understanding of the distant past. I can only tell you about our time. That is that it is my absolute belief that Flying Saucers are built by human hands. They are NOT of an Alien origin. At least this is what my research tells me. I would also like to add that the original designer of the Flying Saucer had no contact with ET's or Alien's. At least none of his notes or written text say that he did. Nor was he influenced by historic UFO encounters. However he did know of the history of Atlantis, but I do not think this had any influence on his discoveries.
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« Reply #1115 on: Apr 25th, 2008, 6:19pm »

All over the net, seems like every decent sighting lately has to have some third party opinion attached (eg: local AFB or local yahoo police dept) and lately that opinion is spewing forth "military flares"

Why does the military have such an active flare program?
Lets see......The recent Arizona sighting has been twisted around so that now it was...yep, Flares!

The guy and his wife in New Jersey with the russian border patrol binoculars with range finder who spotted the craft over the sea....you guessed it, Flares!

Oh, and the incident which is part of the recent Indiana flap where people were calling in from all over reporting a very large craft .....pesky flares again.

Man thats alot of flares, must be some new policy.

It seems our country is divided yet again into two camps, the liars and then the rest of the public who (hopefully) is becoming increasingly aware of the insulting lies.

Wonder whats going on behind closed doors of the PTB? Do you think they have the feeling that they're loosing control of the situation. They simply must. Elaborate sightings popping up everyday, one after another nationwide. Must be like playing whack-a-mole trying to quelch all of them.

The investigative community might stop asking second opinions of liars in the military and their puppet counterparts in the press and just start spreading the word of what we all know is really going down. Calling the local base or police station and asking if they know about the lights in the sky is a waste of time and gives them an opportunity to plant the seed of disinformation.

Just be truthful to yourself and your family and friends.
It doesn't take an idiot to realize that something much bigger than "flares" is going on.
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« Reply #1116 on: Apr 26th, 2008, 09:35am »

Hey GeeQ,
Would you share your sources on this? I am sure we would all like to know how these craft could be built, powered and piloted before the advent of jets. Not to mention the fact that he had fleets of them in total secrecy. Of course sightings have been around for 1000's of years but a lot of the first 'modern' sightings were orbs rather than discs. huh

I agree AgentM,
People seem to accept these 'official' explanations like it's the 1950's all over again. Even back then, a poll taken, showed that 90% of the public believed in the existence of UFOs, so, I guess that last statement is not true. I should have said the MEDIA accepts... lipsrsealed
We know that most of the public knows better but disinfo still runs rampant. With all of these recent sightings, it seems that the 'official' explanations are getting harder and harder for the public to swallow. May be that the disinfo is doing more good than harm as anyone with 1/2 brain can see just how ludicrous they are.

Hi Candyfloss,
Mr. Meier is certainly a good example of the disinfo campaign in full swing. grin
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« Reply #1117 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 07:20am »

Hi Thoth,

In answer to your question..

How is it that we are able to create such craft before the advent of Jets?
Well this is a very difficult question to answer without giving you the full story which would take one huge post from me. Instead let me point anybody whom is interested in a book called "The Hunt For Zero Point" by Nick Cook. Reading this book will definitely answer your question to a point. I guess the short answer would be that many people see evolution as a path of time, where by you start at the beginning with sticks and stones and you eventually get to a point where you can create Jets and rockets to the moon. This evolution is based on a certain way of thinking. However if we can adjust our way of thinking we will find that there are many short cuts. If you know where to look you will find more than you can possibly imagine... To give you idea of what I am talking about lets start by looking at Nature, for she holds all the cards.

We know that Nature and therefore everything in the universe is made up of opposing processes. That is to say that for every process that exists in Nature there is a complete opposite or opposing process. A few basic examples off the top of my head include:
Positve - Negative
Male - Female
Night - Day
Sweet - Sour
Good - Bad
Black - White
Hot - Cold
Fire - Water

Now our civilisation to this very day is dominated by one particular process with which we use to create energy and therefore motion. This process is used everywhere from our cars to our power stations to our planes and to our rockets. We know this process as Explosion. Now the question is what is the opposing process to Explosion?...

Surely there must be one for we know that Nature has decided that for every force or process that exists there must be a complete opposite. For those that have not yet guessed the answer is "Implosion". The question you must first ask yourself is why none of us were ever taught about Implosion at school? For I can almost guarantee you would of been taught about the process of Explosion at least to some degree. Then the 2nd question I am sure you will ask if you do not already know is what is Implosion? This question is actually very easy to answer because all you have to do is take what you know about Explosion and reverse it! Try it! It's Easy! Here let me kick things off for you..

Explosion - Implosion
Noise - Silence
destructive - creative
Centrifugal - Centripetal
.. And so on

What does all this have to do with Flying Saucers? Here you have evidence of a short cut. Nature uses the process of Implosion to create energy and therefore motion. We use the the process of Explosion to do the same thing. Implosion is a hitherto unknown process that modern science does not acknowledge. Why?
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« Reply #1118 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 10:00am »

I'm not sure if explosion and implosion are really opposite. An implosion has all the noise and destructive force, it's just contained and uses up the available oxygen. I don't know if there is an opposite to explosion, maybe a black hole which draws energy in. I guess I am as lost as to how this relates to ufos unless you are saying that they are somehow powered by some kind of piston engine that works by implosion instead of explosionhuh
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« Reply #1119 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 1:08pm »

I agree with agentM. I do not have the time or patience to argue with disclaimers or unbelievers. The evidence speaks for itself. The easiest explanation for the governments blatant moronic statements is that the government cannot understand the higher technology involved and all attempts that they have made to shoot down UFOs with their latest Star Wars type missiles have failed. Also, they cannot explain how two Mars probes became "lost". In addition, it is very frightening to the government and the military that the UFOs have shutdown individually 12 missiles in a silo and and reactivated them individually. According to the manufacturer Sylvania, this is impossible. So, as you see I do not give much credence or belief or even interest in the government's explanation of the UFO phenomenon.


What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #1120 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 2:17pm »

on Apr 27th, 2008, 10:00am, Thoth wrote:
I'm not sure if explosion and implosion are really opposite. An implosion has all the noise and destructive force, it's just contained and uses up the available oxygen. I don't know if there is an opposite to explosion, maybe a black hole which draws energy in. I guess I am as lost as to how this relates to ufos unless you are saying that they are somehow powered by some kind of piston engine that works by implosion instead of explosionhuh


Nature sets the rules not you or I. As I said it is clear from even the most basic of observations of our world around us that there is alway's an opposing process. And that process will indeed be the opposite to the initial process discovered. So debating what Implosion is or whether it even exists is pointless, unless you do not feel that the Universe is made up of opposing forces.
Actually when you mention a Black Hole you are alot closer to understanding how Implosion works than you realise. You see the process of Implosion is created in Nature whenever a vortex is created, infact the vortex or swirl shape is the key to understanding this process. A Black Hole is a vortex and therefore generates an Implosion process. Our Galaxy is a vortex and again therefore generates an Implosion process. As I said this is how Nature creates energy and therefore motion.

Now then for a minute lets just say that you wanted to create a flying machine that used this Implosion process to create energy and propulsion just like Nature does, what shape so you think would be best for generating a vortex? It just so happens that if you wanted to create a craft that used Implosion the best possible shape to use is the flying disc or saucer shape, because we need to create a vortex which requires us to create spin. I guess the best possible example I could give is our planet. It too creates Implosion by using it's spin to create a vortex in and around itself, that's how it is able to move. Well think of a Flying Saucer as a mini planet- in that it is using the same processes to create energy and motion. And just like our planet it creates it's own gravity field. That's how a pilot of a flying saucer is able to survive such fantastic maneuvers that the saucer makes. Remember our planet is supposed to be travelling at around 85,000mph but we don't even notice it!

Anyway Thoth if you are still interested or indeed if anybody else reading this is still interested then just do some searching around on the net. The man whom discovered Implosion is called Viktor Shauberger. Just do a search with his name, you should find plenty more info around.
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« Reply #1121 on: May 2nd, 2008, 10:41am »

I think we are aliens. wink
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« Reply #1122 on: May 3rd, 2008, 2:38pm »

I'm so happy that we get the most intelligent and controversial replies and postings. Rather than get involved in a quagmire of scientific ignorance, why don't we try to find out why these things exist and what is their function?

What is the purpose of a black hole? We have a black hole in our galaxy. Why hasn't it sucked up everything in our galaxy? What is the positive purpose of a supernova?
I believe that everything in existence was created to serve a purpose and that creation is monitored and protected by higher intelligence beings.

What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #1123 on: May 4th, 2008, 07:51am »

Hi Irwyn,

Well my own opinion is that a Black Hole can be thought of as the engine room of our galaxy. It is what drives it, gives it form and motion, and was quite possibly the thing that initiated it's creation. I actually believe that the term 'Black Hole' might be incorrect, for I personally feel that it is not a hole at all. It is infact a vortex in space, and just as a Tornado is not a hole that leads to somewhere I also believe that a Black Hole is not actually a hole either. I prefer to use the term 'Galactic Torid' when describing such a thing. By the way I have never personally heard of a Black Hole existing in our solar system, but if one does indeed exist then I can only guess that it's function and purpose is similar to that of the one in the middle of our galaxy.

Also in answer to your question concerning why we do not all get sucked into the Black Hole? Again this is simply my opinion but when a vortex exists you have 2 types of forces which are produced. 1 is centrifugal force (push), and the other is centripetel (pull, or suctional). When these 2 forces meet they have the effect of canceling each other out, and what you are left with is an area of space which is neutral in force, in that there is neither push nor pull. Of course I totally accept the idea that there are more than likely other forces being produced which we yet have no idea about.
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« Reply #1124 on: May 4th, 2008, 08:47am »

My error, the black hole is located in our galaxy and not in our solar system. Sorry about that. Irwyn
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