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« Reply #1290 on: Oct 3rd, 2009, 10:33am »

hello everyone ! i belive in aliens since i was a kid. nice to meet you all !
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« Reply #1291 on: Nov 15th, 2009, 12:34pm »

Hi everybody.
I translated some stuff from a small Eastern-Europe country called Estonia
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« Reply #1292 on: Nov 16th, 2009, 9:07pm »

Thanks for the info and link!
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« Reply #1293 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 3:19pm »

Anybody from this forum saw the UFO,Aliens?
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« Reply #1294 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 3:26pm »

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on Nov 23rd, 2009, 3:19pm, SkywatcherSerbia wrote:
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Years ago probably at least 15 or so me and my friend Scott his wife and me and my girlfriend were down a place called Barre Falls Dam in Hubbardston Ma. You are not aloud to be in there after dark it is a old prison camp as well now a Army corps of engineering and state park.We used to go down there at night get off the main dirt road that ran threw the middle of it just in case cops did come down we did not want to get arrested or a fine or just be bothered. We never saw any cops going threw the road at that time was not very good for a cop car. While parked off up on this dirt road up to a locked gate we were watching shooting stars and lights that slowly moved threw the sky.Probably satellites who knows but exciting to watch.At one point there was a bright white light just over the trees on our right.Not far from the tree top line.
I said look over there.We thought it might be a very low flying plane . But the closer it came in our direction there was no sound at all.You could not tell if it was a ship or not it was to bright. The direction it was going I said to Scott it is them.We in the past had encounters before of lights or sounds in the middle of the woods at night which sounded like childrens tone but speaking a language we could not understand and just being out of range to see them.So he and the others who also have been with me seeing things that are not your typical flashing planes lights or something that is what most think is normal.
I said Scott if I run as fast as I can down this dirt road my timing will probably put me right under that thing.He said I would not do it you do not know if there friendly there are probably bad aliens you know.I said cannot be then why would they come down here tonight for us to see them.I said I am going for it.I was running as fast as I could down the road as I got closer I heard Scott yell in the distance stop you might not come back.I ran maybe another 50 feet I stopped.
I started thinking what would happen to my mom if I did not come back being in year late 70s and how would Scott explain what happened to me if I do not come back. I just froze there thinking of all this stuff. I then just watched the bright light only about another 1/4 mile go over the trees.It was big at least the light was about the size of a small cabin. And gone it was.
If I knew then what I feel now I would keep running toward that ball of light.But time makes us think differently and now I am not as apprehensive as then.
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« Reply #1296 on: Dec 17th, 2009, 11:08am »

Anybody know anything about the Galactic Federation of Light? Interesting.
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The conclusion, therefore, is that while there is nothing inconceivable about visits to Earth by extraterrestrial civilizations in the past, even the near past, there is no acceptable evidence that it has happened, and the evidence deduced for the purpose by various enthusiasts is, as far as we can tell, utterly worthless.57

This is no place for an exhaustive review of UFO cases, but a brief summary of the facts is instructive. There is very little uniformity. UFOS are shaped like discs, spheres, cylinders, cigars, dumbbells, ovals, eggs, diamonds, cones, parachutes, tops, mushrooms, and hamburgers; all of these shapes occur singly or in groups. They range in size from a few inches to more than a mile in length, and travel fast or slow, with or without undulation, wobbles, zigzags, or sudden changes of direction. They are smooth, hairy, knobby, shiny, dull, every color of the rainbow, and some equipped with optional landing gear, wheels, tripods, doors, and windows. They are completely silent or else they hum whoosh, hiss, flutter, whine, whistle, beep, pulse, buzz, vibrate, bang, blast, roar, or explode thunderously. They stop internal combustion engines, interfere with radio and television transmissions, shock, burn, and paralyze people, and cause them to lose consciousness; or not as the case may be. In short, they are all things to all people. Since 1946 there seems to have been acceleration in both interest and in manifestations.58

The non?uniformity of UFOs is in complete opposition to the necessary mass production characteristics of any civilization with a technology advanced enough to visit us. Notice also the detrimental effects and the individuality of perception of these objects by the observers. Finally, notice the acceleration in manifestations since 1946 ? the reason for this will be explained presently.

We conclude that our considerations must, of necessity, start with the uncomfortable realization that UFOs have first no physically understandable means of getting here.61

The observed characteristics of the occupants of UF0s violate the conclusions of the process of evolution in accordance to natural laws as applied as a necessary explanation for their (the occupants) existence. Also, it is considered impossible by the laws of physics for UFOs to be from outside our solar system, and all known facts of our solar system stand in total opposition to an extraterrestrial origin from somewhere within our solar system.

More seriously, however, there is a significant void in Nicap's file of radar cases, despite the eighty?three sightings it lists. There is not a single sighting by the radars that should be the most likely to spot UFOs, if they really were extraterrestrial spacecraft. These are the radars especially designed to keep a watch on space and to detect even tiny objects. They form a network known as the Space Detection and Tracking System (Spadat), operated by the North American Air Defense Command (Norad). Construction of Spadats was begun shortly after the Russians launched Sputnik 1, to keep a continuous count on every object in space in the vicinity of the earth, especially foreign satellites and spacecraft....
This electronic fence is so sensitive that it has detected objects its small as a six?inch?long metal strap which went into orbit during the launch of an early U.S. satellite....
This raises the important question: Why are UFOs never spotted in space by the radar network designed to monitor the presence of every spacecraft in the vicinity of the earth, but are detected only by ground and airborne radars that can see targets within the earth's atmosphere? 64


Why? Because UFOs are not extraterrestrial in origin!

Most UAOs (Unidentilied Aquatic Objects) and UFOs could never possibly have originated on or near our own planet....
This expression actually means that (in a case such as this) the phenomenon is "natural" to this earth.... On the other hand, the suggestion that they might be indigenous to our upper atmosphere, or to the immediate vicinity of the earth in inner?space? ... ?is of a much higher order of probability.65

So the most interesting and productive of recent analyses all seem to be following, and adding to, Jung's conjectures that the phenomenon has a psychic origin. 69



Characters Remaining: Notify of replies: Some of' the observed actions of UFOs violate the laws of physics- primarily the laws of inertia. For instance, it is impossible for a physical object to be going 20,000 miles per hour and make a 90?degree turn, or completely reverse course instantly, as some UFOs have been observed to do. But it would be entirely possible if UFOs were the manifestations of spiritual beings? the fallen angels.

We have drawn our extraterrestrial humanoid data from two sources: contemporary UFO sightings and historical events as described in tile Bible. Now if both sources of these similar data are indeed telling us the truth, it is virtually certain that they are, in fact, talking about the same, or closely related, phenomena ? as we have earlier implied.70

The above footnote is from a book written by an author who is not (at least according to the content of his book) a Christian and therefore does not have "an ax to grind, so to speak, in making this statement. His observation is entirely an objective evaluation.

One such potentially telling effect sometimes reported is a dissolving, or disappearing, of the observed object virtually into thin air ? a kind of switching off," as it were. Sometimes, the object may instantaneously reappear again later? " switch back on"?and then still later, once again disappear. 71


... angels of Satan, who, as we have before shown, are not unclothed spirits, but possess spiritual bodies which they can render visible and tangible at will.72


For the whole aerial surroundings of our planet are densely peopled with a hostile race of beings unutterably superior in wisdom and power to ourselves; having had during a vast number of years every conceivable experience of the weak points of humanity; possessing the incalculable advantage of being themselves invisible, though as spiritual intelligences they are probably able, not merely to judge of us by our words and outward expression of countenance, but even to read the innermost thoughts of out? heart; cooperating with the most perfect and never?failing organization; and lastly, directed by a leader of consummate wisdom and skill, who is assisted by powerful princes, and finds his subjects so numerous, that, if we are to lay any stress on the word "legion" in the memorable narrative of Luke, he is able to spare some six thousand of them to guard one miserable captive (Luke viii. 30) .75

For until the Devil be deposed from the throne of the air, it is likely that he will exercise control, to a great extent at least, over atmospheric phenomena. 76


Footnotes 75 and 76 are taken from a book written over one hundred years ago, long before "UFOs" came on the scene.


(4) Seeing that angels can so materialize to themselves bodies as to eat the food of men (Gen. xviii. 8), to draw Lot by their hands (Gen. xiv. 10, 16), etc., there need be no difficulty in believing them able to perform other bodily functions, if they so wish.
If Matthew xxii. 30 be urged to the contrary, it may be pointed out that our Lord states what is the condition of things "in heaven"; He does not allege that angels cannot violate that order, and act otherwise on earth. Whilst in Jude, verses 6,7, we are plainly told that there have been "angels who kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation"; and it is explained that Sodom and Gomorrah, in going after strange flesh, sinned "like these" angels.
The thoughtful, we say, will consider these facts and scriptures; and will not fail to note that this abhorrent and terrible subject is of practical moment, inasmuch as the Son of God has forewarned us that the days before His appearing again on earth will present a true likeness to the days of Noah and to the state of Sodom in the days of Lot. 77


If we are in the last days, the fallen angels will be more and more active ?? even to the extreme extent of assumption of physical bodies and intercourse with humans. The movies Close Encounters of the?Third Kind and Rosemary's Baby are a reflection of preparation for this.

In addition to all of the preceding evidence, there are documented correlations of unusual statistical aberrations, which are common to people involved in the occult, demonology, parapsychology, and UFO1ogy. Such documentation and further corroborative evidence linking UFOs and fallen angels may be found in an excellent book on the subject, entitled UFOs: What on Earth is Happening?

But there is another correlation definitely linking UFOs to the fallen angels.

It is, however, a startling fact that the present disposal of the regular spiritual powers of the world seems to be entirely in the hands of Satan. This is evident front the Eighty?Second Psalm, as well as from the verse of Isaiah; since in either passage the spiritual rulers are stigmatized without any reserve as rebels against God. 78

... and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I go forth, lo, the Prince of Greece shall come. But I will tell thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me against these, but Michael your prince. (Dan. 10:20?21)

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. (Dan. 12:1 RSV)

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« Reply #1298 on: Feb 27th, 2010, 01:18am »

From the whole region of the vast rebel empire there came forth but one loyal prince of God to aid him in his conflict with the powers of darkness. This faithful archangel was Michael: nor is it difficult to account for his presence in the regions of air. For he is described to Daniel as "your prince," and afterwards as "the great prince which standeth for the children of' thy people" (Dan x. 21; xii. 1). It appears, then, that he is the spiritual ruler of Israel; and so, that when God chose a people upon earth for Himself, He took them out or the jurisdiction (Acts xxvi. 18; Col.1.13) of Satan, and appointed one of His own princes to govern and protect them. Hence with fierce enmity the Prince of Darkness seems to have matched himself against Michael, and to have directed in person his desperate assaults upon the alienated principality. One of his victories is recorded in the Book of Chronicles, where we are told how he “stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel” (1 Chron. xxi. 1). 79


All of the countries in the world are ruled over by fallen angels Under Satan, except one: Israel. Israel alone is ruled by one of the faithful angels, the archangel Michael. If UFOs are the manifestations of' fallen angels, then we should expect a direct correlation of UFO activity with military conflict involving Israel.


Since 1946 there seems to have been acceleration in both interest and in manifestations (of UFOs). 80

` Serious UFO research groups, who tirelessly sift, sort, and systematize reports, will never forget 1973. Autumn of that year staged the biggest UFO flap since bush pilot Ken Arnold captured headlines in 1947 with his sightings of nine "saucer?like things" over Mt. Rainer, Washington. The tornadic effect of 1973's flap was to stun a nation already troubled by Watergate and Middle East crisis. At its peak, October 17…81



As the reader probably knows, the 1973 Middle East crisis was the Arab?Israeli conflict known as the "October War." Most persons even vaguely familiar with UFOs know that 1947 was a banner year. Israel became a nation again on May 14, 1948, following much prior conflict. I did not look for UFO statistics for the time of the other two major Israeli conflicts, 1956 and 1967, but I have no doubt that such statistics will likewise show increased UFO activity.







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« Reply #1299 on: Feb 27th, 2010, 7:47pm »

A typical post from a christian!

More wars and death have been caused in the name of religion and Christianity than any other.

Have you read the bible?
If you have can you explain Moses exodus?
What was the cloud that covered them during the day sheltering them from intense desert heat, and the light that guided them by night? Do a search for UFO's and clouds!

What did Moses go onto the mountain for and what did he go into ? Yes the cloud, so did he go into the UFO?
and did he come out with the Ten commandments? Did Satan write the ten commandments?


When Moses parted the red sea was it he who did this or was it something to do with the cloud/ light that gave him and the Hebrews food for 40 years on the exodus?
Was Moses receiving telepathic messages from god?
Does the modern phenomena of UFO's also relate to telepathy? If so how can you tell Satan from God?

Now the transfiguration of Jesus, when he met Elijah and Moses 100's of years separated these peoples time on this planet, so how could Jesus meet Elijah and Moses? Seeing as what we know now of UFO's and ET experiencers state Angels/Aliens have no perception of time so this helps us understand where Elijah went to, was it a UFO? evidence is starting to point in that direction isn't it!



Shall I go onto Mary and an imaculate conception?
We hear of such things today, they are related to abductees. Some women find themselves pregnant and don't know how.
What was the star that guided the three wise men to the birth of Jesus? Surely it wasn't a UFO

Elijah traveling along the Jordan river worried for his life, did he call out for help from god?
What was the chariots of fire that presented themselves?
Was he swept up by a whirlwind to the chariots?
Funny how a whirlwind is the same thing abductees experience and seeing as a chariot was probably the only thing that could be related to a craft at the time, was a chariot of fire a UFO? If so was he taken by Satan? I don't think so!
Doom and Gloom merchant, relate what you believe in to the modern phenomenon instead of quoting unfounded beliefs relating to your doom and gloom religion.

What is heaven? In the court of king James heaven is translated as sky, not a place that we are sent to for reward.
UFO's are in the Bible. If you believe the bible as a truth read it how it's meant to be read not how you want to perceive it!

Gods descend from the sky/ heaven and always have, even to the Mayan people who received technical information from there god.

Angels are said to convey messages via dreams, this is the same thing contactees/experiencers/abductees quote it the modern era. You will say they are fallen angels, you are wrong an angel is purely an off world being. Even now people experience fantastic things with these beings including healing but they are ridiculed and not believed. They have nothing to do with Satan.
Satan is a Christian belief used to keep followers on the right path,fear is a fantastic tool used by your church.
By the way your church is a fantastic money making organization.
Believe in God but don't pay for the privilege

Could the evil that you quote be in charge of this planet already? Could those that make wars for money and personal gain yes those in charge of our countrys possibley be the evil ones that your keen eye is watching out for?
They are hardly heavenly people who are interested in the good of our planet are they!
Are the UFOs the chariots of good/ God? here to change things for the better?
Have you got your facts right?
Take a look at the world we live in and ask yourself could it be better?
Maybe have another look and evaluate your ideas and beliefs. UFO's are responsible for deactivating Nuclear weapons not throwing them at different countries.

All the best to you, I am sure you will reply to this and in your own misinformed way. I wont argue with you because it is pointless, I have tried to before with your type, your beliefs are written in stone and you are never wrong....or are you?

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on Feb 27th, 2010, 7:47pm, orbit wrote:
A typical post from a christian!

More wars and death have been caused in the name of religion and Christianity than any other.

Have you read the bible?
If you have can you explain Moses exodus?
What was the cloud that covered them during the day sheltering them from intense desert heat, and the light that guided them by night? Do a search for UFO's and clouds!

What did Moses go onto the mountain for and what did he go into ? Yes the cloud, so did he go into the UFO?
and did he come out with the Ten commandments? Did Satan write the ten commandments?


When Moses parted the red sea was it he who did this or was it something to do with the cloud/ light that gave him and the Hebrews food for 40 years on the exodus?
Was Moses receiving telepathic messages from god?
Does the modern phenomena of UFO's also relate to telepathy? If so how can you tell Satan from God?

Now the transfiguration of Jesus, when he met Elijah and Moses 100's of years separated these peoples time on this planet, so how could Jesus meet Elijah and Moses? Seeing as what we know now of UFO's and ET experiencers state Angels/Aliens have no perception of time so this helps us understand where Elijah went to, was it a UFO? evidence is starting to point in that direction isn't it!



Shall I go onto Mary and an imaculate conception?
We hear of such things today, they are related to abductees. Some women find themselves pregnant and don't know how.
What was the star that guided the three wise men to the birth of Jesus? Surely it wasn't a UFO

Elijah traveling along the Jordan river worried for his life, did he call out for help from god?
What was the chariots of fire that presented themselves?
Was he swept up by a whirlwind to the chariots?
Funny how a whirlwind is the same thing abductees experience and seeing as a chariot was probably the only thing that could be related to a craft at the time, was a chariot of fire a UFO? If so was he taken by Satan? I don't think so!
Doom and Gloom merchant, relate what you believe in to the modern phenomenon instead of quoting unfounded beliefs relating to your doom and gloom religion.

What is heaven? In the court of king James heaven is translated as sky, not a place that we are sent to for reward.
UFO's are in the Bible. If you believe the bible as a truth read it how it's meant to be read not how you want to perceive it!

Gods descend from the sky/ heaven and always have, even to the Mayan people who received technical information from there god.

Angels are said to convey messages via dreams, this is the same thing contactees/experiencers/abductees quote it the modern era. You will say they are fallen angels, you are wrong an angel is purely an off world being. Even now people experience fantastic things with these beings including healing but they are ridiculed and not believed. They have nothing to do with Satan.
Satan is a Christian belief used to keep followers on the right path,fear is a fantastic tool used by your church.
By the way your church is a fantastic money making organization.
Believe in God but don't pay for the privilege
Yes Orbit a book written by men .The sinful man.Men who make up stories think they know everything that is in the universe .And of coarse nothing could have happened without Jesus anywhere any how.And of coarse the Jewish people are the chosen ones the ones who will be the only ones going to heaven because the Christians say so.And it makes no difference if the Jewish people do not believe in Jesus its just ok. I have Jewish friends and friends of other faiths .As far as I am concerned there going to heaven regardless of what some Christians say. More judgment by people who claim not too.Must be nice not to even follow your own book.Hows things Orbit.
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« Reply #1301 on: Feb 27th, 2010, 8:30pm »

Howdy Wayne,

I was thinking of you today, coincidence or what!

Haven't seen you in a while.

I am fine my friend, I hope you are well.
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Howdy Wayne,

I was thinking of you today, coincidence or what!

Haven't seen you in a while.

I am fine my friend, I hope you are well.
Yes all is well.It amazes me how narrow minded some people are when it comes to the universe and things other then this little planet.That all things have to be as humans think.I myself am very glad mankind has not traveled and put there stupidity in the universe. People have the right to have there opinion . But when they try to say who is going to some form of hell or not.Then all beats are off.That to me is attack of others destiny and no human has the right to judge that out loud.And people wonder why the beings only come down to the few.Does not surprize me at all.Glad things are good with you.
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Wayne things are great with me!
I had to reply to this doom merchant, he is like so many others who cannot see the phenomena in the book they live there lives by. He see's it as a new phenomena sent by satan. When if he was to read the descriptions of the spiritual things encountered in the book he may realise that these things have been around for a long time.
The same miracles written down all those years ago are the same things that happen in todays phenomena, only his narrow objectivity sees it as the work of Satan.

Yes to few people get to experience this thing for what it is. Those that do experience it are ridiculed instead of believed.
Satan and fallen angels LMAO!!!

If Angels existed back in the day and presented themselves on Earth....why in there narrow minds is it only fallen angels and Satan that present themselves today..... What happened to the good guys?
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on Feb 27th, 2010, 8:51pm, orbit wrote:
Wayne things are great with me!
I had to reply to this doom merchant, he is like so many others who cannot see the phenomena in the book they live there lives by. He see's it as a new phenomena sent by satan. When if he was to read the descriptions of the spiritual things encountered in the book he may realise that these things have been around for a long time.
The same miracles written down all those years ago are the same things that happen in todays phenomena, only his narrow objectivity sees it as the work of Satan.

Yes to few people get to experience this thing for what it is. Those that do experience it are ridiculed instead of believed.
Satan and fallen angels LMAO!!!

If Angels existed back in the day and presented themselves on Earth....why in there narrow minds is it only fallen angels and Satan that present themselves today..... What happened to the good guys?
Yes many people of Christian faith not all.But some would not even know Jesus if he came down here right now.They killed him then and they would kill him again now.They would say it is Satan.Boy next time I do something wrong I will make it easy on myself. I will not even have to take responsibility for what I do.I will just say the devil made me do it.The angel on my right shoulder must have been on vacation and the devil on the left shoulder made me do it.Just do what ever you want and as long as you believe off to a heaven you go.Must be nice to make yourself not feel so guilty when you do whatever you feel like regardless how it hurts someone else.Just believe.Just look up and say sorry I just killed a bunch of innocent people but I believe.Can I go to heaven now.
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