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« Reply #135 on: Feb 6th, 2004, 11:53am »

It's selective belief based on only a fraction of the UFO data collected in the last 20 or 30 years. Most UFO proponents and alien abduction 'experts' don't like to acknowledge the George Adamski's or Billy Meier's out there who were actually more influential in shaping the face of ufology than anyone, save perhaps Strieber.

Why are the so-called 'fringe' or whacko flying saucer stories of the 50's ignored? Because by acknowledging the entire database of UFO reports, many UFO proponents would be forced to re-evaluate their views.

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« Reply #136 on: Feb 6th, 2004, 8:57pm »

It's necessary to draw a line regarding any subject as contentious as this. This is called judgement. You draw yours, I'll draw mine about Strieber or the earlier contactees.

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« Reply #137 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 08:25am »

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in a long past due reply to those that made comments
about my lat two posts . i was off line for two months , is the reason why. too those of you that in some what agreed i appreciate you greatly, to those of you theat disagreed , i'm glad we can disagree agreeably and still
continue to bannter our various views. because its been my expierience that the truth generally lies somewhere inbetween. so yes i appreciate your opposing views.
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« Reply #138 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 09:15am »

this reply to backlit ,

i above all people know how people have twisted the bible to make it say alot of things that it doesn't for their
own resons. but if we analize what is happening
then we may come to a better understanding of what and who GOD is.
1st god is like a scientist who follows very strict quide lines that he may have established for himself to follow while working on an expierament. as any scientist will
they if working on any planned project are the master of their project and the project can't tell the scientist how they can or cannot be treated during this project.
even if they are vagually aware of him. its as the bible says , it is i (god) who have created you and not you me.
and what he was in reference to is , we are not in control of our destinies but god is.

what if you were a scientist working on a project lets say single cell organism with strict guide lines and a definitive purpose to accomplish a dissired end . what would you do ,even if that single celled project suddenly
rose up and said you don't have the right to tell us what to do . would you inject somthing into the project to show the single cell life forms that they weren't in control. (classic example the tower of babel)
god saw that man was getting to a point that nothing that he put their minds to that they might accomplish ,
(the reason being they were of one language)) so what did the (god) scientist do . caused division in the languages so that their was no understanding any maore between men. and its worked so far .
another thing ,as far as god being imature being,
(even if that was true) he's still the creator and we the created . now to show you i'm not a complete a**
god in the scriptures has *(according to how it was recorded in the old testament) showed some human like qualities such as anger . when the people that followed him for 40 years , while he was up on a mountain with god for an extended amount of time they got moses own brother to make an idol of a golden ox.
while up on the mountain god saw this an made comment to moses while angry that he would destroy
these people and give moses another people to follow him. moses reply was kill me also, because what would the eneimies of the jews say that their god lead them out into the desert to destroy (what he called his chosen people) was it moses level headed thinking that caused god to repent from his anger(and the bible says as much.) or was it a preplanned thing to see what or how moses would respond.
maybe alittle of both possibly.

becareful how you respond to that question , because i'm going to lay a heavy thought on you.
the new testament says that while jesus was having the last passover with his disciples that he and judas
had a last parting words. " go and do as you must!!"
was jesus aware of what judas had already done,was it preplanned. judas had gone to the ruling priests and
planned to sell jesus out to them for 30 pieces of silver.
remembering that it was fortold in prophecy that that would be the case and that it would be one that was
close to jesus?(by that i mean a disciple of his) , for what ever reasons it seems that judas fell into guilt or remorse because of his actions . and he hung himself
and the thirty pieces of silver (because it was blood money was used to purchase potters field) again planned because that to was prophesied in the old testament. another incident that happened in the new testament with jesus was jesus did something and its recorded as , "so that he would fulfill the prophies concerning him " planned or not. the (god ) scientist
had it already planned out and even told us thru prophecy that it would.

god being imature (possibly) but he's the one in charge of this project not us.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 09:44am »

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to hj and nightwalker, thanks for what would appear to be friendly banter which i love , even if it is in humorous
form. what makes you think the government doesn't know more than saying. one should hold the gov. to let the people know the truth about what it knows. but the government has the saying plausible deniablity by distorting or deniing the truth. its been said and even
addressed in tv programs that there is a gov. within a government. did you know that the presidents day and
even so of his policies are predetermined by this secret
gov. (a president who makes campaine promise and after getting elected seems to do the opposite of what he says he believes in) but yet tries to counter by getting other things accomplished that helps what he says he believes in. how many can relate to that .
the goverment has kept so much from the people that it would stagger the imagination. and thats just the USA goverment.

now for a biblical example: the book of revalations
says that when jesus comes back they would flee to the
mountains and plead that the mountians to fall upon them ,because of what they saw and were told was not.

sounds pretty crytic doesn't it, however what if god
(and jesus) comes back in ufo's to judge the earth after
the christian believers have been removed.(beam me up scotty) the governments of this world have told a lie so much that many have believed it and if that did happen
what would one say, (world wide panic ,running to and fro trying to get away from what they were told didn't exist by the governments of the world) they might say
fall on us mountains so that we may hide from what we see.

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« Reply #140 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 10:18am »

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this reply is to minitrue to his reply to layla,about the scaling issue:

sometimes mans itelligence gets in his way so much that he's blinded by the simply truth.

even though the article was interestint that you directed layla to it wasn't exactly true .
(what!! i know your saying this lol)

but lets take this thought as to scaling:

a new born baby in relationship to say a 6 ft grown person may be what ?
ok , average baby lenght generally speaking is 17 to 19
inches
baby weight is generally 5 to 7 lbs. on an average

porportionately that baby is ,and can vary depending on what some may consider to be an average adult.
any where from 10 to 20 size larger than that new born.
stop and think about it . does that article line up with
what we know about a new born baby growing up to an adult.? ok i realize the article was refering to already mature fly to a giant mature fly and what those
supposed changes would be but we're looking at suppostion (what they believe would happen) and not necessarly based on fact that can be viably established.
(to my knowledge or the worlds knowledge no one has ever created a giant fly to substanate the therory
suggested by the article to prove the articles claims.
since no one has its only a therory and supposition.

layla would you agree or disgree
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« Reply #141 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 10:30am »

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an addium to layla

sizing of things:

a great man planned one of the most ambitious
endevours in the 1900's that he designed a air plain that many engineers said would never get off the
ground because of its design. yet this did not stop
this man from making the biggest air plain ever made
which is scientifical immpossible according to
the science of engineering .

now it may seem that i'm chopping my nose off to despite my face but this is not the case. this man was able to bring his design into being to prove his point
there by taking the design out of the therory of possible flying it to actually flying it and proving the fact.

someone should ask the author of the giant fly to show his giant fly and his prove its potentials(which like i say is impossible)
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« Reply #142 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 11:04am »

this is to layla for her post relating to the miniture ufo:

layla i think the story is fascinating ,however there are some falacies that the writer of the article should have
checked on. (also if you can and there is a way please
bring to the forum verification of the article such as the one that we looked at about the sizing of the small fly and the giant fly) i'm a ufo nut from the 1960's and belonged to an amature ufo ,astronomy club. i'm by no way saying i'm an expert in the field but with some
reasoning logic and knowing astronatical terms and what they mean one would be able to tell how much validity to place on any story. i'm not questioning the size of the ufo or the possible size of the garden size ant human like being. 1st no mention as to how the mini-ufo was actually caught , weither by accident or intentionally. being the size that it was there would be no way to track it by radar , so i'm going to assume that it was caught by accident someone thinking it being an insect to discover it being something else.

the tenth planet (and bibically speaking there should be
12 )so the nine planets we are aware of for sure is not complete. to call a 12 to 15 ft boulder a planet in astronanomical terms is a misnamed. we might more
in our terms call it a small astroid or meteor .
now for the small inhabinets of this astroid or meteor
to them it may be home (to them their planet of sorts)
a planetoid type of realastate is anything larger than 4 or 5 miles in diameter but less than 100 miles .

however i do subscribe to a planet therory on the opposite side of the earth that we might never see
because of celestial dianamics .

a boulder of 10 to 15 ft in diameter may be seen by a very large telescope with electronic amplication but
it by no means would be classified a planet.


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« Reply #143 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 11:37am »

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to all those who posted about alien adductions:

there is a host of reported adductions ,some true and some made up. we'd be fools to believe that there are not those that are false. yet because of the false ones we should not throw out the real ones with the dish water so to speak.

there are those accounts were people claim they were taken while asleep, they may have been missing for days or even in some cases weeks. to be found walking on a road or field some where close to their home still in their night clothes. in a daze and not making much rational sense at that time.
there are those who claim the were taken while drive late at night on a lonely road.

the validity to me is if and how these people hold up
to the situation they find themselves in.
admittedly many people have died for a cause ,even if that cause was an erronous cause.
however i don't beleive many of the people would continue to hang onto a made up lie if they new they made it up. to me those that have suffered year in and year out because they didn't want to recount their story because they knew something happened to them ,i would be more enlitened to believe as being true.

do i believe in adducties of ufo's or close encounters
yes i do because i believe i had at least one that i'm sure about. there are some incidents that happened to me that i'm not as sure about but as the old saying goes they have the dog ear marks of these type of incidents. hang in there people one day we'll know the whole truth.
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« Reply #144 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 1:10pm »

on Feb 7th, 2004, 10:18am, PHILROBBINS wrote:
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(to my knowledge or the worlds knowledge no one has ever created a giant fly to substanate the therory
suggested by the article to prove the articles claims.
since no one has its only a therory and supposition.


Mother nature has tried. In animals there are 2 body structure designs, endoskeltons (vertebrates) & exoskeletons (arthropods). One of the heavists insects is the Goliath Beetle. In the water the largest arthropod is the Japanese spider crab. The exoskeleton just won't support larger body plans. Gravity is the limiting factor. On another planet where the acceleration of gravity < 9.8 m/s2 an insect could get larger but here on earth it would be crushed.
A neborn baby has an endoskeleton. Engineers & physicists hane their models and scientific articles.
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« Reply #145 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 11:29pm »

No Phil, I don't think the Father is immature. I think that stories in the Bible portray him as being that way to some extent in the old testament. I think somewhere along the way man lost his link to spiritual evolution. My opinoin is that the old testament does not portray the true nature of God and that JC came here to realign our understanding. Also along these lines it is hard for me to understand how people can equate God as a singular entity with decidedly human personality. But then again is what we read all that we know about him?
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« Reply #146 on: Feb 7th, 2004, 11:34pm »

Sorry everyone for the OT stuff tongue
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« Reply #147 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 07:47am »

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i fully agree with you, jesus did come to straigten out things that man corrupted, the temple cleanzing is an
example of that. and there are other examples as well.

however i wish to apologize to the rest of the list ,if they do not understand were i'm coming from with my christian beliefs. the bible has many examples of ufo,
angel(alien) contacts found within its pages.

such as : flying smoking pots, wheels within wheels,
pillars of clouds(pillars of fire) ,clouds, moving stars
to name a few. however if one looks at the way some
of this is discribed in the bible we find that some like the star of bethlehem was moving in directions not in accordance to the rest of the stars. because it wasn't a star but a ufo. so to me the bible does play an important part in the explanation of them and what they are. weither we choose to beleive it or not.
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« Reply #148 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 12:40pm »

on Feb 6th, 2004, 11:53am, MIB wrote:
It's selective belief based on only a fraction of the UFO data collected in the last 20 or 30 years. Most UFO proponents and alien abduction 'experts' don't like to acknowledge the George Adamski's or Billy Meier's out there who were actually more influential in shaping the face of ufology than anyone, save perhaps Strieber.

Why are the so-called 'fringe' or whacko flying saucer stories of the 50's ignored? Because by acknowledging the entire database of UFO reports, many UFO proponents would be forced to re-evaluate their views.



Bingo bango!!

By George, he's got it!!!
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« Reply #149 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 10:54am »

And now a moment of silence...
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