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« Reply #375 on: Apr 19th, 2005, 8:12pm »

Raelian 1, The only thing you'll ever get me to believe is that they're skinny little liars, scam artists and cons that use humans as vehicles to get them around town for the time being.

Meanwhile, they take advantage of the nature of that vehicle, which is beneficial for most of them as it would be for a rapist or pedafile.

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« Reply #376 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 09:02am »

I'm with jack on that one. They are selfish, manipulative parasites......... not worthy of our respect nor our empathy. smiley
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« Reply #377 on: Apr 30th, 2005, 1:23pm »

Hi everyone
oljack and a few others suggested I post on this forum as my comments and questions were weather aliens could be from our future. I also agree that they are insensitive and cruel in how they treat their specimens. Just be glad they are not cutting you up like they do the cattle.
It seems obvious to me.
Some agency or entity is manipulating us for their own benefit. The most likely reason I see is the desperate attempt to survive. The evidence speaks of a race that is dying and needs to collect the materials from a time before genetic science changes the world forever.

Our history and that of the whole world suggests the deliberate attempt, by these entities, to change our social conscience to avoid calamity.
The information given us by all the prophets and all ancient texts say we are headed for the end of the world.

The means of that end is not completely clear and varies from one source to the next but all agree that the end will come.
The reports of world calamity are depicted and expounded on by many of the abductees and writings throughout history.
Religious writings from all over the world and warnings from profits to the writings of lost civilizations predict a great conflagration that consumes the world and all but a few who inhabit it.

I have problems with predictions and from where they are generated.

It is difficult for me to believe that people can see the future.

It is more realistic for me to believe they were given the information by someone who knows what has happened having seen it in their own history.

Prophets through the ages have reported angels, and other ethereal agents which have imparted this knowledge to them and left them to act on it in their own fashion. Throughout the pages of the catholic bible there are accounts of visitations and influence of the prophets all scripted to direct history and man toward a more civilized belief structure and social awareness. The same precepts and theologies were disseminated throughout the world at about the same time. The reports of abductees say that these assertions are still being made. It is the aliens that are now trying to tell us.

I postulate that our future descendants having seen the past and identified the crux points where and in which their reality ended badly decided to try to influence their history.

This is one explanation that includes all the evidence and the
historical records as well.

Still we will not wish to believe that the end is immutable, and we are directed from the future. I do not assert that it is beyond our ability to change. Only that the future that harbors these aliens is immutable.

That brings us to current affairs.

Abductions, livestock mutilations, the continued harvesting of genetic material, all these things are interrelated in one way.

A future that is denuded of self replicating life.
A world that has lost the ability to live without intervention.
An environment so controlled that all independent life is nonexistent.
A society trapped in a place that leaves no other recourse but to attempt to retrieve things that were lost.

Our current visitors are not willing to expose themselves to our scrutiny and continue to harvest the materials of life from our food stocks and our selves. If we wish to understand the reasons we have to explore any and all possibilities and decide if the facts fit the evidence.

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« Reply #378 on: Apr 30th, 2005, 3:51pm »

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A long, long time ago the Creator summoned His Angels and vested in one Angel called Jehovah the power to create physical matter, but not to create Souls, and “He” commissioned Jehovah to create a new World System to educate the “new” Souls, and “He” gave him the Third and Fourth Dimensions for this project. “He” gave to Jehovah thousands of Angels to assist Him in this task, and “He” assigned to Him many “new” Souls who were created from the body of the “Higher Authority”. Jehovah chose Satan to assist Him in this Enterprise.
Paradise, [Garden of Eden], was the first experimental environment for these new Souls but it was not a physical Planet but a mental dimension World. These “new” Souls were called Adam because they were the first experimental group.
When our Souls were first separated from the body of Energy which was the Creator and we were individualized with our own identity, we had the same potential powers as the Creator but we had no knowledge or wisdom and we did not know how to use our powers.
These Souls had no incentive to learn or to evolute but only desired to enjoy the perfect World that had been created for them. There were no crises or problems or changes and this was a World that they could control mentally.
Jehovah realizing that Paradise was too Godlike and could not produce a proper learning environment decided to split Adam into two physical bodies being male and female and remove the Creator powers from these physical constructions. [This is why we search for our soul mates in order to be whole again].
The Souls that were given to Jehovah originally were complete and were androgyne but Jehovah decided to divide these Souls into male and female and to clothe them in a flesh body to enable them to experience the physical and emotional experiences of pain and pleasure in the different sexes.
It was also decided that an experimental World should be created that existed on the principles of polarity.
The Planet Earth was selected for this new World System. This new World existed on the principles of positive and negative, light and darkness, pain and pleasure, life and death. This World, [Earth], depends upon the Sun for its life-giving energies and for its reflected light.
Jehovah assumed the role of the positive God and Satan assumed the role of the negative God. Between these two opposing polarity forces they attempted to create a functioning World of Humans Beings.
A new system was designed to educate the Soul through the experiences of physical life and to learn by cohabitation with the environment and the life forms. This curriculum was called Karma which required that these Souls reincarnate interchangeably as male or female in a cycle of lives based on the principal of cause and effect.
When the Creator created our Souls, the Souls were in the image of the Creator. However, when the Angel Jehovah created the physical Human Being it was a new form that did not exist in the Universe.
Before the new Souls could be introduced into this planet Earth life forms had to be created to eventually cohabit with these Souls. The first experimental animal physical form was the Saurian or dinosaur construction because the Saurian form was a life form that already existed in the Universe.
These Saurian mammals were the dinosaurs that inhabited the Earth millions of years ago.

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« Reply #379 on: Apr 30th, 2005, 3:59pm »

part 1;This is what I have been taught regarding Creation;

Visualize the Creator in its original state as pure energy. What is “It”? What are “Its” dimensions? What is “It” capable of? These were the questions that the Creator asked “Itself”.
The Creator realizing that “It” was “potential” and not “actual” decided to create from the body of “Itself” by converting pure energy into matter.
[This awesome process of converting energy into matter is called Crystallization and the Church has misinterpreted this process and built a religion derived from this transmutation and called it, “Christ”.]
In the beginning there was a Void and darkness and everything was pure energy and the energy was what we call the Creator [God]. The Creator in order to “experience” “Itself” and to learn about “Itself” decided to create Souls in “Its” own image so that these Souls could be a mirror to “Itself” and everything else in Creation to be the classrooms and schools for the Soul's education.
In the center of the Universe, [Womb of Creation], in this Void and darkness there was a gigantic orgasmic explosion of energy and “bullets” of energy were propelled, and some of this energy became Universes and Galaxies and Solar Systems, and some of this energy became Souls.
In our first incarnation our Souls were sent to a mental World where we could exercise our mental and energy powers. We could create and destroy with our minds.
This was like our “play pen” where we could express ourselves and explore our powers safely without harming anything. In this first classroom we had no restrictions or limitations put upon us.
In the next incarnation we were sent to a more complicated World that had some restrictions and limitations. In each subsequent series of incarnations there were more and more restrictions and limitations.
The purpose of this curriculum is to teach us by experience. We are students in a, “school for Angels”. Now we are in the classroom called Earth which is a three-dimensional World and which is Spiritual, Mental and Physical [“Holy Trinity”]. This is the most difficult school for Angels.
We are the "fallen Angels" referred to in ancient books. However, we have descended from angelic to human in order to learn through the experience of working through limitations and restrictions. Now it is graduation time for some of us. Some of us will ascend again to angelic.
The Universe is in the shape of a spiral and might be described as a gigantic serpent whose coils go round and round but no coil touches another coil. This maintains a perpetual structure which is always in motion but which is always under control. I've chosen to illustrate this philosophy symbolically because this subject is so profound.
There is nothing random or accidental in the Universe or in all of Creation. If we can imagine a master clockmaker who has made all of the gears and wheels and parts to fit exactly and to engage and interact with all the other parts in the Universe, then we would have an idea of Creation and the "Creator".
If we could concept that the sum of Creation is both the parts of Creation and the "Creator" itself, then we would be expanding our minds and our consciousness.
The Creator is a student like we are, learning about “Itself”. If the Creator was perfect then “It” would have no purpose or reason to exist.

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« Reply #380 on: May 2nd, 2005, 10:04pm »

Interesting... where did you gain this knowledge?
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« Reply #381 on: May 3rd, 2005, 8:03pm »

Hi itsallconnected
I'm with you and want to know where these revelations spring from?
On a side note I take it from your screen name that you see the interrelatedness of everything.
I also see the connections and have developed a theory that is a compilation of all the known evidence and ascribed activities of ufos and aliens. Perhaps you read my previous post. I would be interested in your thoughts and comments about my theory.

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« Reply #382 on: May 4th, 2005, 01:09am »

Hello Woody. I theorize that all paranormal activity is connected. Aliens, ghosts, weird experiences, etc... I don't know about "them", being from the future, but I do believe they have time manipulaion capabilities. My assessment is that there is a good and bad side. Seems thats what the human race has always been taught. I think everything is infiltrated. Everything. Our military, our government, our society... with an evil (if thats what you call it) presence. Seems like our way of life is becoming more and more paranoid, and our government needs more and more control, to keep us safe.
I think ghosts are trying to tell us something. Not individually, but as a whole.

I don't know if these being's are alien's. I have had many sighting's and experiences, which made me believe their existence, but what the hell they are I just don't know. Interdemisional?

Deja vu. That's another one.
Yawn... need sleep. I'll try to think of a btter way to explain my theory. Sorry woody.
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« Reply #383 on: May 4th, 2005, 09:35am »

Reply to Woody and all; Much of what I am posting are excerpts from my first book entitled, "The Soul is a traveler in time". I am presently preparing a second book which will expand and explain the first book. I've been a professional psychic most of my life, and a lot of my information and belief system comes from my personal experiences with UFOs and Angels.

I'm not a researcher, neither am I a follower of any orthodox religion or accepted dogma or belief system. I believe in Angels and they have taught me and protected me from harm and death countless times.

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« Reply #384 on: May 4th, 2005, 8:54pm »

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Hello Woody. I theorize that all paranormal activity is connected. Aliens, ghosts, weird experiences, etc... I don't know about "them", being from the future, but I do believe they have time manipulaion capabilities.

Woody
That is were we agree I feel everything is related and connected to everything else. In fact it is the only true way to see the big picture and get closest to the truth. I feel the more one can connect things the clearer the picture becomes. Kind of like a jigsaw puzzle. Each piece is a single unit and whole unto its self. when placed with all the other pieces in the proper sequence then they form a larger more beautifully complete picture composed of thousand of others.

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My assessment is that there is a good and bad side. Seems thats what the human race has always been taught. I think everything is infiltrated. Everything. Our military, our government, our society... with an evil (if thats what you call it) presence. Seems like our way of life is becoming more and more paranoid, and our government needs more and more control, to keep us safe.

Woody
I also believe in good and evil as entities or forces. I have difficulty discussing religion or theology as it always leads to outrage or hurt feelings. I do however agree that the force of good and evil are prevalent and active in our lives every day. It is up to all of us to work to keep the good alive and strong. The force of evil can not win if there is still one good man.

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I think ghosts are trying to tell us something. Not individually, but as a whole.

Woody
Ghosts are just another aspect of the law of conservation of energy. God and the devil may also be just that. If the energy of our mental awareness survives the death of our bodies then the energy of this potential could have accumulated and aggregated and combined to form true self awareness. This is one explanation for god the devil and the haunting of ghosts.

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I don't know if these being's are alien's. I have had many sighting's and experiences, which made me believe their existence, but what the hell they are I just don't know. Interdemisional?
Deja vu. That's another one.
Yawn... need sleep. I'll try to think of a btter way to explain my theory. Sorry woody.

Well thanks for your comments I don’t know either but I think I am getting close. Hope you find the answers you seek.
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« Reply #385 on: May 6th, 2005, 08:38am »

This Planet and the entire Solar System is undergoing a colossal change. This change is necessary in order to save this Planet and the Human Beings on it from extinction. This Planet has a very low vibration rate and is dragging the rest of the Solar System down.
We manufacture war and death and disease. None of the other life forms systems in our Universe do this. It is hard for us to understand that we are in a community of other Planets and of other life forms systems.
I've always felt claustrophobic and frustrated at the general thinking of our society. I do not believe that Adam and Eve started the human race. I believe that there were several experimental colonies of different color races existing at that same time.
I also believe that the Human Being has a link to outer space Worlds and that they are responsible for us. This would account for the UFOs monitoring us and at certain times intervening in the affairs of Man.
Our bodies were designed on a simian archetype in order for us to learn the lessons in an animal environment type world. Now we must go to the next higher level which is mental and angelic. This means that the frequency has to be turned up higher.
It will be a beautiful new World. The Human Beings will be able to control their environments, their health and even the time of their deaths. The mind will be much more powerful. The new race will be connected to a higher understanding of the purpose of their being and their relationship to their Creator and to other levels of existence.
It will be a separation of the true Human Being who is more angelic, from the animal Human Being who clings to physicality. The whole value system and concepts system of the Human race will be altered. The choice is coming soon. Which will you choose?
This is the way that we have to think; Creation and the Universe are multi-faceted and multi-structured and multi-inhabited by a diversity of Beings. Some of these Worlds and Dimensions are inhabited by physical Beings such as us. Others are inhabited by astral Beings and mental Beings and energy beings. There are higher frequency Dimensions which are the habitat of energy Beings who manifest as Angelss of Light.

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« Reply #386 on: May 6th, 2005, 8:26pm »

HI Irwyn

I must say that you have some interesting ideas and a unique understanding of reality. I personally have no problem believing you feel this is the true and only path to salvation but can not join you in this.
However I wish you well and hope you can find the truth that fills your need. I on the other hand will seek light and truth in my own way.
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« Reply #387 on: May 13th, 2005, 11:12am »

on May 6th, 2005, 8:26pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
HI Irwyn

I must say that you have some interesting ideas and a unique understanding of reality. I personally have no problem believing you feel this is the true and only path to salvation but can not join you in this.
However I wish you well and hope you can find the truth that fills your need. I on the other hand will seek light and truth in my own way. Thanks Woody


The subjects of angels, humans and extra terrestrials in the body and the spirt are not your average topic amongst the thousands upon thousands of forums across the Internet. Instead, they consist of personal individual experiences of which all of them will vary from person to person and many times continue for years and years and years such as timetraveler's.

My experiences are still young at only 9 years and 7 months but I think timetravelers are about 4 times that approximately, maybe even more.

My point is that ones experiences are their own. Beliefs are built upon those personal and individual experiences based on all the knowledge gathered over the many years during those experiences.

No one person could ever begin to fully believe or understand without at least receiving a portion of a similar experience to call their own. You might try to believe, but you'll really never know until you know.

We aren't here in this forum discussing recipes or politics, but rather individual, personal spiritual experiences with said. These are experiences that deal with the human spirit on a personal level.

Opinions are many times worth keeping to oneself because, once again, the subjects of angels, humans and extra terrestrials in the body and the spirt are not your average topic and such opinions are considered a vexation to the spirit. They are unwarranted simply because you don't know because you have never had such an experience.

I love discussion and I like opinions but I dislike reading comments about personal opinions regarding anothers experiences and beliefs.

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« Reply #388 on: May 14th, 2005, 10:50am »

Thank you oljack for your posting.
When you have a personal psychic or spiritual experience it is very difficult for someone else to understand, unless they have had a similar type of experience.
When you have an experiences like this it is a different kind of reality. It makes this life reality seem like a dream, unreal. It is very painful and difficult to come back to this life when you have had a different dimensional experience. But you are forced to return here because your life is not over. Let me illustrate the difference between an OBE and a cosmic consciousness experience using my own real-life experience.
The most meaningful experience I've ever had was my cosmic consciousness experience as follows;


In 1956 [age 26]I just recovered from the flu, and I felt very weak and tired. At this time I was visiting my mother and she noticed my weak condition. She advised me to go lie down in a bed upstairs. I laid down on the bed upstairs, and I had the following dream or vision experience.

I appeared to have what started out as a dream in which I saw myself being pursued by an unknown invisible force and terrified I knew I must escape. I was running through backyards and back alleys and each time I came to a fence, I would climb over it and find myself in another backyard.
Finally I found myself in a gigantic courtyard completely different from the other backyards. The floor consisted of black and white marble squares set in a checkerboard pattern and at a great distance ahead on the far side of the courtyard, I saw a black wrought iron fence at least 12 feet high.

I started to walk across this courtyard, wondering how I was going to surmount the high fence at the other end. As I was almost in the center of this courtyard, I became aware of a gentle breeze blowing on me. As my "dream figure" stood there the breeze became a little stronger and more so until it was a wind, and then it became the strong wind of a hurricane.
I stood there confused not knowing the origin of this mysterious wind. The "dream figure" asked itself, where did this wind come from? This is not part of my dream. Then the strong wind knocked the "dream figure" down and I lay on my back in the dream unable to move. Then I was seized in the grip of a powerful magnetic force and I was slowly being pulled upward as if I was going up in an elevator toward the sky.

At this point I became aware of three separate states of consciousness. I saw the "dream figure" being drawn up into the sky, I saw my physical body lying on the bed, and I was aware of a higher entity overseeing this entire experience.
As I was resisting the pull of this magnetic force, I felt that my soul was being pulled out of my body and this would mean my physical death. I extended my arms both in the dream and in my physical body to ward off this magnetic pull.
When I was halfway between my bed and the sky an ecstatic feeling came over me, and permeated my entire body, mind, and soul. This feeling was a feeling of pure love. This love was so beautiful and pure that my total being realized that this force taking me up into the sky was the Creator taking my soul "home" to its source.

At this instant I reached up with my arms in the dream and in my physical body to draw me toward this beautiful ecstasy. At this time I had no thought of anything on this Earth, not my mother, father, family, or my friends. Only the overpowering joy of yielding to this supreme force.
Then, abruptly, there was the sharp metallic sound of a door latch being closed in the hallway. Instantly the dream figure stopped in midair. Then slowly and at the same rate of ascent, the "dream figure" began to descend as if it was in an elevator going down until it entered the physical body.
When the "dream figure" reentered my physical body, I heard very clearly a metallic sound like a heavy safe door being closed and this sound seem to come from the back of my head. I then realized that the "dream figure" had joined with the physical body and I was a whole person again.

During this entire experience, my entire physical body was paralyzed with a numbing and tingling sensation which is similar to when your foot "falls asleep". Slowly the tingling sensation began to wear off and soon I was able to wake and resume my normal physical movements.
I was never the same after this experience and my value system changed and I realized that there are many dimensions of reality and that living on earth in a physical body was only one dimension of reality.

What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #389 on: May 14th, 2005, 11:08am »

fyi;

Nefertiti was the first "women's lib"advocate about 5000 years ago. She was co-ruler with Akhnaton and she many times performed the duties of a Pharoah while her husband was the "official" Pharoah. She also drove her own chariot and beat her husband in a race, which was against the accepted practices of ancient Egypt.

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