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« Reply #510 on: Jun 17th, 2006, 8:08pm »

"I know if I told my husband about this, he'd say someone is making it up and if I believe it, it would mean I am gullible."

I can understand perfectly, Star. My dad feels the same way, er, well, I haven’t really discussed much of my paranormal studies with him, but something like this would also be so foreign to him. So I’m not surprised at all if this is mind boggling to you, especially since you’ve only read the information very recently. You know how some people have a focus of research: some may focus on UFO’s, others on abductions. Well, my primary focus has always been the Reptilians.

Reptilians, also called Reptoids and the “Greens” are believed to be a subterranean alien race possibly an ultradimensional race of aliens. They have been mentioned in ancients texts of many cultures throughout the world just like Bigfoot has. One thread I posted on my forum is called “The Nag Hammadi & the Dead Sea Scrolls.” In that thread I discuss how the Reptilians are also mentioned in ancient codices like the Nag Hammadi, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. The word for them was the “Archons.”

“Assuming what he says is true, HOW should the human population of earth proceed? Could they and we learn to live together, or is that an impossibility, given what I read about their hatred for us?”

From what I’ve read, I don’t think this can ever be possible because of the aggressive nature of the Reptilians. They lack the compassion and love that we mammalian humans possess.

“I know if I told my husband about this, he'd say someone is making it up and if I believe it, it would mean I am gullible.”

Star, when I first bought David Icke’s book “Children of the Matrix” years ago, I read the first few pages, closed the book and thought “This man is nuts.” Lol But as the years go by I have heard of accounts of many people being abducted by these beings, women being abused and raped by them. Also, the honorable African Shaman Credo Mutwa is also very familiar with them, having had an ultradimensional experience with them with negative aftereffects.(please see my thread: “Credo Mutwa:A Most Important Man”). After hearing all of this, reading the historical accounts and seeing artwork depicting them, my belief as a researcher is that we have a real phenomenon here.

Don’t worry, Star. Years ago, I was where you are now in learning about the Reptilians. As time goes on, you’ll begin to see a clearer picture of the phenomenon.

“I will continue to persue the truth, as strange or horrid it may be.

That’s good, Star. smiley Although a certain degree of skepticism is healthy, it’s also good to have an open mind.

I think the Vatican knows a lot about these Reptilians that it's not saying. I wrote a thread called "Tunnels of the Vatican" but I attached it to the "Secret Societies" thread under the "Conspiracies" Board at the following link. This will give you an idea of what has been going on for a long time.

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« Reply #511 on: Jun 17th, 2006, 11:34pm »

Ashiana, I have seen some of the David Icke videos about reptilians, NWO, Masons, and Credo Mutwa. While it is mind boggling to me, in a way, I feel like there has to be some truth to all this.

I just have to hide some of this from my husband. I don't want to start WWIII, you know. Discretion is the word for me these days. He knows I am interested in UFOs and that I saw what I thought was one, but I know he thinks it's foolish, and yet he hasn't said he didn't want me to join the forums or anything. I just don't talk about it too much so he doesn't label me a heretic. LOL

If I showed him some of those paintings from long ago that have the UFOs in them, he'd say somebody doctored the pictures. He will not allow himself to believe in anything but what the Church's magisterium says. I showed him a web page that told about a priest (forgot his name) who says these things are real and that the Vatican is quietly investigating these things. He didn't have much to say about it, but maybe I planted a seed. That's all I can do.

I read everything you referred me to at your forum and I am learning, even though it's a hard lesson. I'm glad I'm open minded, but with a cautiousness about it, too.

In one of the David Icke videos a woman gives her testimony about the reptilians, seeing the shape-shifting, and mentions prominent people who do satanic rituals in an underground place. Another video I watched shows a blonde lady talking about mind control and slavery, and she mentions people like Senator Byrd, who is one of my favorite guys to watch on C-Span. It's hard to hear things like this. The guy is quite old and I can't even imagine him having her as a slave and going through rituals. Shape shifting is something I can't wrap my mind around either....it's just so incredible. How can that be?

Just bear with me, as I am a baby at this stuff, but I'm willing to learn. I think I am trying to process too much information at one time.
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« Reply #512 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 12:26am »

Just thought I'd point something out: An idiot believes the first thing he's told and considers anyone stupid for defying that belief. The word 'skeptic' does NOT apply to gullible idiots, so if they're allowed to continue calling themselves 'skeptics' then we might as well tear up the dictionary let the word 'skeptic' die the same death as the word 'science'.

That aside, I wonder: What kind of shape-shifting can reptilians do? Like, what limitations are there? I knew the Sirians could customize forms to live in, but I never heard of someone changing on-the-fly.
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« Reply #513 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 07:54am »

According to what I heard, they need human blood in order to be able to shape-shift. If they don't get enough, they can't hold the form of a human being very long. It sounds nuts to me, but I am aware that I don't know everything and am open minded. I just don't want to be duped. I am a truth-seeker, who doesn't know what to believe because I haven't seen any of this with my own eyes.......yet others say they have.

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« Reply #514 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 08:39am »

Hi Star,
It certainly is hard to discern the truth from fiction.Concerning UFO's the earliest documented case i can remember is Christopher Columbus in the early 1400's although i am sure that there have been cases documented eariler than that.Concerning aliens i think That is an another whole study all together and is best left to the individual investigator.

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« Reply #515 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 09:37am »

Apparently there have been ETs visiting us for centuries, even before Christopher Columbus. Think about Ezekiel in the bible........what did he really see? He describes it so well....how could it be anything else but a spacecraft?
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1015 Japan: Two objects were seen ‘giving birth’ to smaller luminous spheres over Japan.

1027 During August in Egypt, a number of "stars" were seen to fly over Cairo and the Nile Delta.

1034 Europe: A rare typeset book from 1493 contains what may be the earliest pictorial representation of a UFO. The book Liber Chronicarum, describes a strange fiery sphere, seen in 1034, soaring through the sky in a straight course from south to east and then veering toward the setting sun. The illustration accompanying the account shows a cigar-shaped form haloed by flames, sailing through a blue sky over a green, rolling countryside. This may be the first work that actually contains actual illustrations of UFO's.

1113 England, Wessex: A group of churchmen from Laon in France were going from town to town in Wessex, bearing with them relics of the Virgin Mary, which they used to perform miracles of healing. At the coastal town of Christchuch, they were astonished to see a dragon come out of the sea, 'breathing fire out of its nostrils.'

1133 Japan: A large silvery disk is reported to have come close to the ground.

1078 England: " In this year appeared the wilde fyr such as no man before remembered: and moreover it did harm in many places."

1180 Japan, Kii province: A term equivalent to our "flying saucer" was actually used by the Japanese approximately 700 years before it came into use in the West. Ancient documents describe an unusual shining object seen in the night as a flying "earthenware vessel." The object, which had been heading northeast from a mountain in Kii province, changed its direction and vanished below the horizon, leaving a luminous trail.

1200 England: William of Newburgh describes a silvery, flat, shiny disc-like object, which appeared near the abbey and frightened everyone near it.

1207 England, Tilbury:Gervase of Tilbury writes in Otio Imperialia about an aerial ship which caught its anchor on a pile of stones. An occupant came down from the ship and managed to free it, however he was asphyxiated by the atmosphere.

1211
• England, Gravesend, Kent: During a Sunday mass it is said that the congregation saw an anchor descend and catch on a tombstone in the churchyard. The churchgoers rushed outside to see a strange 'ship' in the sky, with people on board. One occupant of the vessel leaped over the side, but did not fall: 'as if swimming in water' he made his way through the air toward the anchor. The people on the ground tried to capture him. The man then 'hurried up to the ship.' His companions cut the anchor rope, and the ship then 'sailed out of sight.' The local blacksmith made ornaments from the abandoned anchor to decorate the church lectern.

• Ireland, Cloera: A ship-like craft traveling through the air is reported to have fouled the tower of a church. An occupant clambered from the craft, down the rope and cut free the anchor.

1235 Japan: What might be called the first official investigation of a UFO sighting occurred in Japan in 1235. During the night while General Yoritsume and his army were encamped, mysterious lights were observed in the heavens. The lights were seen in the southwest for many hours, winging, circling and moving in loops. The general ordered a "full-scale scientific investigation" of these strange events. The report finally submitted to him has the "soothing" ring of many contemporary explanations offered for UFO phenomena. In essence it read: "the whole thing is completely natural, General. It is... only the wind making the stars sway."

1239 England: Matthew of Paris: “On July 24 at dusk, but not when the stars came out, while the air was clear, serene and shining, a great star appeared. It was like a torch, rising from the south, and flying on both sides of it, there was emitted in the height of the sky a very great light. It turned quickly towards the north, not quickly, nor, indeed, with speed, but exactly as it wished to ascend to a place high in the air.”

1254 England, St Albans: Some monks at saw in the night sky 'a kind of large ship elegantly shaped and well-equipped and of marvelous color'.

1270 England, Bristol: A spaceship was seen, which landed and an occupant came down from a ladder and was suffocated in the Earth's atmosphere.

1271 Japan: The famous priest Nichiren was about to be headed at Tatsunokuchi, Kamakura, when there appeared in the sky an object like a full moon, shiny and bright. The officials panicked and the execution was not carried out.

1290 England, Yorkshire: The Abbot and monks of Byland Abbey, (the largest Cistercian abbey in England), were about to commence a meal when one of the brethren ran in to announce a great portent outside. They all ran outside and saw a large silver disc fly slowly overhead and caused the utmost terror.

1320 England, Durham: After the abbot of Durham Abbey died and was buried, a strange light was seen to descend from the sky and move about over his grave.

1332 England, Uxbridge: There was seen in the sky a pile (pillar) of fire the size of a small boat, pallid and livid in colour. It rose from the south, crossed the sky with a slow and grave motion, and went north. Out of the front of the pile, a fervent red flame burst forth with great beams of light. Its speed increased, and it flew through the air.

1347 Europe: Black Plague, 1347-50: Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects flying low through the sky and dispersing noxious mists. Soon after these objects passed by, plague would break out in that area. Other features from this period similar to modern UFO reports include sightings of mysterious MIB-like scythe-wielding "reapers" clad in black hoods & robes, and mysteriously slaughtered cattle and other animals. One year before an outbreak of plague, a "column of fire" was seen over the Pope's palace at Avignon. A monstrous "whale" was cast ashore at Egemont shortly before another plague outbreak, and numerous times during this period "rumblings like thunder" were heard even when there were no storms. Blazing "comets" were seen numerous times in the heavens - some of which may have been real celestial objects frightening an omen-crazy populace - of which numerous were said to be accompanied by "flames" (aurorae?) hanging low in the sky.

1361 Japan: A flying object described as being "shaped like a drum, about twenty feet in diameter" emerged from the inland sea off the western Japanese coast.

1387 England, Northamptonshire: A fire in the sky, like a burning and revolving wheel, or round barrel of flame, emitting fire from above, and others in the shape of a long fiery beam, were seen through a great deal of the winter.

1394 England: "A certain thing appeared in the likeness of fire in many parts of England every night. This fiery apparition, oftentimes when anybody went alone, it would go with him, and would stand still when he stood still. To some it appeared in the likeness of a turning wheel burning; to other some a round object, the likeness of a barrel, flashing out flames of fire at the head; to others, the likeness of a long burning lance."

1453 Constantinople: "A fire descended from the sky, stood over the City, and enveloped her with light all night long." Written during the siege of Constantinople.

1458 Japan: An object as bright as the full moon, followed by curious signs, was seem in the sky.

1461 France, Arras: A fiery thing like an iron rod of good length and as large as one half of the moon was seen in the sky for less than a quarter of an hour. This object was also described as being "shaped like a ship from which fire was seen flowing."

1468 Japan: A dark object, which made a "sound like a wheel," flew from Mt. Kasuag toward the west at midnight.

1479 Arabia: There is a woodcut of UFO that was sighted over Arabia in an illustrated volume published in 1557. The Prodigiorum Ac Ostentorum Chronicon, text by Conrad Lycosthenes, is one of the best-illustrated books of the Renaissance depicting medieval superstition. On page 494 is a woodcut showing a spaceship seen over Arabia in 1479.

1492 From "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus." Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez while on the deck of the Santa Maira, observed, "a light glimmering at a great distance." It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down, "in sudden and passing gleams." It was sighted 4 hours before land was sighted, and taken by Columbus as a sign they would soon come to land.

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« Reply #517 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 09:50am »

60 AD Scotland: A ‘ship’ was seen speeding across the night sky at.

70 Josephus, from "Jewish War" Book CXI, "On the 21st of May a demonic phantom of incredible size...for before sunset there appeared in the air over the whole country chariots and armed troops coursing through the clouds and surrounding the cities."

80 Scotland: Conrad Wolfhart, Lycothenes, a medieval writer reports, “When the Roman emporer, Agricola was in Scotland, wondrous flames were seen in the skies over Caledon Wood, all one winter night. Everywhere the air burned, and on many nights, when the weather was serene, a ship was seen in the air moving fast.”

98 Rome: Conrad Wolfhart, Lycothenes, a medieval writer reports, “At sunset, a burning shield passed over the sky at. It came sparkling from the west and passed over to the east.”

312 Constantine and his army all beheld in the heavens a luminous cross.. He claimed to have been shown a cross on the Sun as a sign from Christ that he would triumph over Maxentius.



393 Strange lights were seen in the sky in the days of the Emperor Theodosius. On a sudden, a bright globe appeared at midnight and shone brilliantly near the daystar, (Venus). This globe shone little less brilliantly than the planet, and little by little, a great number of other glowing orbs drew near the first globe. The spectacle was like a swarm of bees flying around the beekeeper, and the light of these orbs was as if they were dashing violently against each other. They blended together into one awful flame, and bodied forth to the eye as a horrible two-edged sword. The strange globe, which was first seen now appeared like the pommel to a handle, and all the little orbs, fused with the first, shone as brilliantly as the first globe.

398 Byzantine Empire: “A thing like a burning globe, presenting a sword, shown brilliantly in the sky over the city. It seemed almost to touch the earth from the zenith. Such a thing was never recorded to have been seen before by man.”



400 Egypt: Panodorus, an Egyptian monk wrote: "From the creation of Adam, indeed down to Enoch and to the general Cosmic Year 1,282, the number of days was known in neither month nor year but the Egregori ('watchers' or 'angels') descended to Earth in the general Cosmicm Year 1,000, held converse with men and taught them that the orbits of the two luminaries being marked by the 12 signs of the Zodiac are composed of 360 parts."



457 France: Conrad Wolffart, known as Lycosthenese, a professor at the University of Basel, Switzerland, from 1539, recorded that in 457 AD, over Brittany in northern France, 'a blazing thing like a globe was seen in the sky. Its size was immense, and on its beams hung a ball of fire like a dragon out of whose mouth proceeded two beams, one of which stretched beyond France, and the other reached toward Ireland, and ended in fire, like rays.'



584 France: The Bishop of Tours in France, is perplexed by curious "domes and golden globes that raced across the sky".



619 Japan: A bright object like a human figure was seen over the Gamo riverin Central Japan.



640 Japan: On the 7th day of the second month of Spring, a star entered the moon. (The Nihongi book two)

642 Japan: In Autumn, 9th day, 7th month, during the reign of the Empress Toyo-Tokaro-Ikashi-hi-Tarahishi-Hime a guest star entered the moon. (The Nihongi book two)



643 Japan: "Five colored banners and umbrellas shone in the sky, and descending, hung over the Temple to the sound of various music."


650 India: One night in the hot season, they (Hariswami and his new wife) were laying on the roof of the summer house. The veil on the woman’s face slipped off in the night while a demi-god was seated in his car over head. His gaze suddenly fell upon her. The demi-god lowered the car and placed her asleep within. She was never seen again. (As told by Hariswami, translated from Hindu by J. Platts)


664 England, Barking near the Thames: At a monastery a great light appeared in the sky at night and shone over nuns who were singing in the burial-ground. They reported that it lifted up, moved to the other side of the monastery, and then ascended into the night sky. Priests said the light surpassed the brightness of day.



671 Japan: Flaming object was seen flying to north from many countries in Japan, one year before the war of the Jinshin.



674 England: "In this year a thin and tremulous cloud, a kind of rainbow, appeared at the fourth watch of the night on the fifth day before Easter, proceeding from the east, and turned into the colour of blood."



679 Japan: Cotton like matter about 5 to 6 feet long fell all over Naniwa, former name of Osaka, and was drifted by the wind here and there.



746 England: " Dragons were seen in the heavens"

747 China: Huge flame-breathing dragons were reported being seen in skies, accompanied by men in airships.



748 England: " Ships were seen in the air with their men"

763 Meath County: While King Domnall Mac Murchada attended the fair at Teltown ships were seen in the air.

776 Charlemagne’s castle at Sigiburg. As the Saxons were laying siege to the castle, flying shields that were reddish in color appeared in the sky and rained down fire on the attacking army.



793 England: " ...dragons were seen flying in the air"

796 England: " In the same year small globes were seen about the Sun"

800 Peru: A theoretical date for the creation of the anomalous mass etchings known as the Nazca lines that resemble aerial landing strips in the Peruvian Andes

810 St. Gregory of Tours. "Alcuin, the secretary and biographer of Charlemagne, and author of the Vita karoli, states in his work that in 810 when he was on his way from Aachen, he saw a large sphere descend like lightning from the sky. It traveled from east to west and was so bright it made the monarch's horse rear up so that Charlemagne fell and injured himself severely."

840 France, Lyons: As he was coming out of the Cathedral Archbishop Abobard, saw a mob stoning three men and a woman alleged to have been seen alighting from a aerial ship.



842 France: Multicolored armies were seen marching in the sky...These sightings of infernal armies were nocturnal. They several times accompanied the siege of Jerusalem.

919 Hungary: An object like a flaming torch was seen in the sky, together with spheres, which flew over giving out a brighter light than the stars.

927 France: "In the town of Verdun, like the whole eastern part of France, saw fiery armies appearing in the sky. Flodoard’s chronicle reports that they flew over eastern Reims on a Sunday morning in March. Similar phenomena happened several times under King Pepin the Short, under Charlemagne, under Louis I, the Debonair. These sovereign’s capitularia mention penalties against creatures that travel on aerial ships."

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« Reply #518 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 10:10am »



There's only one thing wrong with this post Focks. It is worthy of a new thread instead of a post. Could you start a new thread and give it a title in this same General UFO section. Great information and I would hate to see it get buried in this particular thread. Thx.
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« Reply #519 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 4:05pm »

Thing is, we came from space to begin with, so it isn't a matter of who's from space and who isn't; just a matter of who's from which stellar system and what their intentions are. After reading the records of the Dogon tribe and the ancient Egyptians, I'm becoming convinced that our invading factions are all from Sirius.

If the Dogons are correct, Sirius was chosen by a higher government to rule this side of the galaxy (or the galaxy itself), governing space flight, controlling the life cycle, deciding who is allowed to know what, creating belief systems and demanding worship, killing off civilizations deemed 'negative' or disobedient by the hierarchy (the black plague, Noah's flood), and other fun things our hierarchic captors like to do. Sirius itself seems to be fighting over who gets the most control - the way humans began fighting when we were selected to govern Earth - leaving them with multiple factions, so we now have two or three treacherous alien races using every imaginable tactic to overcome humanity and get control of Earth. Reptilians do walk-ins, Greys do abductions and alter DNA, angels plant spirits and use near-death experiences - it's pretty amazing how well humanity has dealt with them all.

Interesting details there on Reptilian shape-shifting. I can't imagine how something could change form using blood, but I haven't looked very far into it.
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« Reply #520 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 5:32pm »

Check this page. There are references about 50/50 reptilian-human hybrids and needing human blood.

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« Reply #521 on: Jun 20th, 2006, 12:39am »

I don't understand the whole reptilian paradox, when the aliens clearly made it out that they hate warm environments and won't be coming to our planet on a large scale until it has cooled down some.

Well atleast that was what I was told. I don't really think there are any reptoid races at all. Even the mighty Draconian race could just be birds with reptile like features. And other reptoid races might as well be amphibianoids. Because I can see an amphibianoid evolving into something much more human like than a reptoid. Since reptoids oftenly evolve into something mammal or bird like, (like the dinosaurs) as they mature and develope a more heighten sense of intellect.
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« Reply #522 on: Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am »

Well, DarkLord, I've never seen a reptoid and I don't want to see one. All I know is what I've been reading and watching on David Icke videos. A woman on the video says she has seen humans morph into reptoids. I admit it's pretty strange, but she sounded sincere and until we see one and interact with one, we won't know anything for sure. It's all guess work.
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on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:
Well, DarkLord, I've never seen a reptoid and I don't want to see one. All I know is what I've been reading and watching on David Icke videos.


You should never believe what you see on TV and not everything that you read. Or atleast should always keep the view as a viewpoint at all times, remain open to the possibilities. That's what the aliens have said to me most oftenly. "To keep your mind open to possibilities."



on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:

A woman on the video says she has seen humans morph into reptoids.


I would seriously doubt any extraterrestrial race would be willing to show this ability to a human, when they know most humans are very fearful creatures.

But I don't think the Draconians would be walking amongst humans.

The only race that does walk amongst humans for an interactive behavior study is the Annunaki. Which can only morth their skin, like a chameleon. But the Annunaki are mammals and made us as it says in the Bible in their image.

on Jun 20th, 2006, 01:03am, Star wrote:

I admit it's pretty strange, but she sounded sincere and until we see one and interact with one, we won't know anything for sure. It's all guess work.


Alot of people can sound sincere. When a republican official talks to the public he or she'll approach in a truely sincereful manner. But that doesn't mean he or she was truely being honest to the people.

And I have encounter and interacted the extraterrestrials. Draconians, Zeta, Annunaki, catlike humanoids, doglike humanoids, and insectoids.

And they all say same thing when it comes to knowledge, "To keep your mind open to possibilities."
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« Reply #524 on: Jun 20th, 2006, 11:20am »

An open mind is good...but being gullible is not good. So I shall take your advice to heart. Thank you.
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