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xx Re: UFOs and Aliens
« Reply #600 on: Jun 24th, 2006, 5:09pm »



I think I should give you a for instance. Remember the skater dream and the school that was located on a tarmac where UFOs land?

Well, this alien, tall, somewhat human looking was skating on roller blades on this tarmac. He skated through the school (which means, he's an alien, he's from another planet that we relate their UFOs too and he skated through school, which meant - he did well and was chosen to go to earth via the UFOs there near the school.)

The man with the white glove on his hand meant this. First of all, all nouns mean whatever they mean to me and not necessarily the next person.

The white glove to me says Michael Jackson. The man ran the white glove inside of this barrel to see how much filth was in there. This was also taking place in the school. These were the things they were learning about us.

I will have to remove this paragraph by tomorrow because I shouldn't even be saying such things.

All of the nouns in my visions ALL have a particular meaning. This is how they let me in on what they are doing - they use visions.


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« Reply #601 on: Jun 24th, 2006, 5:16pm »


If you were to look at the timeframes where a particular species of alien were present, you will usually always find only that one prevalent and the rest are gone. This is not true for greys and reptilians since they appear to work together. Also, there is some overlap where the greys and reptilians will begin working, which was quite some time ago and the humanoid looking ones are gone except for a handful with unfininished business.

It's as if they all have different agendas and when that agenda is completed, they're out of here.

The greys are used primarily for abduction but abduction is extremely rare right now. I haven't heard of a legitimate abduction in well over a year. For that matter, the complaints of reptilians are old complaints and you don't hear new ones anymore. That tells me that the work of the greys and reptilians is done.

So, what aliens are still working. From what I can tell and what I know, the ones that are still working are only aliens in the spirit and not in the body.

I read everything and I have not yet read anything new about aliens in the body being present, but, there is more recently tons of posts in various forums, and I'm a member in 14 of them, that have stories about altercations with aliens in their dreams and even some in an awake state.

These, I call in-home abduction. The victim isn't taken anywhere but marks are being left behind on the victim.

This tells me that they are ready to move on something.


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« Reply #602 on: Jun 24th, 2006, 5:48pm »

What I am attempting to do is form a theory that describes and
incorporates all the known evidence into and under a single heading
and focus.

From my first cognitive thought I have been asking. WHY?
Why do I have to go to bed? Why do I have to accept that electrons,
neutrons and protons are the substance of mater.
Why is the sky blue?
Why is it so hard to make myself understood?
Why?Why?Why?Why? The questions are never ending and feed upon
themselves. I have learned that the answers can not be given to me.
I must discover them for myself or remain ignorant.

I invite your comments and questions.

Seek to know Why!

These are some of my own questions that remain unanswered


If the aliens want to help us why haven't they given us help in
understanding the universe and the nature of the infinite
possibilities of the universe?

If aliens are trying to help us why abduct people with no knowledge
of mathematics and science? Why do they take people that by all
accounts are of no relevance to science, or in fact actively antagonistic to it?
Why if they want to give us the truth and reality of the infinite
possibilities within the universe haven't they given that information to
people that could understand the science of it and the true nature of all that is possible?
Why have they allowed our scientists to go with out direction or
even hints to suggest the proof of the universe was possible?
Why have the scientists gone untouched unmodified and uninformed
and allowed the misdirection of our science to misinterpret the
universe that they must have an intimate knowledge of?
I continue my quest!
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« Reply #603 on: Jun 24th, 2006, 6:05pm »

I always theorized that the Greys are a form used by the same spirits as the reptilians. Since they're highly telepathic and have little individuality, it seems like groups of Greys are controlled by one spirit.

But then, I've heard of beings with the Grey form coming from different stellar systems, so it's awfully hard to say. There might be different civilizations using the same form (the way there are different human civilizations), or single civilizations using different forms. Opposing factions may hijack each others' forms from time-to-time, like when Reptilians inhabit human forms or when Jesus came, so we can't always tell who's who by appearances.
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« Reply #604 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 08:27am »

smiley Hello Woody,
these are few possible answers to some of your questions:

Aliens, at least those who came here to study our civilisation, always tried to establish contact by communicating to various people. They can't understand our social systems function very well, because their society is organized well. They have tried even to infiltrate our politics, science and society without discerning between their real value to humanity.
If they asked a king in ancient times, he usually answered, "I'm a king of whole Universe", that was usual habit. So they understood, that he is the chieftain of the planet. This way there were many misconceptions related to people and "interstellar relations" established. Nowadays they don't know, who is the chieftain here. May be they expect him to be like American president.
They had chained with scientists through out the whole history and lot of mathematical theories, inventions in physics, chemistry and biology are said to have sprung from such invisible encounters.
It doesn't say that our developmental scale will move same direction as theirs, because each being in the universe has specific mode of intelligence which can not be changed to another pattern as such in all its complexity. So they could help us in certain way, but the first and last thing they will always check up, is the quality of our intelligence and how much personnal integrity stands behind. To be intelligent does not mean to have mature personality and being able to use knowledge trusted to yourself.
The problem is not that we don't have good scientist or that we are stupid in generall. Problem is global, the velocity we can move actually forwards with our practical knowledge corresponds to the state of humanity as whole. Humanity consists of few scientists and 6,5 millliards of hungry people. So we have to look at it as a whole. What would be use of alien technologies to people without consideration, who are unable to solve moral difficulties on encountering aliens?
The correlation is a natural barrier which prevents any human being from crossing behind the wall of fear.
And prevents aliens from sharing with us, because it could demage our brains and civilisation.
They are not so destructive as you'd imagine perhaps.
They know very well, that we are not ready for open communication yet. There is no way to help our civilisation from outside if we can not do it.
There is strong magnetic feeld around disturbing all space navigation systems and neither they or us are not able to fight with gravity of such ammount.
They have to use protection shields to come down or move through the atmosphere otherwise they'd be dragged down. If they switch of the shield, we can see them. The energy they emitt by generating the dimensional distortion can cause weather changes, health problems or anything else.
That is why they can't stay here anytime too long.

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« Reply #605 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 09:15am »

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They are usually much more open, looking through your mind, not decieved by superficial behavioral patterns, they are less cunning or deceptional than any of your human friends, they love to share knowledge provided you have capacity enough to comprehend it, they don't tell you lies IF you are able to stand the truth, which is their own right to proove or disproove themselves.


this comes off sounding like if you believe their lies then youre able to stand the truth, and if you dont believe and fall for their lies, then somehow you just dont have the capacity for comprehension. This is pure BS. you come off sounding like you know everything and your view is the only way. You post away , then whine when no one responds to your posts. Then when people respond to them, but not to your liking, theyre being confrontational. So what is it that you want? for people to "agree" with your views, your thoughts? what? we cant have views of our own that we see as truth as well, we cant be free thinkers? you post your views, and so do others. actually when i read your posts it comes off sounding like you really are asking for someone to validate your experiences to make you feel sane somehow. if they are YOUR experiences , and you are positive that they happened, then you need no peer validation, if your confidence is strong enough. thats what it sounds like to me, like youre aching for validation, and if anyone questions your experiences, you get upset. we're free thinkers here hon. and no that doesnt mean that because i dont agree with your views that somehow that makes me somehow incompetant to comprehend what you are posting. I understand it, just dont agree with it. if youre posting openly here, then expect to be challenged on your views.
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« Reply #606 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 11:55am »

The previous post also is not to my liking and supose same to yours. I can modify it, delete it, anything you like.
And flush myself to the basin, because that's the easiest of all solutions.

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« Reply #607 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 2:11pm »

Well E you will not like my post either. but here it goes try not to take offence. I do not want to cause you any hurt.

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“They can't understand our social systems function very well, because their society is organized well. They have tried even to infiltrate our politics, science and society without discerning between their real value to humanity.”

I am sorry E
Your statements here confuse me. you appear to say the aliens are advanced enough to travel space and navigate the universe but can’t recognize the relative value and positions of importance in our social structures. To me this is nonsense.
They have attempted to infiltrate our society without understanding it. This is difficult to believe and I have never found evidence to support this from any source.

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“Nowadays they don't know, who is the chieftain here. May be they expect him to be like American president. “

They would be correct in the united states to think the president is the leader. The queen of england and the leaders of all the different nations are easily identified. They are the ones in the government that have all the body guards.

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“They had chained with scientists through out the whole history and lot of mathematical theories, inventions in physics, chemistry and biology are said to have sprung from such invisible encounters.”


The word “chained” is improper here unless you mean to say they chained scientists like captives. This however is nonsense as well. As for where the advancements we have made in the sciences may have come from. The majority can be traced all the way to their initial conception and none have been proved to come from any other source than mankind and our own inventiveness.


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“The problem is not that we don't have good scientist or that we are stupid in generall. Problem is global, the velocity we can move actually forwards with our practical knowledge corresponds to the state of humanity as whole.”

This is not true either. our advancement in science and our inventions are increasing exponentially regardless of world population.

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“Humanity consists of few scientists and 6,5 millliards of hungry people.”


The current world population is 6.5 BILLION people and there are millions of scientists. My question is why these aliens have not contacted the scientific community in any discernible way. That to me would be the best way to increase our social development and our capacity to interact with the aliens on their own terms. The opposite is true that out of all the abducted individuals not one is a physicist or medical doctor or theorist, or mathematician. or astronomer. or biologist or even a geologist or psychologist. There are a few of the main stream scientists such as the SETI group that are actively seeking contact. To date they have not had any success in finding an alien signal. If the aliens are here to help us why not give the message to the SETI group and let them tell the world the great news.

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“ So we have to look at it as a whole. What would be use of alien technologies to people without consideration, who are unable to solve moral difficulties on encountering aliens?”

I see no moral considerations to be dealt with. An alien race has no concept of our morals or if they are at odds with them would want to instruct us in the proper moral conduct they require. As was done with the creation of the worlds religions.

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“The correlation is a natural barrier which prevents any human being from crossing behind the wall of fear. And prevents aliens from sharing with us, because it could demage our brains and civilisation.”

This is a ridiculous statement. The aliens could not by revealing themselves to the general public cause brain damage. They might instill fear,apprehension, anxiety, hope, ecstasy, disgust panic, or outrage. they could not damage our minds by simply revealing themselves.

I can understand where you get this but it is part of our history that when an advanced society interacts with a primitive one many unwanted things happen but on the whole we have grown past that stage in our development and no longer have the naivety of our ancestors.

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“There is strong magnetic feeld around disturbing all space navigation systems and neither they or us are not able to fight with gravity of such ammount.”

Please resist the desire to sound like you know what you are talking about. As it is obvious you haven’t got a clue. the magnetic envelope that surrounds the earth is a product of our metal core spinning at the heart of our world and the gravity is not part of this at all. Gravity is a property of matter. it is mass and mass alone that is the cause of gravity. Magnetism is something completely different and is electrical in nature. it is a force created by the motion of electrons and the positive and negative charges in atoms and molecules. in order to have magnetism you need organized aligned molecules with the poles of potential set at opposite ends. or you must coil a wire around a metal core and pass electricity through it.
I suggest if you wish to make statements about gravity and magnetism you investigate what they are before making a fool of your self with comments like this one.

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“They have to use protection shields to come down or move through the atmosphere otherwise they'd be dragged down. If they switch of the shield, we can see them. The energy they emitt by generating the dimensional distortion can cause weather changes, health problems or anything else.
That is why they can't stay here anytime too long.

E.”

You contradict yourself here and finnish with wild speculation about what the energy fields created by aliens can do. There is no evidence to support any of you statements and I find them so confused and distorted as to render them useless.

Never the less I understand you were trying to give me what you believe as a way to help me. I thank you for that but hope you will consider your words more carefully and attempt to state thing better without all the contradiction and wild assertions .

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« Reply #608 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 3:49pm »

Well Woody, the last note was not connected with this at all, we have had some talk with ladies here in the morning.
In reply to your bold statements: Yes, it's difficult subject, but let us try to understand it.
First you'd have to accept that I know something, let us say little bit of the other side, that is I've had possibility to share some feelings and information with some of them, so I can't stand purely on the theoretical point even if I like. If you like to hear it, fine.
I'd relate, for your kind information, at least to one type of aliens, whom I know . I can't say know well, but I have no reason to talk out of imagination.
You said that aliens who have enough technology to travel across the universe are not able to understand our social structure.
See, to understand social structure of your neighbours family might be really difficult task, not to speak about aliens. You should understand, that the whole of our
social structures are quite relative, imaginary, they have limited value.
Those other beings might be forming very different type of collectives, where they know each other personnaly very well, depend on each other more than we do and share more competencies as far as responsibility follows. It all depends on their intelligence, imagine , that you would have to explain your idea to group of naked aboriginies in the middle of jungle, so how much would they understand your meanings ?
If you ever read any books about great scientists and their inventions, there are many crossroads in the history of science, when solution could not be found.
And after long search even the most complicate things were solved through pure intuition, even dreams, when the related person actually saw the resultant clue or something like that. There are also instances when the actuall idea appeared to two or more people at the same time on different places of the planet and they were both correct. This phenomena are sometimes explained just by collective unconsciousness and time-space synchronicity, but it does not explain all.
I feel courage enough to say , yes, they have connections to our scientists and they can even use some of them for their own purposes. This is because the group of aliens which is most science oriented one, neither cares much to help humanity nor cares for the best of morals. I'm sure that we would disagree with their views on biology and else and there is no way for them to change the views. I've never agreed to cooperate with these aliens but I know that much that most people who fall to their hands either obey or suffer. They have two kind of captives, one kind they use for research and other kind they make to cooperate.
There are even people including scientist on their spaceships, who work for them. But those people don't remember who they are any more.
They are doctors here on earth who work for them.
Not on the consciouss level, but there is lot of non ethical research passed by this alien group to human laboratories. For example.
There are still different alien groups than those mentioned above and only some of them are really trustable and helpfull. They don't harm living beings and feel too unrelated to involve much effort here without serious cause. Yes, they are worried for ex. about our nuclear power plants, as well as all other power plants, they consider our development really backwords, they feel sorry for our problems with everything, but don't feel that they have enough possibilities to lead us openly out of the global crisis and change the whole humanity.
They are neither here to establish religions or show themselves on public, they are helpful, but when and how depends on themselves.
Well, the thing with gravity and magnetism seems to depend on the structure of the core , so they are not unrelated forces in some cases.
Yeah, I know how much energy I really feel to invest to these statements, so they appear as they do.
It's not my mistake only. I can also make mistakes in English, because I don't live in US. Third, I have had some encounters with aliens and the information I actually got is part confusing or rather disorganized, so you would have to produce really good deal of effort to make it useful. And by the end , I've studied lot of mathematics and related sciences and still I have enountered aliens.
If you really want to know something and by chance I do, I'll tell you , but I'm not much to disscussions these days.

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« Reply #609 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 4:27pm »

smiley In reply to ATO and Queen of Hearts

I don't think I'm waiting for any validation as far as my experiences are concerned. It seems that I'm here to have a place , where it's allowed to talk about it at all.
The experience from Bodhgaya is an exception , because it lasted long and was clear enough and I didn't forget it at all, so I don't have many mixed up feelings about it. So I've made it very public thing for everybody to share eventhough it's really difficult.
My experiences with E.T.s I've not put down yet and I'd rather wait till it interests someone personnaly.
I'm not part of any other forums or alien-related groups and don't have anybody to tell this.
I don't feel like I could make it public thing, these experiences are covered with mist even to myself and I don't think to know much more than you. But still we might know something compared to avarage.
Second thing is that at the moment I start writing it down, I will be extremely vulnerable to everything else, so I won't do this without purpose or somebodies support. I feel very much to shake these things away from my mind, because I was really alone with that for few years and recently I felt like it's growing much over my head. So it is true, that by connecting to other informed human beings I try to protect my own sanity.
And I found it helps, by the way.
But it's probable, that I will be oversensitive to reactions if I start relating it, even to no reactions, anything, I might get lot of strange emotions about myself and there is really none around to take care of me. That's why I am hesitant with writing it on the board. You are far away but I believe you are kind and familliar with the subject. So it depends on circumstances.
To ATO: Yes, I agree with you, they can tell lies. But if you know them long enough and proove them , that you recognize them telling truth and lie, they will refrain from doing it.
It's also very true, that your and my aliens might have different behavioral patterns but even in that case I still find lot of simillarities.
If I ever say that this and that is my view of truth, I don't mean that you are not right. I can have better view in one case, you can have better view in other case. It does not sound natural that we would know same things and be correct in every instance.
I take you very seriously and if I make jokes sometimes, it's purely to relieve my tension and make you laugh too.
And last but not least, it looks like I've had headache yesterday and kept writing which is not the best thing to do.
Thanks for understanding and, please,don't get upset because of me
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« Reply #610 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 4:31pm »

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It is you who made that statement about the aliens and their ability to understand our society not me.

I wish to clarify my self to you.

It is apparent you are unable to converse effectively in english and I wish you well in your own search for truth. I however find all you have said to be gibberish. I can find nothing redeeming or verifiable in your statements they are contradictory,argumentative and based on a very misinformed knowledge the world, forces of nature, and what science accepts as the realities of our universe. your statements have no real basis in fact and are viewed by me to be the ranting of someone who wishes to be seen as an authority but has nothing to back it with.
Even with all your assurances and pseudo scientific jargon you present yourself as a fraud with every word you write. I suggest you buy a spell checker an english dictionary and a thesaurus. Invest a few more moments reviewing the meaning for your words and choose them with greater care. As for gravity and magnetism they are not I repeat not the same thing. they are forces that have no connection between them. You expose your ignorance and lack of understanding when you say things like gravity and magnetism are related. they are not and have nothing to do with how or why aliens can transit our world. That is unless you believe the aliens use gravity generators to create the motion of their craft. then the magnetic field would not be involved with its operation only gravity.
Please desist from attempting to impress me with your knowledge and understanding of aliens I don’t think you know anything of value to me and I can not abide fools.

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« Reply #611 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 4:46pm »

Your words appear to me unnecessarily arrogant, they just proove you are not intersted in the subject more than in your own theories, which you gathered from elsewhere and not willing to listen to anybody else.
Your above written statements appear very complex and factual but to me they are not more than collection of avarage persons observation.
It does not tell anything wrong about yourself but I can't really imagine that you would be able to talk to aliens without thesaurus or something like that.
Also it seems that you don't believe in existence of aliens at all, because your interest in that case would be better. I'm able to communicate in English quite well but if you mind mistakes, you can correct them.
Nice of you.
I'd send you the link to the main of my experiences related to the subject , but this tone of yours doesn't suggest that it's worth of effort. The link is few pages back.
Apart from that I don't know what puzzles you on the fact that we are subject to combined effect of magnetism and gravity of the earths core, magnets can be heavy too, isn't it so ?
It's simillar like to proove that 1+1=1. It sounds illogical but there is a way how to proove the statement.
It reminds me of the way of how much different is our and other beings way of logic. I mean to say that the universe we live in probably contains many parallel dimensional systems and most of them are not reachable from our point of view, but we can find them as abstract mathematical probability and even proove them on theoretical bases. Those other beings were born among different star systems, with other gravity, frequency of radiation and timespace factors, and these conditions are actually responsible in long term , how the being will be able to comprehend its own consciouss interaction with himself, the place and universe, that means on which abstract level of logic he will possibly move. The levels are flexible cattegory, I suppose , from broader point of view and there is no way to state them correctly here. I don't think anybody including all beings in the universe knows everything .
More those beings know,less proud they seem to be about it .
There was no way I've said that aliens are creating artificial gravitation field on their crafts. They have more advanced technologies enabling them to create dimensional shifts. Even small child would be able to describe these things if it had seen them.
I hope you will see something yourself one day.
I've disscussed with some astrophysics on simillar subjects, they are all very reserved, but we didn't find any logical controversies in my observations , so I'm not so stupid as you seem to "sense remotely."
Unless you proove real interest, nobody is going to tell you anything about aliens, have you noticed, that it is sensitive matter ?

Nice that you appeared here, they will like you
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« Reply #612 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 7:00pm »

E, im sorry i dont seem to be able to follow your train of thought, you have constantly contradicted yourself numerous times . Your thoughts are somewhat jibberish when broken down and from what ive seen in the last two posts (your english suddenly seemed to improve somewhat in them than from the earlier posts) that it is not due to the language barrior but perhaps something else. What you are presenting are simply your experiences yet you present them as facts, as in "i will tell you how things are" (or something to that). when someone else says or contradicts it you seem to throw in things like perhaps the reader isnt able (or educated enough perhaps?) to comprehend what you are saying. perhaps its your tone, i dont know, all i know is that like woody, id rather not post back to any of your jibberish. if youd like to post your experiences that is quite acceptable, but please know that support means allowing you to speak and post freely, supporting you doesnt necessarily mean agreeing with you or accepting what you post as fact or as possible facts if in case the reader feels they are not.
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they just proove you are not intersted in the subject more than in your own theories, which you gathered from elsewhere and not willing to listen to anybody else.
Your above written statements appear very complex and factual but to me they are not more than collection of avarage persons observation.
kind of arrogant isnt it? hes not willing to "listen" to anybody else? what you mean is he's not willing to blindly accept what youre saying. and, not more than collection of "average" persons observation? excuse me hon, but i would think the majority of us here are average people. are you saying you are above average in interpreting the aliens?

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i guess we could say the same about you.

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Second thing is that at the moment I start writing it down, I will be extremely vulnerable to everything else, so I won't do this without purpose or somebodies support
and we can be here to support you by listening but i dont know what it is you are needing? we can support you by listening but thats not good enough for you.
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why dont you just write down what it is you "need" from us mew? what kind of support are you needing? what would help you? because i have to tell you right now hon, you are totally out there contradicting yourself left and right and confusing us. and i dont say that to hurt or upset you, but to try to understand you better.
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« Reply #613 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 7:03pm »

I think Woody has been very patient actually. I've read the postings of all on this thread, difficult to do with some, and see very little clarity except with his writings. (Not you QOH!) Why he bothers I cannot answer.

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« Reply #614 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 7:26pm »

yea hj i have a huge headache just from trying to understand it all hon. i give up
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