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« Reply #615 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 7:39pm »

Avarage from the point of view that I have known them a bit personnaly and he might not.
Avarage can be about anything, you know, like how many tomatoes you eat daily, but it doesn't say better or worse. I am like this with him, because he seems to be used to that.

I don't know what to do with the subject to move on.
I know what I'd need, or may be don't know. But it appears difficult to post it there without special intent.
You know like : And what you want to tell them ?
And why ? And what answer you expect to get ?
These are exactly my questions. The Bodhgaya experience started to open my eyes to these things out of sudden and it's just too much in short time for me to digest and explain. I am not contradicting myself , I am just inquering about the possible logical explanations of my experiences. If I find contradictions, I always continue searching. So I do it.
If I find the correct way , how to relate the experiences to others, not to harm anybody including myself, I will do it for sure.
I've not spoken about them before anywhere, so it might take time and effort to me to feel well about it.
I don't expect you to "agree" , I don't know when it will be actually suitable and I am much afraid of reactions .
There are always many factors in a play, sorry for mistakes, but my English is equall to my mood.

Thanks for understanding,
and please , don't get angry with me, the reasons would be anyway purely virtual,

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« Reply #616 on: Jun 25th, 2006, 7:44pm »

My personal quest began 38 years ago. I was twelve when I saw that strange cigar shaped craft out side my bedroom window. Since that day I have been obsessed with the search for answers to what it was, who was in it, how it worked, where it came from, where it went, and why was it here?
In the intervening time I have read almost every printed word about aliens and ufos seen every program that dealt with the subject and explored every web site with ufos and aliens as their focus.
I have invested more than half of my life in this subject and will continue till I find my answers or I die. I seek out everything I can.
I do so every evening and with each new discovery I add to my theory. with every new idea I test it and probe it to distinguish what is fact and what is speculation I assign the appropriate definitions and edit it into my work. I still have not found anything about the aliens and their interactions with us that does not fit within my theory.
In every other theory I have heard or read I find contradictions and special cases that do not fit the mold of that theory.
I pride myself on having a very wide knowledge base about this subject and am thus able to write and converse coherently and at length.
I am willing and eager to hear what is known and thought about aliens and ufos. I actively seek it and when given the opportunity to voice my opinion do so with as much accuracy and honesty as I can muster.
I do not wish to belittle anyone and do not wish to cause hurt or harm. I will however challenge any inaccuracies or expose outright fabrications as what they are.
If you speak of a scientific knowledge and then say something that is patently false or erroneous expect my response to be very negative and my opinion of you to diminish. If you canít take the time to know what it is you are talking about then it is always best to say nothing.
With all this off my chest I will retire till called upon or I feel the need to interject my thoughts again.
Thanks for the compliments and the support HJ and Queenofhearts
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« Reply #617 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 01:04am »

Well Woody, all I can say is you have a better handle on reality than some others. You do come off a little pretentious at times but we all need to forgive each other our little faults. It's the major delusions that can't be ignored and that muddy the perceptions of everyone reading that can't be left unattended to. We here want the truth, that's why we are here. I don't know what the truth is. All I can do is read everything and run it through the mental filter that I use daily to judge everything. Your writings flowed through easily.

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« Reply #618 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 06:45am »

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lol, anyway. I still can't decide what it is the aliens want from Earth. Could they simply want to walk the Earth at will, and infuse their ways into Earth culture like many people tried with feudal Japan? Or do they want resources? It seems to me that the opposing alien factions just want to expand their rule and get followers.

The invaders don't simply stand back and toy with humanity. Many of them are humanity - sending their spirits to live in human bodies, it seems. Any of us here could be an off-worlder and not know it. Most off-world factions apparently aim to make humanity a branch of their own civilization and put away the original Earth spirits. This is most apparent with the angels. When you pay attention to out-of-body and near-death experiences: A person's guardian angel sometimes refers to the person as though they were also an angel - sometimes a superior one - and during NDEs, the person says many of the angels seem strikingly familiar to him, because, simply, he's one of them. One should note that a lot of people don't have guardian angels at all, so of course, not everyone is one of them.

The angels - from what they've said - have infused themselves mostly in Europe and the US. The genetic makeup of a white person is apparently angelic. (no, that's not necessarily a good thing) I've read a page by someone who appears knowledgeable on interplanetary species - http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/truth_about_orion1.htm - and says the native Americans had a lot of Reptilian genes in them, which would explain why European (primarily angel) immigrants wanted to kill them off. Though, I'll note that native Americans tend to worship an Earth-spirit, which doesn't sound like a Reptilian trait to me. A very reputable near-death experience (Howard Storm) reports the angels saying they purposely had Europeans split off and create the US. Apparently it wasn't an accident when Columbus' ships were blown off-course, and neither was the slaughter thereafter.

In effect, this means Earth cultures and races reflect those of the planet their life cycle belongs to. A Reptilian in Europe will seem out-of-place and will likely be ignored/hated by them. Or for example, I live in the US, and even though I'm genetically your typical white-guy, I'm out of place here, I appear to have no guardian angel, I've absolutely hated sunlight for as long as I can remember, and I've always been uncomfortable with the bible and thoughts of angels (recently coming to terms with the fact that I'd like them dead). It's easy to guess I'm not an angel. There's a chance I'm Reptilian, but I'd prefer to think I'm one of Earth's originals. Or I could just be a traitorous angel - I wouldn't know just yet.

Anyway go back to whatever you all were talking about.
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« Reply #619 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 07:39am »

Z, your latest posting is so funny. I believe that we all have Guardian Angels. This belief is supported by my many personal contacts with Angels and with angelic human beings. When you say that you are an original human being created on this planet, that qualifies for the joke of the week. Don't you realize that the human race is an experimental race that was transported to this planet? I think that you have oversimplified your belief system in order to understand the complexities of creation. I wish you luck. Unless you have had personal experiences with Angels and UFOs and ET's then your ability to understand is very limited.

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« Reply #620 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 08:19am »

I'm not as advanced as any of you here, but my understanding is that angels and human beings are two different species. One can't be the other.... like a dog can't be a cat. The frequencies are different. That's how I understand it anyway. Am I making sense?
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« Reply #621 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 08:57am »

I think that no reasonable alien would live here for long.
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And because they can not stay on Earth without any artificial support, they use human bodies as vehicles for their temporary dwelling. If they colonize the planet this way, nobody would really notice that something happened. If they come without support, they appear dream like , but they all seem to depend on connection with their mothership, which grants them power field protection. If they moved freely through the streets, they would die soon.

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« Reply #622 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 4:07pm »

on Jun 26th, 2006, 07:39am, timetraveler wrote:
Z, your latest posting is so funny. I believe that we all have Guardian Angels. This belief is supported by my many personal contacts with Angels and with angelic human beings. When you say that you are an original human being created on this planet, that qualifies for the joke of the week. Don't you realize that the human race is an experimental race that was transported to this planet? I think that you have oversimplified your belief system in order to understand the complexities of creation. I wish you luck. Unless you have had personal experiences with Angels and UFOs and ET's then your ability to understand is very limited.

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« Reply #623 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 6:21pm »

This forum seems to be in an attack mode. Why are we doing character assassinations instead of sharing different viewpoints and theories? Each one of our personal experiences is different, even as our UFOs and ETs contacts are different. Should we all conform to the same thoughts and ideas and experiences? I think this is my cue to leave this topic forum. Irwyn sad
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« Reply #624 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 6:47pm »

Well HJ
I suppose you can call me pretentious I have been called much worse like arrogant self absorbed, conceited, hard headed, and a variety of body parts and byproducts, alone and in combination.
The sad part is it was my wife who called me these things.
I guess pretentious is not so bad. LOL

I am pleased you found my prose easy to read. My question to you is did any of my arguments provide any points you could agree with? If not. What did you disagree with and why?

I do not know if you were able to view last nights episode of the 4400. I was beside myself and burst out laughing when the little girl Karra was taken again and brought to the future. In the scene at the end the woman from the future stated that all the things they had changed in the abductees and all the actions of these individuals had not had an effect on their time line and they were going to die so they were going to send her back even further in time to attempt to change things from further in the past.

It sounds like someone took my theory and made a screen play out of it.
The similarities are uncanny.

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« Reply #625 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 11:12pm »

Sorry Woody. Pretentious was probably too strong a word. You can call me some descriptive word if you like to make up for it. Lol!

Your theories are pretty much the same as my own. I can find no fault with them as far as evidence or logic and that's why I prefer them to the many other theories and ideas offered. I don't express them here as much as I used to because no one seemed very interested in the time travel angle. Quite simply, it could explain many of the mysteries of UFOs and aliens.

HJ

PS: I've never watched The 4400.
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« Reply #626 on: Jun 27th, 2006, 9:08pm »

So far HJ
I have no reason to apply any disparaging monikers to you.

I am surprised how many people on these ufo groups do not watch the show.

I am intrigued as to why but so far Iíve not been convinced by the answers.

My personal acquaintances number about 30 close associates and out of the thirty people at least 5 watch the 4400.

By that percentage out of the hundreds of people (at least 500) I have asked that question of in the ufo groups at least fifty people should be viewers. To date I believe only three have actually admitted to watching and in most cases my question seems to inspire a knee jerk reaction.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I might infer that the majority of the ufo community were conditioned to avoid shows that contradict their personal concepts or belief structures for their respective aliens.

There also appears to be an aversion to mainstream science. I do not consider myself exceptional but as an adjunct to ufoís and aliens I considered science the best way to understand what they were and where they came from. Even if all the other scientists would not admit aliens were here I was sure something was and I figured it was through science I would discover the truth.
Also if I were ever to discover the answers I would want to be able to prove it to everyone including the scientists

Just a couple of observations if any of the readers has some input I would love to hear from you.

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« Reply #627 on: Jun 27th, 2006, 11:32pm »

The conspiracy theory couldn't apply to myself since I agree with your theories and you said The 4400 does also.

I also agree that science will help provide the answers rather than fantasies or beliefs. Even if most of the reports seem to indicate something beyond our current scientific knowlege.

The problem is that true research scientists generally refuse to study the subject (with only a few exceptions). I think this is a direct result of unbelievable claims and beliefs being widely publicized. This causes the whole subject to be dismissed by scientists as unworthy of study and possibly career damaging. Of course if Bill Gates were to fund an investigation, there would be no shortage of qualified applicants. I suppose this will not change soon.

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« Reply #628 on: Jun 28th, 2006, 12:28am »

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I really wish people would be more careful not to call every drunken imbecile who doesn't know left from right a scientist.
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I really wish people would be more careful not to call every drunken imbecile who doesn't know left from right a scientist.

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You make my point for me. This statement which you have voiced many times when responding to comments about scientists and science in general. is unprovoked and spurious. Neither I nor HJ have referred to any specific scientist. To assume that all the research scientists are drunken imbeciles is completely unwarranted. If I or HJ had named a specific individual then you could make statements about that individual but I would be careful here as well. This could be considered liable and you might find yourself charged with a crime.
I am interested in why you are so disparaging to scientists and their profession?
You appear to make irrational statements with regard to this. Were you scared by a scientist as a child? Or was it your father who was the drunken scientists?
In any event to class all scientists as drunkards is unreasonable and insupportable.
So to put it in your words I wish you would reframe from baseless irrational statements about scientists. When and if I name a specific scientists you may comment on the specific attributes of that individual.
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