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« Reply #690 on: Jul 11th, 2006, 09:07am »

And where does it say 'believe or be damned'? All I see is a bunch of aliens saying 'obey or be damned'
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« Reply #691 on: Jul 11th, 2006, 09:51am »

on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:59am, woodgnome49 wrote:
We must BELIEVE OR BE DAMNED


That is so true. Even in respect to religion being taught these days by the church themself. Those teachers who are teaching their congregation from the right side of their mouths are preaching nonsense from the left side. Television evangelicals have taken what was once called comfort and have turned it into a fear for many. Their words, "If you do not believe that Christ died on the cross you will not be saved". Saved from what? The fear you (church) just instilled in my mind that I'm not doing something you (church) believe I should be doing but have not been driven or pulled to do so! They drive me batty. Meanwhile, these listeners are leading good lives with now a question mark in the backs of their minds because the church instilled unsettling words.

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These beliefs have been part of the human consciousness for ages and none have ever proved to be more than human hopes dreams and delusions.


There is no question that they have a part in the psyche. I believe that this was religion's design originally. It offers comfort to those who fear death for one. However, there is another truth about religious literature and an experience that is only found by seeking. It's nothing I could ever begin to describe except to one who needs no description as to what I'm talking about.

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No aliens need be associated to this but some individual decided to turn his belief structures into a religious doctrine handed down by the aliens.


There are so many like Zeta but I can understand why certainly, which has everything to do with alien/biblical associations.

Do you know what really hits me when I associate aliens with religious literature is when I read Mark 9:4. Now, I like to live in reality so I know for certain if the following happened, it did not occur without the assistance of some pretty heavy duty technology. Be it screen memories or holograms/holographs - something a little more then human was happening here.

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Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elijah with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answereth and saith to Jesus, Rabbi, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah. 6 For he knew not what to answer; for they became sore afraid. 7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them: and there came a voice out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him. 8 And suddenly looking round about, they saw no one any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, save when the Son of man should have risen again from the dead. 10 And they kept the saying, questioning among themselves what the rising again from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, [How is it] that the scribes say that Elijah must first come? 12 And he said unto them, Elijah indeed cometh first, and restoreth all things: and how is it written of the Son of man, that he should suffer many things and be set at nought? 13 But I say unto you, that Elijah is come, and they have also done unto him whatsoever they would, even as it is written of him.


Lastly, what is prevalent amongst abductees/contactees in respect to religious literature and aliens is the pitch. They love to sell us on spirituality, which is essentially what religious literature is all about (with a twist certainly). Even if they weren't or aren't responsible for such, they sure have their hand in the cookie jar, which manifests things such as Zeta.

I happen to own 12 Bibles and literally tons of other religious literature from Hinduism to Zoroastism. I owned only one Bible on the very day the aliens contacted me. They have me resort to them more then frequently.

Honestly, their favorite learning experience for me is Taoism, which I teach my daughter. But, I remain a Christian as well.

One last thing - and - I've never stated such on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - I do not believe in reincarnation. Never have, never will. To me it appears as a tool (ruse) used thousands of years ago to also relieve the fear of death for the living in those days.

Those that dwell with me have NEVER ever cared to touch on the subject whatsoever. That tells me even more.

When I read about people who believed that they were someone else in a previous life, I can think of only one thing, which is that those are the tricks of the trade for the dead. After all, they are the tricksters.




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« Reply #692 on: Jul 11th, 2006, 9:53pm »


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(That is so true. Even in respect to religion being taught these days by the church themself. Those teachers who are teaching their congregation from the right side of their mouths are preaching nonsense from the left side. Television evangelicals have taken what was once called comfort and have turned it into a fear for many. Their words, "If you do not believe that Christ died on the cross you will not be saved". Saved from what? The fear you (church) just instilled in my mind that I'm not doing something you (church) believe I should be doing but have not been driven or pulled to do so! They drive me batty. Meanwhile, these listeners are leading good lives with now a question mark in the backs of their minds because the church instilled unsettling words.)

Hi ATO
I must agree completely on every point you make.
My own belief structure is a combination of many teachings and not of any one church. I was raised Catholic and spent my school years in private Catholic institutions.
I was The son of an airline pilot and we moved more often than the military. In fact I lived in over 39 of the 50 states and several foreign countries all before I was 18.
This afforded me a unique life in that I was constantly exposed to new ideas and religious beliefs. I was forcefully indoctrinated into the Catholic faith but I could not bring myself to believe what was being forced into my head.
I must admit I have not completely foregone all the things I was taught but I choose to modify the teaching to fit more comfortably within my world.

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It offers comfort to those who fear death for one. However, there is another truth about religious literature and an experience that is only found by seeking. It's nothing I could ever begin to describe except to one who needs no description as to what I'm talking about.

Once more I agree. Iíve had many personal experiences that were spiritually fulfilling. However Iíve never been given any hint that god or the devil truly exists as what I was given to believe.
I have a theory that would most likely bring outrage and condemnation from everyone so I will reframe from voicing it here.

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There are so many like Zeta but I can understand why certainly, which has everything to do with alien/biblical associations.

Do you know what really hits me when I associate aliens with religious literature is when I read Mark 9:4. Now, I like to live in reality so I know for certain if the following happened, it did not occur without the assistance of some pretty heavy duty technology. Be it screen memories or holograms/holographs - something a little more then human was happening here.

You have identified the most widely acknowledged description within the bible that is associated to and ascribed as a UFO encounter. There are hundreds more if you wish to push the point of interpretation. I also have read and investigated many different religions and was part of a cult when I was younger.
I have since grown more skeptical and stepped out of the mold set by the past. Sometimes i am forced back but strive to remain outside.

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Lastly, what is prevalent amongst abductees/contactees in respect to religious literature and aliens is the pitch. They love to sell us on spirituality, which is essentially what religious literature is all about (with a twist certainly). Even if they weren't or aren't responsible for such, they sure have their hand in the cookie jar, which manifests things such as Zeta.

I happen to own 12 Bibles and literally tons of other religious literature from Hinduism to Zoroastism. I owned only one Bible on the very day the aliens contacted me. They have me resort to them more then frequently.

I have also investigated may religions though I have no personal alien contacts or other experiences of the like I have many unexplained occurrences which required introspection and a quest for understanding. I have gained strength and support from the words of these faiths. I have taken solos, and relinquished responsibility to divine providence. There are many good things and valuable lessons in all the teachings of religion from every culture of earth.
I do not disparage any who take refuge within the teaching of one faith or another.
I am most distressed by the manipulation of the innocent. The overwhelming miss direction and misuse of the faith that these people have gives unscrupulous individuals so much power that they can persuade you to even take your own life. RE: the George town massacre or the dividians, or even the fowlers of David Karesh. forgive any miss spellings please.
My own mother is 75 today. She has joined a new christian church with such sever doctrines and extreme tenants that she choose to destroy or remove all of the hand carved things I have given her over the past 44 years.
I began wood carving at age 6 and have given her something every year since I started.
These things are Graven images and are evilhuhhuhhuh?
What evil could be in a daisy carved in pine and mounted on a plank of redwood.
Still she is devout in her beliefs. I love her and have no one else.
I do not want to loose her to a maniac with delusions of divine knowledge..


Honestly, their favorite learning experience for me is Taoism, which I teach my daughter. But, I remain a Christian as well.

One last thing - and - I've never stated such on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - I do not believe in reincarnation. Never have, never will. To me it appears as a tool (ruse) used thousands of years ago to also relieve the fear of death for the living in those days.

Those that dwell with me have NEVER ever cared to touch on the subject whatsoever. That tells me even more.

When I read about people who believed that they were someone else in a previous life, I can think of only one thing, which is that those are the tricks of the trade for the dead. After all, they are the tricksters.

Here is an alternate theory to reincarnation.
Throughout nature we have evidence of genetic memory.
Birds build nests, turtles seek a single beach to lay their eggs, salmon swim up stream to find the place they were born.
This is fact!
We in our arrogance have excluded ourselves from this phenomena.
I believe that those who express knowledge of past lives do in fact have that knowledge. they were genetic descendants of those past lives and the information has been carried to them through our genetic code.
This seems to be much more plausible than reincarnation

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« Reply #693 on: Jul 11th, 2006, 10:26pm »

Woody, I am really sorry to hear about what is happening with your mother. Perfect example of how many people take Biblical references totally out of context.
I was also raised in a Catholic family. I have read about many other religions as well. My beliefs are Christian and that faith is strong, but not one that does not question things. I was taught by a very wise religion professor when I was in college that the most foolish thing was to not have questions and ask them. It is by questioning that we learn better what our personal beliefs are....and we are strengthened by that, not weakened.
That poor prof was called names by many of the people in that christian school. I found that his challenges to our beliefs were good for me. He always warned us that we should be ready to understand why we believe the things we do and to be able to answer for our own personal beliefs because when we walked out of the college into the adult world....we would most certainly have our faith tested and questioned.
I am quite grateful that I crossed paths with someone wise enough to challenge and to make us search for our own answers.
I hope that your mother will remember what those carvings meant and the spirit in which they were crafted and given. I think they still have the power to touch a mother's heart.
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« Reply #694 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 12:43am »

on Jul 11th, 2006, 9:53pm, woodgnome49 wrote:
I have a theory that would most likely bring outrage and condemnation from everyone so I will reframe from voicing it here.


I have sores on my lips from biting them so frequently. LOL

There are many things that I don't ever repeat just because even if it is useful information for one, it could harm another psychologically speaking. So, I bite my lip. Simple logic answers so many questions though.

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You have identified the most widely acknowledged description within the bible that is associated to and ascribed as a UFO encounter. There are hundreds more if you wish to push the point of interpretation.


I posted them here in the Casebook some time ago. I think there are like 155, not counting the Book of Enoch and it's loaded.

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I am most distressed by the manipulation of the innocent. The overwhelming miss direction and misuse of the faith that these people have gives unscrupulous individuals so much power that they can persuade you to even take your own life.


Yep, and this includes your mom and her new found belief in graven images. If you want to get technical with your mom, ask her why carvings of Christ and other biblical characters are found in Christian book stores, churches, not to mention millions upon millions of crucifixes with Jesus on them worn around everyone's neck. How about rosary beads with a charm of Christ attached to the end. That's a graven image.

A graven image is also a photograph of an individual as well. Does this mean she's going to throw away all of her pictures next? Some churches go just a little bit to far in my eyes.

Sad really because the pictures or rather photos that we keep are there because over time the long term memory fades and reviewing a picture etches that memory again and/or brings it to the front and renews it in the short term memory in order to store again. This is why we should never box our memories but have them sitting out or hanging on the walls.

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I began wood carving at age 6 and have given her something every year since I started.


Carvings of things are just that - carvings. Are they of people that you or her worship? Can you imagine if there were no graven images in the world we live in. Oh bother. Sounds like you need to stomp over to that church and have a conversation with whoever is feeding her that muck.

3. no other gods before me
4. shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness
5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them nor serve them

All three of those verses point to the same thing. They point to the lesser gods, not every day people or material goods. The writer was flowing with the same subject matter in #3., #4., and #5.

People in those days worshipped things that were representative of the gods that they believed in. This has nothing to do with anything outside of that.

Ya know these three commandments all came about because of the graven image of the golden calf that the Israelites were building and then worshiping down below the mountain that Moses was standing on top of as those commandments were being written. That alone speaks volumes. That was keeping them the most busy down below at the time so it was first and foremost on somebody's mind.

Just for a moment pretend you're the one speaking those three commandments. What was on his mind? It was the current activity of the Israelites on that very day week and month. What else was probably on that one's mind was something that sounds like, "what in the heck are they doing by worshiping a hunk of gold in the shape of a calf. It doesn't breath, it doesn't think. What are these people doing, what are they thinking? They need funds to survive over the years to come so what in the heck are they doing by melting all of their gold and building a useless gold statue? What fools!"

Yeah, they take this stuff out of the Bible and make it whatever they think it might be without recognizing the fact that the answer sits there plain and simple in black and white.

Sadly enough, you have your weapon but you cannot even begin to use it and that is that the graven images spoken about in the Ten Commandments could very well be the lesser gods that they worshipped, including aliens. If this is true then George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg are in a ton of trouble. LOL The golden calf was just representative of their lesser god, whoever it was at the time.

So, flowers are ok. Just better stay away from the animal carvings woodgnome. lol

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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness [of any thing] that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me.


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« Reply #695 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 06:29am »

The following is not meant to provoke anybodies belieives.

According to my insight , the spiritual background of human beings is something, which no aliens are going to comprehend exactly, because spirituality is more than believe and faith is rather result of our inborn spiritual nature.
This world is already spoiled by materialistic approach to everything, well known abyss between religion and science and rather mystical efforts to unite those two.

Are aliens responsible for that ? Not to me.
Are they helping us to be more intelligent or ethical ?
Do you feel that there is more than one intelligence in brains of human beings ?
Is not the underdeveloped portion of my brain called devil and the better one called God ?
Are we fighting with many Gods and devils , or are we fighting for uplifting general intelligence of mankind ?

Who can ever win or loose in the name of religion, invented for the timebeing of our history ?
But I'm quite sure, that true spirit, the one beyond grasping, is valid for both sides. If the name of God is pronounced or unpronounced, does not make us empowered to think well enough.
And thinking itself probably depends on quality not quantity in the ultimate realm of intelligence.
And truth does not depend on someones' solitary realisation, but will depend on extending our thinking capacities in future. As the whole of humanity, I mean to say...

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« Reply #696 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 4:59pm »

Thank You Creole lady for your sympathies and I hold out hope that all will be well. What you say has truth in it and I can only love my mother and hope for the best.


ATO
I thank you for your observations.
I have attempted many of the things you suggested as ways to alter this new religious zeal. I expose the acts of irrational behavior spawned from the teachings of this new preacher. I to help her understand all of these things as what they are. All to no avail. I suspect she is giving most of her SSI check to this charlatan and is so embroiled and blinded from grief and loss that she has sought some peace or absolution by doing this.

We live close to New Orleans (within 10 miles of downtown) and were part of the tragedy caused by Katrina. We lost a great deal the most devastating being my brother. He died from stress diabetic complications and heart failure during the hurricane and we spent months displaced and separated from each other during that time. She suffered greatly and has not come through this experience with much strength left. I feel she may be declining faster than she should and I attribute it to the teachings of this self proclaimed profit.

You all know by now that I think aliens are from our future and are in fact our descendants. This does not preclude beings on other worlds or in alternate universes. I Have no way to disprove that any one theory is true or not I just feel deep in my core that I have discovered the best one that fits all the evidence.
As for the effects these people might have wanted to occur by adopting the role of gods and the creation of religions it appears not only to have been a way to instill greater moral values but also as a direct control of the masses.
As always it is the church which maintains the greatest control over people. Governments may dictate laws and control the money but the church controls the greater part of the people.
Religious beliefs and semitic intolerance has been the cause of 99% of all the wars fought and lives lost. It is religion that fuels almost every world conflict occurring today.

In giving us religion they unleashed a way for those who seek power to control the masses and the ability to tap into our bigotry and hate.

They create fear and panic. They chastise us and tell us we are not fit for the kingdom of god. Only by following them can we hope to see everlasting peace. Only by doing just what they say can we walk with god.

I say they are the true devils and all the pain and anguish in this world can be laid at their feet as the true wealth of what they reap.
Even if it is aliens this is still heinous and unforgivable.
It is god and the devil that will destroy the world!!! Everyone says it. If not Armageddon than natural disaster still attributable to god. It is Us and no one else that has brought this about or will.
I am sorry for ranting.
My only point is it does not matter if it is aliens or man that has caused these things The fact is we will suffer for the beliefs of others no mater what we do. All we can hope for is that we can love someone and be loved in return. There is no greater treasure in life.

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« Reply #697 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 5:28pm »



Yep.

There are some good teachers though too. I've spent a lot of years visiting many churches. I've run across a good few.

Saw the damage personally in N.O., Biloxi, Gulfport ect., during Xmas. Much worse then the television made it out to be that's for certain. While on Interstate 10 from Beaumont, TX south to N.O., and then back to 10 towards FL my daughter was counting blue roofs. She lost count.


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« Reply #698 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 5:37pm »

Woody, all of my family is still in the New Orleans area...Harahan, Chalmette, and Slidell. I know how the devastation affected so many there. About three weeks back when went through Biloxi and just seeing ho wit still looks, I knew I couldn't go into New Orleans or Chalmette to see what was left of my family's places.
Thankfully they all survived, but a couple of my brothers who had to be rescued from a roof in Chalmette have been haunted by the nightmarish thigs they saw when they broke through their roof and looked around. I can see where they might be more easily influenced by someone teaching pretty much anything at this point. They seek a way to understand the incomprehensible, a way to find some sort of peace after such upheaval and turmoil.
So, now I think I can understand what is happening inside your mother. She has seen what must have appeared as the end of the world at the time it was happening. And indeed parts of her world ended.
I cannot begin to imagine the pain and torment she might feel inside.
And despite her misunderstanding about the carvings, or should I say it might be misrepresented to her....she needs to feel that continuity of your love that is so apparent.
And I know what the Bible says about the images, but I can't imagine that God wouldn't want a mother to cherish gifts from the hearts of her children.
I know I am just rambling here, but I can see with that information how desperately she might be trying to make sense and find peace.
My thoughts are with all of you at this time, and even more as the one year mark comes nearer.
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« Reply #699 on: Jul 13th, 2006, 5:02pm »

I just stumbled across another site reporting an alien saying the same things about Judgment Day as the previous site - http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/ra/harvest2.html - this time it's from some alien named 'Ra'. I merely found this while skimming for out-of-body accounts. The aliens seem to take different forms and use different names when talking to people, but they always talk the same. The Judgment Day story is told in several alien encounters, with or without mentioning 'God' or anything religious, and in every case, they do everything to downplay the massive death of humanity. In this one, the near-extinction of Earth life is called an 'inconvenience'. A post on Ashiana's site talks about someone who was told the same thing - http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Alien&action=display&num=1150671582 - except the 'experiencer' apparently wasn't even informed of the near-extinction that comes with the oncoming '4th-density Earth'. Robert Monroe had gone out-of-body and seen images of the 4th-density Earth that's supposed to come after the near-extinction. Howard Storm saw it as well in his near-death experience; the new Earth is expected to be a place where most technology is forgotten and people spend their lives doing nothing other than raising kids. More crops for the invaders, apparently.

On the above page, it's said that the 'transition' can take 100-700 years "depending on the choices and actions of people here" (this is said for intimidation), and in Howard Storm's account, they say "God wished to usher in the Kingdom within the next two hundred years" - http://tanaya.net/Books/phs-nde/index2.html - This is why religious people and hierarchists are not simply an idle threat - they'll literally destroy the Earth if they're left alive for too long.

The Bible is far more blunt. 3000 years ago, the angels/invaders said upfront that they would kill off at least 90% of humanity in the worst ways possible. They didn't care what anyone thought and didn't hide how anxious they were to spread utter carnage. Nowadays, they're choosing their words carefully, saying Judgment Day simply 'has to be done', hiding the fact that they arbitrary want it; they call the oncoming slaughter an 'inconvenience for Earth'; during abductions, they talk gently and tell people the pain is for the good of humanity, and in NDEs, they kindly tell people they have to return to their pain-wracked bodies to 'spread the word of God'. Why the sudden need to lie? Why are they now concerned with what we think? They're starting to sound afraid of us.

I think they're nervous. It's evident, from the abductions and creation of humanoid forms, that they really are creating a new race and aren't bluffing when they say they want to kill of humanity to make way for this race. But they once said Judgment Day would come nearly 2,000 years ago, and several times since then, and nothing happened. It seems to me that they've noticed our skills in the art of war and lack of gullibility - they know we'd tear them inside-out if they tried to take over, and now they've resorted to friendly psychological manipulation for control instead of outright threats.

True or not, it'd be nice if someone went to the aliens' planet and 'inconvenienced' them until they're a race of mutilated corpses.
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i dont particularly like religious people either, but i would like to ask if you if by religious you mean anyone believing in God, or just man made religion? are you saying that spiritual people who believe in God are
a threat to the world and will destroy earth if left alive too long?

Also , do you honestly believe that aliens are angels that are described in the bible? would you mind telling me how you come to that conclusion, ? you always write aliens/angels in the same sentence, and was wondering why you thought they were the same thing?
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« Reply #701 on: Jul 13th, 2006, 7:34pm »

I'm certain Jehovah exists, and that there are others like him, so I'm only talking about the people who follow deity-worshipping belief systems. (I should be more specific next time)

The angels talk exactly the way the aliens talk, if you read through any detailed accounts of what they say. Beside that, they aren't Earthly no matter how you look at them - even if they were physics-defying beings from other dimensions, they'd be alien one way or another, and I've explained to death how their urge to kill anyone who disobeys is not exactly a good thing. Some people have argued "the parts of the Bible displaying angels as violent are fake or mistranslated" but you can see what angels are up to today by reading through NDEs and other experiences about them, and like I said, the only difference between angels now and angels in biblical times is that they now cover their brutal nature by twisting words. It's suspiciously similar to the way governments have changed over the same time period, and inseparable from alien behavior.

You can search for yourself on any engine - http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=%22near+death+experience&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 - there you'll find multiple accounts from unrelated sources. Compare them with accounts of aliens - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&rls=en&q=channeling+aliens+%224th+density&btnG=Search - and you'll notice they're both bent on the same subject (I added the "4th density" part to prevent false positives). Or just search alien sites and angel sites in general - either way they all talk and act with the same deception and psychological control techniques you'd see in a politician. They rarely give real answers to questions, they talk about slaughtering mankind in a soft, matter-of-fact tone, and almost enjoy it; they're all bent on wiping the Earth clean in a future 'purification'; and they always say things along the lines of "if humanity doesn't do as we ask, there will be a very 'dark' period in the future" or, simply "bad things will happen", "there will be a 'depression'".

You won't find an abduction where aliens say "we're bloodthirsty killers and we'll destroy you all with our ray-guns"; it's always "we're your gracious holy guardians and you'll do as we say if you know what's best for yourself."
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« Reply #702 on: Jul 13th, 2006, 8:19pm »

personally zareste i think you have one pretty messed up view of angels and aliens. its quite obvious to me that you dont know the difference and are totally influenced by what you read on these so called NDE's. i also believe you have no insight to what the bible is even remotely about. im sorry to say this is not a subject i can debate with you simply because you dont even comprehend the very simple basic difference of aliens and angels. perhaps in time, when you have learned and have some years and experience under your belt we can discuss this, but at this time, youre not even truly sure of what you believe since you dilly dally back and forth about so many things. its certain and obvious you have no idea the difference, so that would certainly be a requirement on my table for me to even begin to discuss such things with you.
dont mean to be disrespectful, but i suggest you do some reading, research, and perhaps get an insight as to what you are even attempting at discussing. i guess its true some people do have blinders on their spirtual eyes, even tho they pretend to know what theyre talking about. so, not wasting any time on any more responce to your postings about angels,since your answer revealed all i needed to know about your experience and knowledge in such things.
thanks anyway
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xx Re: UFOs and Aliens
« Reply #703 on: Jul 13th, 2006, 8:23pm »

on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:02pm, Zareste wrote:
Nowadays, they're choosing their words carefully, saying Judgment Day simply 'has to be done', hiding the fact that they arbitrary want it; they call the oncoming slaughter an 'inconvenience for Earth'; during abductions, they talk gently and tell people the pain is for the good of humanity, and in NDEs, they kindly tell people they have to return to their pain-wracked bodies to 'spread the word of God'. Why the sudden need to lie? Why are they now concerned with what we think? They're starting to sound afraid of us.

I think they're nervous. It's evident, from the abductions and creation of humanoid forms, that they really are creating a new race and aren't bluffing when they say they want to kill of humanity to make way for this race. But they once said Judgment Day would come nearly 2,000 years ago, and several times since then, and nothing happened. It seems to me that they've noticed our skills in the art of war and lack of gullibility - they know we'd tear them inside-out if they tried to take over, and now they've resorted to friendly psychological manipulation for control instead of outright threats.

True or not, it'd be nice if someone went to the aliens' planet and 'inconvenienced' them until they're a race of mutilated corpses.



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I think you may not be far off the mark on this. At least as far as the fear and apprehention of the aliens. It also appears that in orbit above the earth things are heating up as well. Take a look at this page . It has some intresting video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9080369676973948865

This is a page that has a video of NASA and soviet space footage with commentary and 32 min. of film. It is compiled of cuts from ground based control rooms, shuttle, and MIR spacecraft.
Some of this can be explained but a great deal is way out there. It appears that we are in the middle of an invasion at some points.

I have seen other film footage from the shuttle program that looks like a craft gliding above the earth in an arc following the contour of our globe and a streak of what has been conjectured to be a burst from a pulse weapon which attempted to destroy this craft. I have tried to view this as what the scientists at NASA describe to be ice particles caught in an instant of reaction to attitude thrusters.

I cannot bring myself to accept this.

The actions of these particles do not appear to be in response to
the thrusters. They move prior to the flash of thruster gas and travel in opposition to the thrust that was applied by the jets.

I believe this is video footage of a craft that was tracked and
targeted. The streak of amorphous light energy that transits the
point that the smaller, brighter object was about to intersect was
a weapons discharged from the surface by persons unknown.† I
believe it was an attempt to destroy or damage the object that was
targeted. The smaller white object is seen making an abrupt reversal and change in trajectory away from the path that this streak of light takes and does so as if anticipating its point of intersection.
It is only after this that the control jets are fired and we see the
light from their ignition. There are countless other instances of craft or objects describing radical course changes and appear to be controlled because of them as evidenced from the page I began this post with. The evidence is substantial that these craft are real and controlled.

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xx Re: UFOs and Aliens
« Reply #704 on: Jul 13th, 2006, 9:04pm »

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I have seen other film footage from the shuttle program that looks like a craft gliding above the earth in an arc following the contour of our globe and a streak of what has been conjectured to be a burst from a pulse weapon which attempted to destroy this craft.

There's an interesting interpretation. I always figured the flash was a result of the object simply taking off, like it was just there to do whatever and leave.

I happened to read an out-of-body account where a person intended to go to space, and accidentally teleported into an alien ship. The alien - though startled at the person's presence - said the ship was guarding the Earth. I found the story believable because the alien asked the person if they were an enemy, the person said no, and the alien believed him without question - outsiders tend to be strangely trusting; also, when asked, the alien said the ship ran on 'condensed light' which is interesting because the ships run on electromagnetism, which creates light - 'condensed light' sounds like a subjective term used by someone who can run the vehicle but doesn't know its inner workings. The person giving this account came off as a whimsical unscientific person who would never have thought of all this.

Either way it's a simple fact that our skies are inhabited and would only make sense if someone were guarding the planet from up there. What's scary is that those guardians are almost definitely the bad guys, working to keep the friendly aliens away. It would explain why the only contact we get is either with the enemy, or with a crashed ship.
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