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« Reply #780 on: Aug 12th, 2006, 10:19pm »

One more thing Mew

Your last two posts were much easier to understand and I was impressed with your command of the language you used.
However you did not compose it without flaws.
I , on the other hand, ( with 49 years of use and understanding) do not compose my words without flaws.
The study of english was never my long suit.( this means I did not like it or try hard to understand it.)

I wish you well with your quest to find a way to tell your story. I will attempt to help if I can but I am not a teacher and have no wish to act as one. I do not have the patients or the desire to instruct others in things I am still learning myself. I may well give you the wrong answers to your questions and the way I do things may not be the way you should do them.

My best wishes to you and if you ask I will do what I can with no guarantees that my answers will be something you can use.

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« Reply #781 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 04:34am »

Oh yes, English is my second language.
Actually it was my language whenever I stayed in India that means also during this experience.

But whatever you think about it, I don't consider the form in this case as much important as the content.
And it is the content I 'm truely concerned with, not the style being the most correct one.

Understand, please, that during 4 hours of night when I had been to the ship, plenty of things happened.
Instead of seeing something rather simple to relate I've seen complicate technology systems, beings who looked more complex than we do, order of happenings which passed over two weeks on the other side.
This is probably time dilatation effect of the other zone otherwise there is no way to experience so many events in quick succession.

I don't know how it could be classified in human language, but no way it is something I could forget.

Though there were many people around, everyone was either sleeping or not aware.

If it was just a glimpse of memory , whose nature I can't discern, I would not probably bring it here to discussion.

As far as my nature goes, I'm not much assertive or ambicious person and feel rather shy to talk about personnal matters on public.
I am however used to teach philosophy and meditation in more than one language over past 12 years.

But this event was very exceptional compared to everything I've ever seen in my life , very informative and clear, so I feel, that it's my duty to share with others.
It's not my mistake if some, most or any people are basicaly unable to recognize truth from lie.
This is not my mistake.

I remember that when I was a child, I was often blamed at home for little things which I've never done.
My mum was ''so sure'', that whenever she approached me and started to ''explain'' me things, my face was often red, which was taken for ''a sign'' and I was not only accused for braking something but also for that I tell a lie.
Adult people, who appear so righteous and just, still never believe, that truth is not their property.

And it is one of the basic lessons I've got that time and much later as well.
That most people around use little lies and compromises with truth in order to survive.
Later , when they truely encounter doubts about what is true and what is not, they can't find out even on producing much effort.

I mean to say that if , by chance, I'm not taken seriously because you can't believe it to be true, it's not my mistake either.

This is the reason exactly why I took it on ufocasebook, not only because it is about e.t. life, but also because I'm well aware of controversial or cowherd reactions of avarage person if I start relating the story.

But in my opinion it contains basic information about origins of mankind which can't be yet obtained from any indirect source.
I was not a sort of alien fan that time , yet I became one in the following years, because the subject just dragged my attention.

I do believe nowadays all of these abduction stories and conspiracy theories to some extent, because I've seen things in my own eyes and I've had few more experiences of e.t. encounters, which left me no doubt that those things exist.
You see, I don't suffer from hallucinations and never did in my life, actually I'm the least one ready to believe things, which I can't experience myself.
I'm not the type of person to see ghost in every corner or Mother Mary above someones head.
I've been concerned with quite sober buddhist meditation over few years and didn't have any nightmares or simillar visions that time.

I agree that now I'm much more sensitive than before this happening and that I started to investigate my own and others dreams and experiences, which I never did before.

Well, but still this is not a kind of event you can see everyday and it was probably not caused by myself at all. Even after I woke up, there was such energy and lights in the room, which organizedly left up after while,
that I didn't have doubts about reality of this event.


So all I want is, that this event or rather its content is checked and classified properly, because if I've seen that alone, doesn't proove its nonexistence !

And because of most people feeling ''so strange'' about it, they would rather hear some nice, simple explanation, like : you've had a dream, vision, memory of other world.
Forget it or jump to the river but we are not going to consider it seriously.
So who is responsible for my life and death ?
Aliens ?

Ok, i am not going to get upset. I will patiently try to relate things again, if someone is willing to listen to it.

I've done it already but I'm not sure if everyone was just on holiday or if they found it too difficult to judge.

I don't know yet how it would be named...

Thanks for attention smiley

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« Reply #782 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 05:26am »

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With regards to your patience and understanding :
Don't think, please, that I'm getting extra exalted about relating the event many times. It's something very mentally demanding and recquires deep attention on my side at least. So I am not in favour of doing it too often.
In my opinion, it would be enough to tell this to ''the right person'', someone who could make a good use of that, someone working in science and familliar with e.t. contact , someone working for peace, tolerance and freedom of information among humanity, someone with enough technical background and experience in dealing with such things. Someone who would be really interested to know what was it over there.

If you know somebody like that, please , tell me.
I am getting uncertain, how many times in my life I'll be able to relate this story, it's very life connected matter.

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« Reply #783 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 05:58am »

Mew wrote: Quote:
But this event was very exceptional compared to everything I've ever seen in my life , very informative and clear, so I feel, that it's my duty to share with others.
It's not my mistake if some, most or any people are basicaly unable to recognize truth from lie.
This is not my mistake.

Mew hon, and you HAVE shared it with others, here hon. whether most people believe you or not is not what counts. what counts is that you are being true to yourself in posting what your experience was. i believe you, unfortunately , as much as i can understand your awe and bewilderment, confusion, mixed feelings, at your vision, experience, it is something you HAVE to learn to work thru yourself or with someone who is capable of helping you work thru it. otherwise, it can tear your life apart hon. it can leave you hanging between two worlds, two dimensions, never feeling whole again.

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So all I want is, that this event or rather its content is checked and classified properly, because if I've seen that alone, doesn't proove its nonexistence !
i completely believe you mew, completely hon. but as for checking content, and classifying it properly, other than you had a vision, a glimpse into the past that showed you that a spaceship crashed/landed, that showed you technology not yet used, there is no proper way to check content and classify it properly other than you had a very mystical experience that showed you something very deep and meaningful to you. perhaps it was meant for you alone, perhaps it is meant for you to share, as you have already. but to break it down peice by peice is not something people will do because in the end, if there was a message, it was probably was , that perhaps our ancestors arrived here by a crashed craft.
My whole life has been revolved around beings, experiments, milabs, abductions, pain, testing, since as far back as i can recall mew. ive written about it, that is the best therapy one can have. share it with others, but as far as demanding they listen to me, as far as demanding they believe me, that i have something to share and no one is listening, that is not something i do. my job isnt to make people "understand" and "explain" what happened to me. my job is to try to step back emotionally (hard at times trust me), and post the things i have experienced. the rest is up to the people. i cannot demand they clarify each abduction and break it down. i cannot ask them to do the work for me, i cannot ask them, demand they believe me. why? because i am so confident in myself, that i know what has happened to me that i dont need validation from anyone. i dont require explainations because i doubt seriously anyone really can explain exactly what i have gone thru, as no one can really put into a neat box what you experienced. it will drive you crazy if you cannot learn to handle to seperate a certain part of you that you show to the world, and the part that has experienced things most people never have. its like living two lives, it IS living two lives. right now it seems you cant seperate it and it is wreaking havoc in your life hon. (i'll respond to your email today sweetie)
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But in my opinion it contains basic information about origins of mankind which can't be yet obtained from any indirect source.

That may very well be so, but what exactly is the basic information? we have read what you have posted, like i said i believe your experience, but i cant but feel that it was meant especially for you to witness for a personal reason. if you share it with others, they'll read it. im sure some probably believe you like i do as well. but there is not much we can "do" with the info that you have given us. Like HJ said, "there's only so much we all can do in this reality and the sooner we all learn that, the sooner we find peace". i have found some form of peace with my experiences, but at times i find the pendelum swinging the opposite way, as when i have to discuss certain things. but for the most part, i have dug deep inside, and found some form of peace to where i will not allow it to take over my life completely. Its not that we think what you saw is a mirage, hallucination, dream, a delusion, its just simply we dont know what to do with your information mew. so we read it, disect it ourselves, say yes it was an experience, wonder what it meant, but we wont allow it, to totally consume us with questions about it hon. that is not a healthy choice. for if you allow it to consume you, you will be living between two worlds, two dimensions, as you say you have been lately. Get grounded hon. HERE. step back, and view it not as an experiencer, but as someone viewing it from the outside. its much better to do so, as one can become too emotionally , physically , mentally drain if you constantly keep placing yourself in that same position, viewing it as the experiencer, seperate yourself from that part. examine it from the outside, as if someone else had told you about it. this gives you a clearer head, to decipher things. i believe you hon. im just worried as to what its doing to you, it seems to be tearing you apart. as if you NEED an answer for what happened. sometimes mew, there are no answers hon, i dont have answers for half of what has happened to me, and when it comes to physical, emotional pain that was done to me, id like one, but there is no answer , there is no justice, no revenge. sometimes mew, there simply are no answers hon.
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« Reply #784 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 07:33am »

Your kindness is really amazing , Queenofhearts, but I'll tell you , what I think about all these secrecies and conspiracies and mysteries.

You can guess 3 times.

I have to leave for today but I'll try to explain something later.

Thanks and regards to all of you

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« Reply #785 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 10:40am »

Hi Mew smiley

“Well, but still this is not a kind of event you can see everyday and it was probably not caused by myself at all. Even after I woke up, there was such energy and lights in the room, which organizedly left up after while,
that I didn't have doubts about reality of this event.”


I have had a similar type experience Mew….. And, I want to say I believe you.

And because of most people feeling ''so strange'' about it, they would rather hear some nice, simple explanation, like you've had a dream, vision, memory of other world.
Forget it or jump to the river but we are not going to consider it seriously.
So who is responsible for my life and death? Aliens?


I can remember feeling just like you too……and its very frustrating. I don't even talk about it anymore.

I think your command of the English language is superb Mew.

Queenofhearts you are fantastic!


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« Reply #786 on: Aug 13th, 2006, 12:27pm »

Mewtwo, I wonder if you would be interested in reading some of the text in THE URANTIA PAPERS.

http://www.urantiabook.org/newbook/

I came across this accidentally, and I was very fascinated by it. There is so much to it, that I don't think I have the intelligence to understand it all. But it has all the details about the Universes, God, all the planets and systems, angels, etc. It's very involved and I can't even try to understand some of the titles and names. I would love to learn about it, but it looks so complicated to me.

I was thinking if anybody would understand it, it would be you, Mewtwo.

Would you look it over and tell me what you think? Thanks.
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« Reply #787 on: Aug 14th, 2006, 1:32pm »

Thanks to all of you , it's really nice to be among people who don't stop thinking, pondering and feeling for subtle entities, both spiritual and extraterrestrial ones.
It's nice because this world seems to be too busy to notice that something else than itself is happening.

I didn't notice yet, if my own message found the way to others or didn't. Yes, few people have read it. Still fewer understood.
I don't blame those who couldn't because it might be completely my mistake of not explaining things properly.
It's not question of language or producing special effort.
May be just question of time and talking to those who might know what is it all about.

There is strict boundary still between those who met some aliens and those who didn't.
That means , some people advocate perverse views about alien entities , just because disbelieve, lack of information offered to public, lack of research on the subject, which again gives rise to imaginary explanations of possible e.t. life.
I am no way expert on ufology. I am just completely occupied with my own experience .

But to my defence I have to say, that I'm not that ignorrant that would suit perhaps to my age and status,
and I devoted my life to search for truth since I was teenager.
To fullfill practical side of this search, I've left to India when I was 19, spent most of time by study with authentic teachers, and sharing back in my country whenever I've got back.
I never sold myself to cheep forms of spirituality and religion and didn't judge truth through visions and dreams.
I hope to stay sane in dealing with my mind as I know that it reflects other peoples minds and feelings, happenings , questions and doubts, but basicaly remains same under all these or above, whatever you say, deep inside it is entity, identity, being.
I always thought that the deepest soul of ours has no form, no name , no atributes.
I thought it is rather spiritual entity with no concerns about science, technologies, problems of this world.
It was my conviction which harmonized with other peoples ideas including teachers whom I revered and followed.
Whatever teachings are meant for public, they don't contain the truth, I say nowadays.
Why ? Because truth is more complicate than any single idea, it's not an idea at all.
I don't mean special truth belonging to God or Gods ,
don't mean truth like believe of some people, I don't mean X-file truth that says that we were created by aliens or something like that.

Still I want to say that there is a truth, world of truth and that we all are part of that. And if I say that most of you don't know it yet, it's not , I hope, derogatory statement.
I didn't know it untill 28. And there is no question if I'd believe to someone telling me in human language that truth is such and such. I might believe him, if he spoke the truth. But I've never heard such a thing I've seen later from anybody.
It was not parallel to any of my teachers words, it was not simillar to movie, to any legend or anything like that.
It was less mystical than my lunch.
It was more complicate than all of science I've ever encountered on Earth.
It was not suggesting voice out of nowhere.
It was not empty picture passing through my mind.

Sorry, but all those appearances cause people occassionaly to claim the truth.

So I am just telling what it was not.

And it would take me probably hours to explain all I mean to say about it, if I there is time and meaning to it.
I don't enjoy explaing it to myself.
I've the picture still in my mind and it explains me all.

But because there were no words of spoken language among those beings, just deep and complex thoughts, more complex than those we think now,
I was not given any clue or directions, how or in what order to share this with fellow human beings.
I have to stress my empathy and imagination in order to do so .

And I don't know how much value does it have, some of you said, that almost none.
May be it's me who does not know how to give value to such a thing, called truth.

Is it my truth ? It's not my truth.
And it would stand against so many of prevalent theories about nature and existence of humanity, that I feel very minute in comparison to such majority.

If you think that I should make it my inner treasure and mystery, it sounds temptating.
But is it honest ?

And is it possible if I've got this precious piece of truth in this age of chaos , to keep it for myself, as people did , perhaps, since deep past and as a result we all are still ignorant ?

What kind of enlightenment would it bring to me - selfish hope for my own salvation ?

Yet, I'm not stadium preacher and have no interest in establishing new ideologies. It doesn't interest me at all.

I'm certainly first to feel touched , mystified, purified and disoriented about it, but the great part of why is it so lies in the difficulty of communicating it very ordinary way to other people.

We all tend to run to two extremes . From my point of view, one of those extremes is being in favour of some theory or idea so much, that we can't listen to anybody else.
Another extreme is total disbelieve that truth exists at all.

May be it sounds surprising that I keep murmuring about truth , but I wish to make you sure that there is such great thing.

And it's also the main point when the story starts and ends, and where my experience was positioned.

Because it was not that much about others as about ourselves and it was not simple but very complicate.

And I surely wish to explain that properly and not make any mistakes, because each of those tiny mistakes twists the resultant picture in your mind what it was all about.

You see, I do believe you. I believe your intelligence, empathy, ability to see within yourself.
Why would I talk to human beings, if I though it has no sense ?
Just because you disbelieve yourselves ?

It's my responsibility and if I can't make it useful, I will feel that I failed. And I will not be able to live for any lesser things anyway, I am not going to make democratic compromise with myself, I'd feel frustrated and living in vane.

It's more than my teachers could ever give me , it's something quite original. And if I've got to know it at this time, it must mean something.
It means that others could see it as well. It means that we are on crossroad and we'll have to decide where did we come from and who we are.

On the other hand I think, that there is no meaning to act like a fool, appearing alone among headless crowds and individuals.
I won't survive it. After all, it was very deep and demanding experience. And dealing with it directly can make one tired.

Among all our knowledges, it's just a detail. But it should be considered seriously.
And if you think that there is no way how to proove it , I think there is...but not in my hands.

So I'll come back whenever you who have not read it yet want to hear that .

I'll read the Urantia pages , but whatever I glimpsed on them, it would be more beneficial if I keep stating whatever I've seen than offering counter-comments.

What is your idea ?

Thanks to all involved for offering me precious advice , councel and sympathy

Wish that you all keep posting,

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And appart from that Queenofhearts is certainly correct in her observations.
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smiley Star,, I've just opened the Urantia papers and I have to tell you , that I just don't like it.

And if you are my child or my mum, I'd just tell you, please, don't read this mess, not that it doesn't contain glimpses of truth , but it is not true in generall.

And if you have pure spiritual outlook at this world, it's thousand times more interesting and would lead you sooner or later to more complex understanding.
Instead this pile of gossip.

It's not even copy of religious system, it's sad parody on the previous and exagerated imagination intriquely interwowen between fragments of reality.

If by chance anybody falls to believe and follow whatever is written there, he could could become terminally ill and die on bed of ignorance.

Poor prophets...




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« Reply #790 on: Aug 14th, 2006, 7:15pm »

OK Mew

You have convinced me and everyone else of your sincerity.

Now I want you to tell your story.

I want you to describe exactly what you saw and please try not to embellish it with useless comments about how true and real it is. We accept that you believe these things happened and are trying to tell us with all the clarity you posses.

Lets get on with it.

In your last long post you said nothing of what happened or how it occurred. You made it clear how much you were distressed at not being accepted and believed.

We get it. You do not have to repeat yourself again.

Please tell the story.

No more no less.

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« Reply #791 on: Aug 14th, 2006, 8:12pm »

I see. I've just thought that it has to be explained properly .

Tomorrow , now I have 2:55 a.m. and I'm already sleeping. I'm not sure that you would apreciate sleepy information.

It's written down there in another thread, few people already read it, that's why.

Those ''useless comments'' are there for me and you to help each of us to discriminate between things.

There is no special use though of stating facts to face expected counter reactions, I've heard hundreds of them already and I'm not in a state to undergo any brainwashing.

I want to convey the info to kind and intelligent beings.

Kind approach and open mind are in your free disposal.

Am I right ?

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« Reply #792 on: Aug 14th, 2006, 10:45pm »

That will be fine with me Mew

I would like you to be as clear and concise as you can.

You asked me for my help and I am now attempting to give it to you.

Those who choose to interpret your descriptions as some other thing can not see what you saw.
Their opinions are not of value and should be ignored or placed on the sideboard until your story is told in full.
Your experience is yours alone.
No other person can experience it as you did.
You must accept that.
You may not be able to convince everyone that this is a fact and something you saw and not imagined.
This is not your problem.
It is theirs.

Your job should be to relate the facts as you remember them.
Start your story just before you were transported ( Kidnapped,abducted ) and end with your return.
Stick only to the facts and do not embellish anything.
Try to describe things in the simplest terms and do not add the emotional aspects until you have related the bare facts.
Then and only then should you expand on the emotions and fill in the things you felt and surmised.

You must accept that you will have people say you are mistaken.
This is how the world works.

We all suffer this same thing.

The way to avoid problems is to state your facts and then discuss the possible explanations of what happened and why.

I hope you will be able to do this.
I feel you will have greater success in telling us what you think and have experienced if you attempt to use this format to tell your story.

Good night and I hope to see your next post in a few days.

Woody


P.S. I think it should take at least three tries to get it right. So don’t give up we will all be patient and wait for your story.

Remember to look for your ego and anger. Remove them from your story. Do not contradict yourself. Make your sentences as short and simple as you can.

Look for ands and ors and run on sentences. Look for any thing misstated and reword them to better say what you want us to here. Take your time and give it your best effort.
I think you will be well rewarded for this if you can do it.

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