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« Reply #810 on: Oct 3rd, 2006, 11:00pm »

Some of the biggest experiences in the history of mankind-experiences that make us question our sanity, our reality, and our place in the universe-and my own mother doesn't believe me.

I think we have to be here for eachother. No matter our opinions or beliefs, we are in this together.
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« Reply #811 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 01:01am »

on Oct 3rd, 2006, 11:00pm, Kol wrote:
Some of the biggest experiences in the history of mankind-experiences that make us question our sanity, our reality, and our place in the universe-and my own mother doesn't believe me.

I think we have to be here for eachother. No matter our opinions or beliefs, we are in this together.


Don't feel alone, I have family on both sides that think I'm in league with the "Devil" himself, not to mention the church asking me to leave if I didn't change my personal thoughts as apparently there is no room for God and life elsewhere to co-exist...

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« Reply #812 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 07:26am »

Fr. Balducci, who is at the Vatican (you can google his name), has been speaking out on TV and other places, regarding the fact that extraterrestials exist. He says that the Vatican is quiety investigating this subject. So at least they are looking into it, meaning they feel there must be something to it.

My husband is a non-believer, and he wouldn't even believe in ETs if a space ship landed on the lawn here. That's how closed minded he, and others, are.

Here's a link for you: http://ovni.free.fr/religion.htm
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« Reply #813 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 09:28am »

Thank you all for your great replies to my posting. It is true that we have to stick together and communicate with each other, at the exclusion of friends and family and the general public. Nobody can understand our personal experiences with psychic or UFO unless they have had similar experiences. Here are two of my greatest experiences, which appear in my books. I've had many contacts and communications psychically and physically with Angels, UFOs and other dimensional beings. I do not believe that I have ever been abducted by the laboratory UFOs.

1. In the 1970s I was working as a clerk in the Grand Central post office station and I was going to work. It was about 3:40 p.m. on a day in July. I was south of Lexington Avenue on East 42nd Street in Manhattan and walking very briskly while trying to dodge the heavy pedestrian traffic.
As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly felt my skull in the back of my head had been removed in an area of about 5 inches in diameter. It felt to me as if I was having a lobotomy operation and I could feel the coolness inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head had become numb. This feeling of numbness was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the pinching off of a nerve.

Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an eye in this “missing” area of my head, a disk shaped spacecraft which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This craft was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle magnetic breeze. I was able to “see” into the interior of the spacecraft whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 7 inches tall. They all had white skin, black hair, gray eyes, and they all looked identical in appearance. They were each dressed in a gray colored mechanics type overall, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised plastic type molded chair. He was facing a crescent shaped keyboard of many different colored lights. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the music organ at Radio City Music Hall. I “knew” that this keyboard was the operating panel for the spaceship.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the vessel toward the center. The third “man” was bent over a central support column which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the center axis of a gyroscope. He was peering into a black binocular type sighting device, which somehow reminded me of a Norden bomb-sight. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.

Then I saw what looked like a steel cable coming from the bottom of the spacecraft and connecting to the back of my head, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a communication connection had been made from the spaceship to my brain. The cable followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was connected mentally to that spaceship.
During that day at work I tried to believe that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as an hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house I saw a brilliant flash of silver light streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored metallic object. This silver light traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow. At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, exactly 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a confirmation from the spacecraft that my experience had been real.

2.In 1956 I just recovered from the flu, and I felt very weak and tired. At this time I was visiting my mother and she noticed my weak condition. She advised me to go lie down in a bed upstairs. I laid down on the bed upstairs, and I had the following dream or vision experience.
I appeared to have what started out as a dream in which I saw myself being pursued by an unknown invisible force and terrified, I knew I must escape. I was running through backyards and back alleys and each time I came to a fence, I would climb over it and find myself in another backyard. Finally I found myself in a gigantic courtyard completely different from the other backyards. The floor consisted of black and white marble squares set in a checkerboard pattern and at a great distance ahead on the far side of the courtyard, eyesore of black rule of high-end fence at least 12 feet high.
I started to walk across this courtyard, wondering how I was going to surmount the high fence at the other end. As I was almost in the center of this courtyard, I became aware of a gentle breeze blowing on me. As my dream figure stood there the breeze became a little stronger and more so until it was a wind, and then it became the strong wind of a hurricane. I stood there confused not knowing the origin of this mysterious wind. The dream figure asked itself, where did this wind come from? This is not part of my dream. Then the strong wind knocked the dream figure down and I lay on my back in the dream unable to move. Then I was seized in the grip of a powerful magnetic force and I was slowly being pulled upward as if I was going up in an elevator toward the sky.
At this point I became aware of three separate states of consciousness. I saw the dream figure being drawn up into the sky, I saw my physical body lying on the bed, and I was aware of a higher entity overseeing this entire experience. As I was resisting the pull of this magnetic force, I felt that my soul was being pulled out of my body and this would mean my physical death. I extended my arms both in the dream and in my physical body to ward off this magnetic pull. When I was halfway between my bed and the sky an ecstatic feeling came over me, and permeated my entire body, mind, and soul. This feeling was a feeling of pure love. This love was so beautiful and pure that my total being realized that this force taking me up into the sky was the Creator taking my soul home to its source.
At this instant I reached up with my arms in the dream and in my physical body to draw me toward this beautiful ecstasy. At this time I had no thought of anything on this earth, not my mother, father, family, or the friends. Only the overpowering joy of yielding to this supreme force. Then, abruptly, there was the sharp metallic sound of a door latch being closed in the hallway. Instantly the dream figure stopped in midair. Then slowly and at the same rate of ascent, the dream figure began to descend as if it was an elevator until it entered the physical body. When the dream figure reentered my physical body, I heard very clearly a metallic sound like a heavy safe door being closed and this sound seem to come from the back of my head. I then realized that the dream figure had joined with the physical body and I was a whole person again.
During this entire experience, my entire physical body was paralyzed with a numbing and tingling sensation which is similar to when your foot "falls asleep". Slowly the tingling sensation began to wear off and soon I was able to wake and resume my normal physical movements. I was never the same after this experience and my value system changed and I realized that there are many dimensions of reality and that living on earth in a physical body was only one dimension of reality.

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« Reply #814 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 09:59am »

on Oct 3rd, 2006, 10:56pm, skaroth wrote:
i think your right, it is unfortunate that a large preportion are still relatively narrow minded, as it does have somewhat of a stagnation effect on general progress.


Yes, narrow minded but also at the same time, there are many that do not want to really know the truth even though they suspect it themself. They feel safer not knowing. This was to be expected and I'm sure the aliens use it as a tool.

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It is worse in my country, the uk, than it is in america i think.


Considering the size of the UK, yes, you did get the lions share over the past few thousand years.

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If we do get a report on television or in a newspaper of something strange, there is always a subtle sniggering humour to it which has a large influence on how the average person will judge the story, and in turn judge the people who take it more seriously. The fear of embarrassment or being wrong is still holding us back. Another good example is the science fiction programmes we produce now - almost all comedies. The BBC recently resurrected Dr Who, which they turned into a pop culture joke - says a lot.


Television and movies have both hindered our trek to inform people positively without a bunch of interference from what they've come to believe based on the work of a screenwriter. It's amazing how much people believe or do not believe simply because it's on their mind already from a movie that they've seen. Instead, the television & movie industries have made a mockery of the possibility of UFOs and alien contact.


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« Reply #815 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 6:38pm »

I wonder if the time here on Earth is going to roll on untill we become wise enough to believe each other, untill scientists and priests will represent simillar cattegory of intelligent persons prepared to face new possibisilities and the fact, that even common human life is an adventure, that we don't live in books written in past, but in presence, that our thoughts and languages are living matterial which is developing continuously, that unpredicted things were happening always and are going to happen. That we are not able to see that far to live without surprise , and to be honest in science means to say I believe but i do not know. And that I do not know is nothing to be proud of and it's mostly caused by that i didn't do enough.

So till those scholastics inhabit in their dictionaries possibility of e.t. encounters, they'll keep protecting their innocence , preaching dogma and offering people to aliens voluntarily.
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« Reply #816 on: Oct 5th, 2006, 2:02pm »

I think we have to redefine intelligent. To my way of thinking intelligent people are curious and open-minded and have an overwhelming desire to know and to understand. That makes them a minority. It is unfortunate that we look to the leaders of the world for guidance and information, yet most of them are control freaks who serve special interest groups who do not want change. Therefore, do not expect help or improvement for the human condition from people who deal in misinformation and dogma correctness to enslave and dominate the people of this world. I believe that the only help for the human race will come from the Heavens and not from the Earth.
Understanding should be an individual search. I do not trust the human race, I only trust the Angels.

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« Reply #817 on: Oct 5th, 2006, 4:33pm »

We are really getting some emotional answers here. I'm glad we are stirring up some controversy. Complacency is the death of freethinking. Most of my life I have been searching for people like myself who do not accept this world or its limitations. I am a dreamer and my dream is that this world could be a better place and that science and medicine and philosophy should be more advanced then they are now.
At this point in our evolution we should be immune to sickness, using a different type of energy system for our space vehicle for space exploration. We should be using the free energy that exists throughout the universe. We should be utilizing and accessing the other 95 percent of our brains.

I am very disappointed in our progress. I believe we have to make a quantum leap in intelligence and consciousness-raising to survive.

It seems that the only progress that has been made on this planet is bigger and better weapons for war. Imagine what would happen if we spent the money that we use for war on medical research and sociological improvements. Think about it, Irwyn cool
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« Reply #818 on: Oct 6th, 2006, 1:06pm »

This next experience reflects my dilemma regarding whether some UFOs are really Angels?

"When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were interested in UFOs. I was interested both in psychic development and UFOs, and they wanted me to go with them to George Hunt Williamson in Arizona because he was contacting UFOs.

I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience. I went to bed one night, but before I went to sleep, I had the conviction that I was going to meet a U.F.O. that night and make a contact. I went to sleep, and I had a “dream”. In this “dream” I saw myself at a train station that was elevated above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was waiting to meet someone from a UFO, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look unusual. He probably would have an antenna coming out of his head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody abnormal looking.

As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a “man” walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody weird, and here was this normal looking “man” walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed him and he said to me, "Mr. Greif I believe you're waiting for me". I looked at him and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical Madison Avenue advertising man. When he said I believe you're waiting for me I knew that this was my "contact".

We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene changed. Instead of a modern street, it became a biblical desert. Time was turned back to the time of the Old Testament, and I saw that this desert was a plain that stretched out in front of me. At the end of this plain was a silver river. We walked together side-by-side alongside this river.

As soon as this scene had changed, this “Person” who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met “Him”, started to grow until “He” became 6 feet tall and “His” clothes became the biblical robes of a Prophet of the Old Testament. When I was walking next to “Him”, I felt that I was in the presence of a Being who was God-like. I was awed by the magnificent vibrations of this great Being. I felt so humble and so respectful.

The Being talked to me into my right ear, and I remember turning my head because “He” was taller than me and I wanted to hear what “He” was saying. He talked into my ear and I cannot remember the words, but I remember that “His” voice was like pure liquid silver and “His” words went through my ear and into my Soul. I was told at that time that I was given teachings that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words when it was right for me to remember, and that these words were impressed deep into my Soul."

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« Reply #819 on: Oct 6th, 2006, 1:36pm »

When I was being psychically developed in the 1970s, [on a crash program basis], I was fortunate to be taught by UFOs [Angels] and I realized certain things about them as follows;

These Beings never do anything at random or without a definite purpose. They are capable of thinking on seven or more levels at the same time. They can manipulate Time, Space and the environment. They can read the minds of people from a great distance away. They can travel inter-dimensionally. They can alter the reality in our World. They are technologically thousands of years ahead of us. We cannot comprehend them or their technology.
They desire to teach us and to help us to rise to a higher level of understanding and evolution. Somehow, they are responsible for us. They do not wish to harm us, only to save us from ourselves.

We should take advantage of this opportunity as it only comes once to a planetary civilization.
Instead of us committing planetary suicide let us learn from these UFOs instead of trying to shoot them down in order to capture their advanced technology to control this planet!!!!!!!


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« Reply #820 on: Oct 6th, 2006, 8:46pm »

It all comes down to what you think our problem is.

I don't think we can save us from ourselves. A favorite Einstein quote of mine: "problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." I get so frustrated whenever I see "protesters" on the news or so. Protesting seems so useless to me, because people protest against things that we *all know* are bad! I *know* high murder rates are bad. I *know* global warming is bad. But I *don't* know how to fix these things. I never wanted them. So when you protest, you do nothing. Spend your energy on a solution, not a protest. I think it is so much easier to complain than to be a man (or woman) and just fix something. Protesting or complaining gives you an outlet and lets you feel as if you've accomplished something. It's an easy way out. I feel that all of us here are better than taking the easy way out.

I don't think angels with religion can come down from heaven and save us either, though. I have pre-existence memories(albeit strange ones). I know that being a very strong, very determined spiritual entity who struggles for love and wisdom still can't stop all these bad things from happening. I didn't succeed. Love, wisdom, and the desire to "do right" or especially, "put things right" are not the means to success. I have walked that path. It's not a happy one.

I don't think aliens with high-end technology can come down from heaven and save us either. Makes me think of my problem with doctors and modern medicine. Super strong anti-death rays are not the answer. Medicine treats the symptoms, not the disease. And I can see no difference between the aliens' save-humanity-technology and modern medicine. So I say the government is wrong when they think they can manage to hold the world together-whether it's by alien secrets, forceful democracy, or both.
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I don't accept this world. I don't accept its limitations. More than that, I don't *believe* in this world. This is not real. I refuse to believe it. I know, somehow, somewhere inside, that this is not IT.

Thus, my focus is not on how to save myself from this world. My focus is on how to find the real world, the world I have been hoping to see all along. I want to escape, because all of this -stuff- that's going on in the world,...it's not me.

Whew...what a nut I am! wink

So, do aliens exist? Yeah, I think it's a pretty good bet they're here. I've experienced some strange things...but I refused to be overwhelmed by it all. Nothing in this world will any longer plow me over. So just because some greys show us a "cure", i won't automatically raise up my shirt sleeve to get the shot. I won't take the easy way out, and I will question everything, because this reality is not something I believe in.

"...so I fix my eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For, what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. "
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« Reply #821 on: Oct 7th, 2006, 2:38pm »

Kol, thank you for your very impassioned reply. It is very difficult for me to explain what is involved. Firstly, when I speak of Angels I do not speak of religions. Religions are man-made and indicate the limitations of the human being. When I speak of Angels, I speak of higher frequency energy beings from other dimensions who have no sexual identity and cannot be comprehended by the human mind. They're not coming to save us.
The "Angels of Light" will come in 2012 to evacuate the life forms on this planet as an end to the human experiment. The laboratory UFOs have been extracting sperm from the males and eggs from the females in order to create a new hybrid race as the next generation of the human race. The new hybrid race will contain some of the genetic structure of the previous human race, such as the emotions, but will also include genetic material of the Saurian race such as expanded mental and psychic abilities. Only the selected offspring of the abductees will become part of this new hybrid physical race.
Other beings who are the "fallen Angels" will be restored to angelic status and be relocated to other dimensional worlds, which are not physical.
In order to comprehend this cosmic transition we have to let go of almost all of our teachings and belief systems to be able to understand the "big picture". Very few of us are capable of this understanding. Are you?

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« Reply #822 on: Oct 7th, 2006, 7:27pm »

Yeah,...I *think* I understand, at least in my own way.

For a long time now, certain beings have been acting as guides and teachers for us. If we are willing, they can help us raise our vibrational rate and allow us to become more enlightened.

The high point of this will be in the near future (you say 2012), when they will come to take certain, enlightened humans with them to the world they have prepared. Not everyone will be able to make this trip.

This is from what I was taught.
A few years ago, I also believed that some of us were never meant to inhabit these bodies, but became trapped in them due to low karma, etc. Thus, the cycle of past lives and present...we are trying to recover what we have lost.

Is this close to it?
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« Reply #823 on: Oct 7th, 2006, 7:48pm »

I'm a big fan of Sylvia Browne and what she says rings bells with me. Loud bells. laugh
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« Reply #824 on: Oct 8th, 2006, 04:13am »

on Oct 7th, 2006, 2:38pm, timetraveler wrote:

The "Angels of Light" will come in 2012 to evacuate the life forms on this planet as an end to the human experiment.

Other beings who are the "fallen Angels" will be restored to angelic status and be relocated to other dimensional worlds, which are not physical.


timetraveler, I had a look at your site. It is very interesting. In fact it is beautiful. You have done a lot of work.

When you say they will 'evacuate' do you mean move them somewhere else or exterminate them?

What status do 'fallen angels' have now - this is the second time I have seen a report of fallen angels and it interests me.

Thanks timetraveler for the help grin
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