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« Reply #855 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 1:08pm »

Hello Members, I just joined today and I was reading some of you thoughts about UFO's.
I'm one of the few that believe that we where made by visitors many years ago by altering or dna with theirs and the ape's that were on earth at the time, many, many years ago. And they do come visit us and see how we have progressed over the years.

Anyway, I'm happy to be aboard here an I just wanted to say hello.

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« Reply #856 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 1:11pm »

Welcome aboard, stlkenny. The more the merrier. Pull up a chair and stay awhile. This is a good group. There's a welcoming introduction topic and you can tell us about yourself there.
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« Reply #857 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 3:13pm »

on Oct 10th, 2006, 1:08pm, stlkenny wrote:
Hello Members, I just joined today and I was reading some of you thoughts about UFO's.
I'm one of the few that believe that we where made by visitors many years ago by altering or dna with theirs and the ape's that were on earth at the time, many, many years ago. And they do come visit us and see how we have progressed over the years.

Anyway, I'm happy to be aboard here an I just wanted to say hello.

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I suspect that too stlkenny. I have a feeling that we would have eventually gone the way of the neanderthal, had there not been DNA intervention to some degree.

I don't necessarily believe yet that we have some of their DNA rather than a change made to ours.




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« Reply #858 on: Oct 10th, 2006, 7:27pm »

Actually, you know, I saw a show two or three days ago about the neaderthal. 'Said he was so strong, the muscular system actually bended the bone structure around them. Kind of made them bowed, I guess. The program showed where this had happened on both his arm and forearm, even down to his little finger.

So if the neanderthal was so much better than us(look at the gene pool...we could do better), do you guys think *they* had something to do with him?
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« Reply #859 on: Oct 11th, 2006, 3:18pm »

I think that we are the main aliens here and let homo neandertalensis be the lost descendant of apes.
We are the ones who mixed with them.
Because some of us had gone too low to do it.
But they have died and we didn't.
Did we believe in improving our living force by mixing with apes ?
Now most of people are not sure, who are they. They say human, something between angel and monkey , in best case. To be human means to be mixed up and uncertain about ones origins.
To levitate between good and evil, God of all things and God of impulsive behaviour , trying endlessly to join those two consciously together..

I don't say i like the way it is. And I believe strongly that we are to win over the animal archetype included to our biofields , because our original intelligent pattern is going to work it out ...by the time.
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« Reply #860 on: Nov 11th, 2006, 3:22pm »

According to the Urantia Book, as things evolved, the primates evolved, too.......and then one day suddenly twins were born to a primate. These were the first humans. Their names were Andon and Fanta. It was a real leap in evolution, so there is no "missing link". These twins were as hairless as we are and by the time they were about 11 years old, they had developed their own language which they couldn't seem to teach their parents. They decided to go off on their own and when they made their first moral decision, God put the "spirit" in them. They call it the "thought adjuster". This is just a minute part of the Urantia Book.
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« Reply #861 on: Nov 12th, 2006, 5:20pm »

I have read your postings and I do not agree. I've spent most of 76 years searching for the answers of creation of the human race. The Christian Church and most of the religions of this world are based upon man made religions in order to control the people. I am posting chapter 2 of my latest book. I hope that I do not offend anyone by this posting. This posting is only part of the answer.

"Chapter Two
A Story of Creation

This is what I have been taught regarding the Creator and creation; everything in existence must be a part of or a combination of the three states of being, which are spirit, mind, and body. This is the actual “Holy Trinity”.
Visualize the Creator in its original state as pure energy. What is “It”? What are “Its” dimensions? What is “It” capable of? These were the questions that the Creator asked “Itself”.
The Creator realizing that “It” was “potential” and not “actual” decided to create from the body of “Itself” by converting pure energy into matter.
[This awesome process of converting energy into matter is called “crystallization” and the church has misinterpreted this process and built a religion derived from this transmutation process and called it, “Christ” and has personalized this process into the man called Jesus.]
In the “beginning”, there was no form or structure, only a void and darkness and everything were pure energy and the energy was the Creator [God]. The Creator in order to “experience” “Itself” and to learn about “Itself” decided to create souls in “Its” own image so that these souls could be a mirror to “Itself” and everything in creation was to be the classrooms and schools for the soul’s education.
Then, in the center of the universe, [womb of creation], in this void and darkness there was a gigantic orgasmic explosion of energy and “bullets” of energy were propelled, and some of this energy became universes and galaxies and solar systems, and some of this energy became souls.
In our first incarnation our souls were sent to mental and energy worlds where we could exercise our mental and energy powers. We could create and destroy with our minds.
This was like our “play pen” where we could express ourselves and explore our powers safely without harming anything or anybody. In these first classrooms we had no restrictions or limitations put upon us because they were non-physical mental worlds.
In our next incarnations we were sent to more complicated worlds that had some restrictions and limitations. In each subsequent series of incarnations there were more and more restrictions and limitations. The purpose of this curriculum was to teach us by experience. We were students in a, “school for Angels”.
Now we are in a three-dimensional world classroom called earth which is spiritual, mental and physical. This is the most difficult school for Angels.
We are the "fallen Angels" referred to in ancient books. However, we have descended from Angelic to human in order to learn through the experience of working through limitations and restrictions. Now it is graduation time for some of us. Some of us will ascend again to Angelic. Those souls who embrace the physical world and the human animal form will be reincarnated into a hybrid physical world. Those souls who reject this physical world and have raised their consciousness level will ascend to mental and energy worlds. This selection process will be similar to the adage, “like attracts like”, and it will be the individual soul’s level of consciousness that determines the direction of its future incarnations."

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« Reply #862 on: Nov 13th, 2006, 08:48am »

It's nice, Time Traveller, that you don't agree with us .
I don't agree with anything either.
I understand that we are very far from the idea of ''creation'' of life, moreover, life as such can not be created. Life is infinite and neverending, reproducing itself in all forms of intelligence in universe , we can't find its beginning and end , here and anywhere else.

Life is synonym for creation and no one posesses life other than life itself and our attempts to find out ''how'' he does, are attempts to dissolve ourselves .

Our ancestors were pure beings who believed in Allmighty even if they were on much higher level of spiritual and technical development, that they even did not believe in evil and fight between good and evil, we can't imagine such pure existence, at least for most of us it is beyond conventional abilities.
Yet such primordial worlds exist, existed and we came from them.
We didn't believe in prophets and prophecies and chosen individuals .
We used to think about milleniums and more than that on single wave-lenght , we used to fly across universe.

And now we are here and suffer.
And imagine special religions, special people to come ,
we imagine Divinity of injustice , who is just to some of us and not to others. What kind of God is God of injustice ? Why do you call injustice his right and mystery ?
Because we have to suffer and most of us have no explanation for that and we give Him the responsibility.

We believed in Life , creative power which gave us all at the beginning as our Mother and Father, and it was good.

We were endowed with the highest possible intelligence and even if it's sleeping right now, it's not going to disappear.

Once we regain our senses again, we will understand better.

All of us, not just someone...

And we will rediscover free will, because what else is blocking our free will than lack of intelligence and intuition and sense of righteouness...

And we won't imagine evil thoughts and images, if our brain cells won't get demaged and won't be comitting suicide, those brain cells do it almost continuously at the moment.

It might take a time yet than our life systems overgrow the gravity force of this planet and start recovering to their previous forms.

I don't dare to guess how long it might take in general and it makes me feel very little in comparison to truth and time etc.

If anybody has an idea how long we have to stay here, please let me know.
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« Reply #863 on: Nov 14th, 2006, 2:57pm »

Newtwo Etal: It is easier for me to post selections from my second book to present my beliefs and my psychially obtained information. Here is another quote from my book.

"Chapter Three
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In my psychic communication, I was taught that, a long, long time ago the Creator summoned “His” Angels and vested in one Angel, called Jehovah, the power to create physical matter, but not to create souls. “He” commissioned Jehovah to create a new world system to educate the “new” souls, and “He” gave him the third and fourth dimensions for this project.
“He” gave to Jehovah thousands of Angels to assist him in this task, and “He” assigned to him many “new” souls who were created from the body of the Creator. Jehovah chose the Angel Satan to assist him in this project.
Paradise, or the “Garden of Eden”, was the first experimental environment for these new souls but it was not a physical planet but a mental dimension world. These “new” souls were called Adam because they were the first experimental group.
When our souls were first separated from the body of energy which was the Creator, we were individualized with our own identity, we had the same potential powers as the Creator, but we had no knowledge or wisdom and we did not know how to use our powers.
These “new” souls had no incentive to learn or to evolve but only desired to enjoy the “perfect” world that had been created for them. There were no crises or problems or changes and this was a world that they could control mentally.
Jehovah realizing that “Paradise” was too godlike and could not produce a proper learning environment decided to split Adam into two physical bodies being male and female and remove the Creator powers from these souls.
The souls that were given to Jehovah originally were complete and androgynous but Jehovah decided to divide these souls into male and female and to clothe them in flesh bodies to enable them to experience the physical and emotional experiences of pain and pleasure in the different sexes. [This is why we instinctively search for our “soul mates” in order to be whole again].
Jehovah also decided that an experimental world should be created that existed on the principles of polarity and duality. The planet Earth was selected for this new world system. This new world existed on the principles of positive and negative, light and darkness, pain and pleasure, life and death. This world, Earth, depended upon the sun for its life-giving energies and for its reflected light.
Jehovah assumed the role of the positive god and Satan assumed the role of the negative god. Between these two opposing polarities they attempted to create a, “school for Angels”.
A new system was designed by Jehovah and Satan to educate these souls through the experiences of physical life and to learn by cohabitation with each other, lower life forms and the environment. This curriculum was called karma which required that these souls reincarnate interchangeably as male or female physical beings in a cycle of about 40 lives. This system of teaching was based on the action and reaction principals of cause and effect.
For instance, if you injure someone in this life, then in a subsequent life you will be involved with this same person and become the victim in order to enact a karmic retribution, thereby, maintaining a system of justice and balance. The system of karma and reincarnation was designed so that when we have completed our cycle of karmic lives we are to be raised out of the physical kingdom and returned to the Angelic state. That is the intended purpose of this system which was formulated for the evolution and teaching of the soul.
Now that this system was designed, the souls needed physical bodies. Jehovah delegated the Saurians to create the physical human being as a “new” form that did not exist in the universe. [Contrary to common belief the archetype model for the human race was not created by the Creator, or Jehovah or Satan, but rather by Saurian beings.] The Saurians designed and created our physical bodies as experimental biological tribes of humans. This is “confirmed” by some "contactee" reports of some “abductor” aliens stating that they have the “right” to perform invasive procedures on us because they created us. Our souls are in the image of the Creator, but not our bodies. We are an experimental physical race designed by Saurians.
These Saurians have bodies resembling giant lizards and they have sometimes been referred to in mythology and folk stories as dragons. The human race physical form was modeled similar to the vertebrae of the saurian race.
Why were the Saurians chosen to construct the physical bodies for the human race? Because they were from the fourth dimension, which is compatible to our third dimension and because they are very advanced and experienced in genetic research and technology.
When the Saurians created the human body they purposely built in some limitations. The immune system was designed to be unable to regenerate itself or to overcome diseases and environmental hazards.
The brain was compartmentalized so that the conscious mind and the subconscious mind could not function simultaneously. The brain was constructed with a neuron circuit block which prevented the human being from accessing more than 5-10% of his or her mental capacity.
This was done intentionally to limit the human race and to make them more dependent upon the authority and supervision of the Saurians. We were not intended to be free. We were not intended to be self-sufficient and independent. We were “designed” to be the slaves and pawns of the Saurians."

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« Reply #864 on: Nov 14th, 2006, 5:11pm »

smiley So it seems that these Saurians were quite a monsters if they did this to human beings and blocked our way to independent evolution.

I don't think that there is someone up there really responsible enough to claim that he created us, because our original truth bodies were created by the highest life force itself, which is very difficult to understand for us in present situation.

And the highest life force does not talk perhaps.

But who does talk are various kind of advanced beings , some call them angels , others deities or gods , now even we say e.t.s and seeing us in that much trouble of unfortune, they call us their children.
But i don't think that they are true parents, they might be kind of ''adoptive'' parents trying to take care of us at certain times.

If we had just one parents,it would be nice, especially if there wouldn't come the problem with Saurians.
Nowadays, how many space ''genoms'' are mixed to our original biological code, who can say...

Let us look at various human races arising on distant places of this planet . Isn't it quite probable, that different e.t. civilisations had given them seals of information which altered and influenced the way how they developed ?

Yet i believe that we all are basicaly same beings who will at the end follow the way of their origins.

I guess, from my own experience only, that all of the psychic channelings depend on the level of information which you enter and each of those levels is like a circle closed to itself, system with concrete clues and rules and directions.
And i would also suggest that various advanced e.t. races are also responsible for inserting those systems to our mind, systems complicate enough that we believe in their creators .
May be that the stories of ''next comings'' derive from there, because they know that after long period of time to pass they will drop here and pick up their marked ones.

Otherwise it would be much easier for us to believe in one God and unity of humankind.

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« Reply #865 on: Nov 14th, 2006, 8:32pm »

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When the Saurians created the human body they purposely built in some limitations. The immune system was designed to be unable to regenerate itself or to overcome diseases and environmental hazards.


Maybe our bodies were made with a strong immune system in the time that we were created as we did not have the pollution from big business in those days. Some reasons that our immune system does not funtion properly in this age is probably because of our diets and stress, and also as I said the pollution that it has to cope with now from big business that it didn't have to cope with in the time it was created. We are destroying ourselves, so we cannot blame the Saurians for that.


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The brain was compartmentalized so that the conscious mind and the subconscious mind could not function simultaneously. The brain was constructed with a neuron circuit block which prevented the human being from accessing more than 5-10% of his or her mental capacity.
This was done intentionally to limit the human race and to make them more dependent upon the authority and supervision of the Saurians. We were not intended to be free. We were not intended to be self-sufficient and independent. We were “designed” to be the slaves and pawns of the Saurians."

What do you think? Irwyn


This could be due to a number of factors, and maybe it was done to protect us from ourselves. I know that when I went to an Alpha Dynamics seminar people were displaying that we can actually access these other compartments. And there are many holy people on this earth that do so. We are told that we are given free will, and I believe its our choice whether we want to open these other compartments. I know that it can be done.

I do not believe we were created to be slaves by the Saurians, we are slaves to big business and the rich and powerful and we have allowed this ourselves by the society we have set up.

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« Reply #866 on: Nov 15th, 2006, 6:22pm »

The easiest way for me to reply is to continue to quote from my second book.

"The Mayan calendar predicts that our present civilization will end in the year 2012. This coincides with the UFOs laboratory ships deadline to finish the hybrid race and DNA experimentation by the year 2010.
This means that some time between the years 2010 and 2012 the hybrid race will be ready to replace the existing human race as a “new” race.
According to psychic information which I have received, the "Angels of Light" will come sometime between 2010 and 2012 to “audit” the Saurians, “human race project” and to supervise the evacuation and relocation of our civilization. Will the Saurians attempt to display the “newly” designed hybrid race as the culmination of their work?
Many of us have been contacted by Angels who are assisting us to “bypass” incarnating into the future hybrid race by raising our frequency level to enable us to graduate from the, "Wheel of Karma" and to regain our Angelic birthright. We have been “slaves” and now it is time for us to become free!"

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« Reply #867 on: Nov 15th, 2006, 7:50pm »

Ya, I think that's what it all comes down to: regaining our angelic birthright.
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« Reply #868 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 03:56am »

Excuse me this intersection, but i'm not sure if i understand it correctly...

According to my own knowledge, ''Angels of Light'' are not quite the same thing as ''Saurians'', i'd rather say, that Angels of Light and Saurians are not sharing common opinions on humankind.
Do you expect ''battle'' for souls to happen over here ?

If there is altered human race being created here, i don't think that i'm the one to support it.

I guess that something like that might be going on and Timetraveller is just brave enough to write it down, i woldn't and most people don't ever notice that this is happening and they won't notice even in 2012,
except some local celebrations i don't think that so much will happen on the physical plane.

But if those Saurians already did a lot of work on their hybridisation project, they will outnumber Angels of Light, who will try to save our ''original birthrights''.

So i really wonder how this will end up...
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« Reply #869 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 05:50am »

Hi Irwyn

As we are supposed to be 4 years out on our date.....it should be 2010 next year.

http://www.florilegium.org/files/TIME/calenders-msg.html

Bede calculated Creation to have occurred 3,952 years before 1 CE, making it (in 1991 CE) the year 5943 AMB, while Eusebius calculated
5,198, making it (in 1990 CE) the year 7189 AME.

The year of the Christian Nativity must be ascertained by historical and chronological research, since there is no certain and harmonious tradition on the subject. The Christian era, which was introduced by the Roman abbot Dionysius Exiguus, in the sixth century, and came into general use two years later, during the reign of Charlemagne, puts the Nativity Dec. 25, 754 Anno Urbis, that is, after the founding of the city of Rome. Nearly all chronologers agree that this is wrong by at least four years. Christ was born 750 AU (or 4 BCE, if not earlier.

According to Mt 2:1 (comp. Lk 1:5, 26), Christ was born "in the days of King Herod" I,"the Great," who died, according to Josephus, at Jericho, 750 AU, just before Passover. This date has been verified by the astronomical calculation of the eclipse of the moon, which took place March 13, 750 AU, a few days before Herod's death.

Allowing two months or more for the events between the birth of Christ and the murder of the Innocents by Herod, the Nativity must be put back at least to February or January, 750 AU (or 4 BCE), if not earlier.


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I guess that something like that might be going on and Timetraveller is just brave enough to write it down, i wouldn't and most people don't ever notice that this is happening and they won't notice even in 2012,


I have a lot of respect for Timetraveler and always read his posts. I believe he is very spiritual and has great insight.

Millions upon millions of people do not know or even suspect anything, or even believe in UFO and Aliens for that matter, let alone the Mayan calendar. Its only those who are brave enough to break the social mould and go searching.

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Our souls may have agreed to this thousands of years ago......it may have been some kind of experiment, we don't know, and may not know in the physical.

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