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« Reply #870 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 3:28pm »

Contrary to popular belief, we do not choose what we come here as, or even if we wish to come here. The obvious proof of this is why aren't we all born rich annd handsome?

You remind me of a vision that I had a long time ago. In this vision I saw myself as an adult body and there was a white cloth tied tightly around my forehead, which I believe was to hold my mind inside my head. There were two Angels, one on each side of me and I knew that they were putting me in the, "birth canal" to be born. I did not wish to be born into this Earth system because it was a physical World and I was used to existing in a mental World. But in spite of my objections, I was forced to be born. So, I was born into this Earth system under protest.
But I have realized that I was not born to punish me but rather to teach me and for me to be of use in the transition of this Planet from an animal World to a more Angelic World.
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« Reply #871 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 5:00pm »

I'm against any kind of violence , especially on mental plane and i can't really imagine angels forcing someone to enter the birth channel, well, may be they have done this for joke, because in my imaginary world angels are capable of jokes too .

My idea on how i've got here (on simillar wave ) looks like that i insisted to visit the place because someone was telling that earth is really very special and interesting and that you can get lot of lessons here.

I remember someone warning me much before i voluntarily jumped ''out '' of the place i was staying ,
but i was exalted to go on a trip. Even before i got here, they sent someone after me, but i don't think i've met the person yet.

Now i feel like if i comitted crime and want to go back.

Isn't it funny ...after all.
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« Reply #872 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 5:07pm »


I'd also like to know how would these human-saurian hybrids look like .
Would they be more intelligent, more adapted to local environment ? More spiritual and ethical ?

Or just the reverse ...

If you say hybrids, i tend to imagine perfect businessmen in grey suits with computer like mind and not much emotions, eating just a little bit, sleaping 4 hours a day, working 16 hours, not making mistakes,
trying to clean this world from dust ...

Anybody has an idea ?
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« Reply #873 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 8:49pm »

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Contrary to popular belief, we do not choose what we come here as, or even if we wish to come here. The obvious proof of this is why aren't we all born rich annd handsome?


I had a very different experience than you Irwyn. I was dreaming and my conscious mind became fully awake and I found myself in the stars wondering what had happened. Then I heard a very commanding male voice talking to me. He said come with me and I will show you a different plain. So I went along without any feeling of movement. He said, "Souls come to Earth to be challenged because in the spirit realms there are no challenges." He then told me to think of something that I wanted, and before I could even get the thoughts out, a home with high cathederal beams started to build around me, faster than the speed of light or thought. I was amazed at this, and understood what that spirit was telling me. I came back with a different perspective.

What challenges would there be in life if all were born rich and handsome or rich and beautiful? How would we learn compassion, understanding if there was no sickness or poverty? And, how would we know if we were rich if all were rich and there was no poverty? How would we know if we are handsome or beautiful if everyone was? We would not learn anything. Were are here to learn to rise to the challenge that life presents us, to become better people and to learn to help one another. Regardless of race, culture or religion, we are all the children of God. We are all one. I think one of our biggest challenges is to learn to honour all realities.

I didn't like it much here once upon a time, with all the manipulations and lies that people use to survive, the hostility, greed, backbiting, survival of the fittest etc. Its a real challenge on Earth when everyone is coming from their own perspective about life from their own lifes experiences. Some people are completely closed to anything that is outside of their realm of experience, others partly open, and many completely open and enquiring. Then I learnt to not focus on these things, instead focus on the beauty all around me in nature and be true to myself. I am grateful for every new day that I awaken.

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I am against any kind of violence too Mew, and on the mental plain, but its a real challenge sometimes!

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« Reply #874 on: Nov 17th, 2006, 5:04pm »

Nowadays i think, that apart from human beings (who knows who are these people ) grin there are many different e.t.s from different space civilisations who got here either by chance while being on travell or in different times when their ships had an accident somewhere nearby.
And because from our earthly point of view they are almost invisible and move often in other dimensional reality, we see them as souls and spirits of different cattegories.
It seems to me that quite few of them have incarnated to our ''human'' society with good and social motivations to improve the quality of life over here and
as people often say, to prepare ourselves for becoming communicable within the cosmic ranges of our space.
May be that some of them were rather trying to overpower and govern the humankind and did not succeed. May be that another ones were scientists with crazy and futuristic ideas or sci-fi writers.
And some of them spent all their lives in vane effort on how to become the best ''human'' possible.
I think that i've seen also few ''e.t.s'' who were born very intelligent but somehow too sick to stand these earthly environment.

Why i say this is because i had a lot of chance to travel and meet various people from many parts of this world and observe their characters and interests, and i found, that there are so big differences between people who could be called ''local aboriginees'' ( no matter if they are from the last Australian village or from San Francisco ) and between other , different kinds of beings whose mind is naturaly equiped with broader views almost from their birth, who are ''space consciouss'' and look at life with different eyes and often exhibit peculiar kinds of character too.
Sometimes , with an experience , one is blessed enough to meet few individuals of simillar specie, i'd say and that is when things start to give you a sense.

I'm no way swift enough to recognize, who is who, but certainly i recognize that even within our cosmopolitan society there are different types of intelligence displayed and some of them seem to be marked with e.t. like thinking.

I've often asked myself , if they are part of some larger and forceful experiment or if they are volunteers who came to help us with all matters.
As i've said before, i don't like violence but it's for sure, that whatever kind of scientific experiments are happening in all universe on or with living beings, there is this phenomenon of unethical and humilitating factor present .
It would be futile to suppose that we are more sorry for our lab animals than e.t. scientists are for us , it would be stupid to supose that they have no such experimental science. Which again does not put them into the ''good'' or ''bad'' cattegories, it just shows that none of us is really perfectly ethical unless he can afford to abstain from conducting violent research on living beings.

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« Reply #875 on: Nov 17th, 2006, 6:55pm »

When you ask what an ET will look like?


My quandary has been are UFO's really Angels? Or, are Angels really UFO beings? I have lifted one of my experiences from an earlier posting and I am posting it here for your perusal.

This is a common practice of UFOs to seed the minds of certain people for future awakening. This has also happened to me. I will recount this experience as follows;

Are UFOs Angels?

I have had several contacts and communications with Angels and UFOs. My dilemma is that sometimes I do not know if the UFO contacts are really Angels. Here are some examples from my book, "The Soul Is a Traveler in Time".

"When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were interested in UFOs. I was interested both in psychic development and UFOs, and they wanted me to go with them to George Hunt Williamson in Arizona because he was contacting UFOs.

I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience. I went to bed one night, but before I went to sleep, I had the conviction that I was going to meet a "flying saucer" that night and make a contact. I went to sleep, and I had a dream. In this dream I saw myself at a train station that was elevated above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was waiting to meet a "flying saucer" person, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look unusual. He probably would have an antenna coming out of his head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody abnormal looking.

As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a "man" walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody weird, and here was this "normal" man walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed him and he said to me, "Mr. Greif I believe you're waiting for me". I looked at him and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical Madison Avenue businessman. When he said I believe you're waiting for me I knew that this was my "contact".

We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene changed. Instead of a modern street, it became a biblical desert. Time was turned back to the time of the Old Testament, and I saw that this desert was a plain that stretched out in front of me. At the end of this plain was a silver river. We walked together side-by-side alongside this river.

As soon as this scene had changed, this figure who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met him, started to grow until he became 6 feet tall and his clothes became the biblical robes of a prophet of the Old Testament. When I was walking next to him, I felt in the presence of a Being who was godlike. I was awed by the magnificent vibrations of this great Being. I felt so humble and so respectful.

The Being talked to me into my right ear, and I remember turning my head because he was taller than me and I wanted to hear what he was saying. He talked into my ear and I cannot remember the words, but I remember that his voice was like pure "liquid silver" and his words went through my ear and into my Soul. I was told at that time that I was given teachings that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words when it was right for me to remember, and that these words were impressed deep into my Soul.

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« Reply #876 on: Nov 17th, 2006, 9:02pm »

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My quandary has been are UFO's really Angels? Or, are Angels really UFO beings? I have lifted one of my experiences from an earlier posting and I am posting it here for your perusal.


This has been my quandary as well. I have tried very hard to draw a picture of the Alien that appeared to me..... Drawing is not my strongest point.
He had tan coloured skin that hugged the bone, big staring eyes, no nose that I could see except little holes and a slit for a mouth. His demeanor was completely expressionless. He wore a black robe from the neck down so I am clueless to what his body looked like. He stood maybe 2-3ft tall, and could have been smaller. I am only guessing his height.......
This little creature just stared me out and I stared back trying to ascertain what kind of threat he was, and trying to figure what he was. (At the time I did not even imagine he was an Alien). Next thing I knew I awoke in the morning, but had a clear memory of its appearance. It must have been hypnosing me with its eyes. I felt as it was staring at me it knew everything about me, like it was reading my mind and soul.

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« Reply #877 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 2:40pm »

Luvey, your picture is completely amazing , you have great sense of reality...

Concerning the questions discussed above, i am sure , nowadays, that e.t.s and deities and angels are different names for one and the same thing, just viewed by different eyes.
They all are intelligent beings , some of them capable of projecting dream like images to our minds and awakening our own inner faculties.
I think that e.t.s mostly don't show themselves to people as they are, they are fond of sending visual messages and projections to our minds.
Thus people in all over the world think that they are encountering deities and angels and other heavenly forces but most of them are never initiated to the mysteries behind these pictures.
I've seen on one occassion that e.t.s are exactly responsible for inserting such images to peoples mind which actually answered me the question, where are these deities in reality and where do the visions come from.
They are mostly very perfect and pure visions which you would hardly ever create without lot of training in the scopes of your own mind.
I also suspect that they can come in dream like images of our own family members and friends if they wish and as kind of very special humans who lead us through dimensions as you have described.
From my point of view it makes the whole of communication slightly difficult and it is hard to understand why they have chosen this way of contact.

I'd always prefer to see them as they are, i don't feel frightened or annoyed with how they look and it gives me more sense of empathy and closenes .

I can't imagine though that we all would become so flexible through any major transformation that we would be able to function here and now on such high vibrational level.

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« Reply #878 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 2:55pm »

In reply to the question, do we have free will?

When I was being developed psychically and when I lived in the Y.M.H.A. on East 92nd Street New York I had this experience;
I was put into a psychic state and my mind was speeded up so that I could see my own thoughts, and as I "saw"
myself thinking a thought the Angels dictated a whole book to me. The message was very clear. We have free will, but while we are thinking of which direction we will take the Angels prepare the road for us. Their minds are thousands of times faster than ours so we can have free will but it will not interfere with Angel guidance. Irwyn cool
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« Reply #879 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 3:06pm »

As a reply to what Angels actually look like? Again I will post excerpts from my books and from previous postings.

"I have realized that all of the people who have reported seeing Angels, including biblical accounts did not see the actual true Angels. They saw representations of their own mental and religious expectations and beliefs. Let me prove my statements.

In that very famous story of the school children who were locked in the school building by a crazy bomber and his girlfriend. Before the bomb was exploded the children saw Angels who looked like the mother image, or the female teacher image and then these Angels protected the children from harm and death. This was the representation form that the Angels chose to take based on the expectations of the children.

Angels have come to me not in any humanoid form but as blue colored lights of pure living energy. But yet I believe that this was also a representation of my own mental and emotional expectations.
I believe that one time when I was writing on a sheet of white paper in my office when I saw a microscopic spark of brilliant white light that was so bright that it turned the white sheet of paper black, that was closer to the real representation of an Angel.
I believe that Angels cannot be seen in their true state of Being because of their high voltage and their higher frequency therefore they take shapes and forms convenient to the eyes of the beholder. Therefore, Angels do not have wings or resemble in any way the commonly accepted depictions".

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« Reply #880 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 3:12pm »

I think, that even if they are thousand times more sure about which way is good and bad , they have to let us decide and with most of us, they don't know, how we will decide and it interests them a lot.

This makes me feel like as if they are studying our behavioral and emotional patterns , unless they want someone to perform special task for them, so they program him with higher knowldege .

I don't like their experimental programs on human psychology whatsoever, even if they assure me that it will end up well and that they take care...
I believe that there is something we call in common human factor as well as there is pure cosmic intelligence and these two are capable of unpredicted behaviour.
After all, our nature is pure in origin and to put something pure to serious tests means often to destroy our sense of sovereignity and well being...

I'm not sure if i'm allowed to say this, but i've seen the technology that they use to contact people anywhere and they don't have to come here, they just stay home on their ship and if they want to target someone, they send image, vision of that persons favourite deity, which looks real, talks and smiles...

It's even more realistic than those images we see because of our secret prayers getting visualised, it comes of sudden and looks real.
In that sense i'd call them masters of deception.
But it seems that in certain cases , they just create lot of momentary positivity , making people feel better and improving their spiritual views...
I am not able to ''judge'' them for this..you know.

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« Reply #881 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 3:16pm »

Angels project themselves according to the mindset, belief system and comprehension level of the target person. As an example;

About 30 years ago I was attending séances with the famous medium Frank Decker. Frank had been a partner with the legendary psychic Arthur Ford and both had demonstrated their psychic abilities at a studio in the Carnegie Hall Building.
Frank Decker was a “trumpet” medium which meant that during his séances the spirits “spoke” through a two foot long conical shaped aluminum megaphone which would “sail” all around the room and “speak” to the sitters. His “control” was named Patsy who was supposed to have been the spirit of a teenage newspaper delivery boy who had died in a traffic accident. I psychically felt that Patsy had too much wisdom to be the spirit of a teenage boy and I believed that Patsy was an Angel in disguise.
During one of these séances my "deceased" grandfather Julius “came through” and spoke great wisdoms. I psychically could not accept this as being characteristic of my grandfather.
At this point in this séance I received a psychic message that séances actually do not involve "deceased" persons but rather involve Angels who impersonate deceased persons. This communication between dimensions is necessary to give comfort and peace of mind to the survivors.
I was further informed that, the "deceased" spirits are on mental time and they cannot slow down to communicate with living persons who are on physical time. The "deceased" have to be about their own business of reincarnating and learning.

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« Reply #882 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 3:34pm »

I think that most of us , we do certain basic mistake of underestimating the possibilities of our mind as such.

We tend to think that mind is something small like the individual sitting here and pondering.
If we allow our imagination to travel a little bit, we find not only images of deceased ancestors in our own mind, but also images of angels and prophets and Sons of God and e.t.s (if we ever met any ), all kinds of images we find.
And they are no way dead images, because all of our mind is quite alive, so these characters too are capable of communication.
They are not less real than reality, but because we mostly take a strong hold of our present personality , we can't accept such astral communication for really long time.
People who are called ''mediums'' are either naturally or after some training able to leave their self interest in ones own person to go completely for some time at least and they can contact these images which float freely in the universal subconsciouss of mankind or any individual.

But if truely words of great and still greater wisdom are being spoken, i would believe that they are communicated through the medium by higher forces,
because those higher forces, after all, always protect the mediums...
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« Reply #883 on: Nov 19th, 2006, 09:44am »

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Luvey, your picture is completely amazing , you have great sense of reality...

Concerning the questions discussed above, i am sure , nowadays, that e.t.s and deities and angels are different names for one and the same thing, just viewed by different eyes.
They all are intelligent beings , some of them capable of projecting dream like images to our minds and awakening our own inner faculties.
I think that e.t.s mostly don't show themselves to people as they are, they are fond of sending visual messages and projections to our minds.
Thus people in all over the world think that they are encountering deities and angels and other heavenly forces but most of them are never initiated to the mysteries behind these pictures.
I've seen on one occassion that e.t.s are exactly responsible for inserting such images to peoples mind which actually answered me the question, where are these deities in reality and where do the visions come from.


I was wide awake when I saw that being, and although it was about 4 years ago now, I can still remember it like yesterday. I have a photographic picture of that being in my mind. Although I know I did not see him with my physical eyes……I was fully conscious.
At first when I saw it I did not know what on earth it was. I never thought about Aliens……so I was telling people about it in a puzzled way, and I had some suggestions made to me (like it was some kind of animal spirit) but none helped. It was not till later that I discovered it was an Alien. I found out just recently that Whitley Streiber has mentioned this kind of Alien. I have never read any of his books, as you just don’t see them for sale over here. Once I ordered a book online and waited 3 months for it to arrive. (never again!).

You are right about the visual messages and pictures to our minds, because I am aware of this happening to me.

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I'm not sure if i'm allowed to say this, but i've seen the technology that they use to contact people anywhere and they don't have to come here, they just stay home on their ship and if they want to target someone, they send image, vision of that persons favourite deity, which looks real, talks and smiles...


In the book “The Hermit” he talks about their technology and he says they can see everything……and even know when the first hint of war is about to happen. The first word even spoken about it. He said that their technology can see into houses…..through buildings. And, when you think about the nature of particles I believe this is entirely possible. Just because we haven’t worked it out yet, does not mean to say it’s not possible.

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I think that most of us , we do certain basic mistake of underestimating the possibilities of our mind as such.

We tend to think that mind is something small like the individual sitting here and pondering.
If we allow our imagination to travel a little bit, we find not only images of deceased ancestors in our own mind, but also images of angels and prophets and Sons of God and e.t.s (if we ever met any ), all kinds of images we find.
And they are no way dead images, because all of our mind is quite alive, so these characters too are capable of communication.
They are not less real than reality, but because we mostly take a strong hold of our present personality , we can't accept such astral communication for really long time.


I totally agree with you Mew…..most people do underestimate the power of their minds. When I dream I see people I have never seen before, and speak to people in my dreams I have never seen before. How did my mind fabricate people I have never known before…..are we astral travelling? I think we are.

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« Reply #884 on: Nov 19th, 2006, 09:55am »

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In reply to the question, do we have free will?

When I was being developed psychically and when I lived in the Y.M.H.A. on East 92nd Street New York I had this experience;
I was put into a psychic state and my mind was speeded up so that I could see my own thoughts, and as I "saw"
myself thinking a thought the Angels dictated a whole book to me. The message was very clear. We have free will, but while we are thinking of which direction we will take the Angels prepare the road for us. Their minds are thousands of times faster than ours so we can have free will but it will not interfere with Angel guidance.


I have taken a different road. I tried to understand all the psychic things that were happening to me so I went searching. I devoured books looking for answers…..then I found numbers. I started to study them, and found that people came in types with certain traits, then I learnt to draw up charts. I discovered that our names travel on certain frequencies, and that when I laid down names on charts with the frequencies of each letter I could read lives. Now what is happening here? I thought we had free will? I really wrestled with this question, then I realised that our free will is our choice to be positive or negative. Every meaning of a letter has a positive side and a negative side. So if you act positively the positive events of the meaning of those letters will happen, and if you act negative the same holds true. I believe we are actors in a gigantic cosmic play of some sort, and each one of us is playing our role for better or worse. Just my point of view……I could be completely wrong. I leave it open, who knows what else I will learn down the track a bit. I never shut the door on learning.

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I have realized that all of the people who have reported seeing Angels, including biblical accounts did not see the actual true Angels. They saw representations of their own mental and religious expectations and beliefs. Let me prove my statements.

In that very famous story of the school children who were locked in the school building by a crazy bomber and his girlfriend. Before the bomb was exploded the children saw Angels who looked like the mother image, or the female teacher image and then these Angels protected the children from harm and death. This was the representation form that the Angels chose to take based on the expectations of the children.

Angels have come to me not in any humanoid form but as blue colored lights of pure living energy. But yet I believe that this was also a representation of my own mental and emotional expectations.


The being I saw was nothing coming from what I expected to see, I can assure you. But I can agree with what you are saying regarding people seeing representations of their own mental and religious expectations and beliefs. (you must not rule out fears also). An example of this sort of thing was shown to my class when I was in high school.

Regarding the lights…… I don’t believe that they were a representation of your own mental and emotional expectations. I have experienced orbs and I wasn’t the only one that saw them. I didn’t know the other person saw them too. So if what you say is right then that person and I were both seeing a representation of our own mental and emotional expectations? I don’t think so……
But I accept that everyone’s reality and experience is different……

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Patsy who was supposed to have been the spirit of a teenage newspaper delivery boy who had died in a traffic accident. I psychically felt that Patsy had too much wisdom to be the spirit of a teenage boy and I believed that Patsy was an Angel in disguise.
During one of these séances my "deceased" grandfather Julius “came through” and spoke great wisdoms. I psychically could not accept this as being characteristic of my grandfather.
At this point in this séance I received a psychic message that séances actually do not involve "deceased" persons but rather involve Angels who impersonate deceased persons. This communication between dimensions is necessary to give comfort and peace of mind to the survivors.
I was further informed that, the "deceased" spirits are on mental time and they cannot slow down to communicate with living persons who are on physical time. The "deceased" have to be about their own business of reincarnating and learning.


I don’t know if I agree with this Irwyn. I know that my own spirit is being taught while my body sleeps, but there are many things I cannot bring to daily reality of these nocturnal lessons. So my spirit is functioning through my body, albeit animating my body, but all its intelligence has to work through my body while on the physical plane. So when my body dies my spirit will be a whole lot smarter…..in its natural state than when its functioning through my limited physical mind. I don’t deny the possibility of Angels impersonating deceased loved ones though.
When my father passed over I took my mother along to see a medium, and it was amazing to watch this mans face change into my fathers face, and then take on my fathers mannerisms and voice, and talk to my mother about things only she and him knew that happened 50 years before. Something else too, one of my brothers could not be there to say goodbye to our father before he passed, but the moment of his death my father appeared to him hundreds of miles away and said goodbye to him. When I rang my brother to tell him, he knew the exact time my father died. And, my father died in a very cold sweat……… my brother awoke in a very cold sweat and saw my father standing at the end of his bed.
There are just too many different things that happen that we cannot put it into a box and say this is the way it is……because for all we know we are only touching the tip of the iceberg.

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