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« Reply #15 on: Jul 26th, 2010, 12:07am »

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/whitehousebeamoflight.html

I consider these UFOs over restricted airspace fascinating. The Stephenville UFOs were doing a fly by the Bush Ranch now we have one doing a fly by past the White House.

At face value you would think it is a testing of the boundaries and the UFO is testing the responses to these incursions.

I have also seen a number of these beams of light coming from UFOs but this one simply looks like movement of the camera. Considering it is at night it will be impossible to know.

If it is some sort of beam like others that have been filmed in the past IMO they are some sort of reconnaissance device collecting information.

I would consider this breach of restricted airspace (if real) very serious.

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 03:21am »

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/accusegovernment.html

Excellent piece, the idea that ET would help humans understand that they are humans from Earth. Rather than from their nation states is a very good point.

When you think that in most case's of control over a nation it is about a small group of people like politicians telling another violent small group of people to bash the living day lights out of a the general public if they don't conform.

It does put a different perspective on why the governments don't want to talk about it.

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« Reply #17 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 09:20am »

on Jul 16th, 2010, 10:17pm, GusB wrote:
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Im restarting my old thread I had here years ago due to recent events.

What I currently find fascinating is the amount of disinformation coming from civilian and military sources. At time's it is mind boggling and seriously looks like well developed hoaxes.

Other commentators in the UFO field also seem either to believe everything that is published on the internet eg Serpo, Source A and Drone sagas. These stories put the UFO community in a bind that went around in circles for years all of which none was verified or proven.

I would like to get back to the hard facts to what it is that we really know, which is not much.

In no particular order.

*UFOs are currently visiting Earth and seemed to be very focused in the region of Texas in the USA.

*The USA and their high tech aircraft simply can not keep up with these UFO's.

*Due to numerous abductions around the world describing an ET that we call the Greys. These Greys show little or no emotion and seem to have complete disregard for human rights.

*The American Government and Nasa seem to be unable or unwilling to release what they know.

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Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 09:20am, Seeker wrote:
Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?


Seeker,

I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

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« Reply #19 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 5:40pm »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am, bonehead wrote:
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I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

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I have read the entire abductions and close encounters of the 3rd kind here on this web site a few time's http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienabductions.html and the contact files . http://www.ufocasebook.com/aliencontactcases.html

My conclusion is based on that information and many other reports I have come across from other sources like the news and other UFO web site's.

I simply have not seen enough of what you guys are talking about. I find those stories inconsistent in frequency and one story from another I find is very different, including the type of ET.

With the Grey's they are persistent, frequent with multiple witnesses and physical trace evidence, occurring all over the world.

I am more than happy to review your files or links if you have them.

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« Reply #20 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 10:54am, bonehead wrote:
Seeker,

I have asked this question myself in the past. The conclusion I came to is that the abductee/evil troll scenario is the more attractive one because it affirms our innate fear of the unknown.

It is for the same reason that the news conforms to the "if it bleeds, it leads" imperative. People like their adrenals stimulated. Transcendent experiences only do that for those who personally receive the transcendence. There is no vicarious terror (thrill) in the "space brother" scenario. kiss

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Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 9:58pm »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm, Seeker wrote:
Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley


I concur with your post and IMO as diverse is our great sea's and oceans are with life I suspect that the universe is the same.

The Greys are in the truest sense of the word Alien. Unfortunately they seem to be the most frequent to Earth and seem to have their own agenda.

I positively look forward to meeting ETs with a greater sense of enlightenment.

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« Reply #22 on: Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 5:40pm, GusB wrote:
Hi there

I have read the entire abductions and close encounters of the 3rd kind here on this web site a few time's http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienabductions.html and the contact files . http://www.ufocasebook.com/aliencontactcases.html

My conclusion is based on that information and many other reports I have come across from other sources like the news and other UFO web site's.

I simply have not seen enough of what you guys are talking about. I find those stories inconsistent in frequency and one story from another I find is very different, including the type of ET.

With the Grey's they are persistent, frequent with multiple witnesses and physical trace evidence, occurring all over the world.

I am more than happy to review your files or links if you have them.

Gus smiley


Gus,

The question I was referring to was the one highlighted in Seeker's posting:


"Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?"

In essence, the contactees are a positive yang, to the abductees negative yin. In other words, they offer another side to the alien contact story. Contactees are generally frowned upon by those who study UFOs. The argument is that their stories are a little loopy and that they offer no proof for them.

That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

If you ignore the fantastic elements such as living on Venus or on a planet carefully hidden behind the moon, the stories do have a remarkable similarity.

Perhaps you can look up Contactees through google, which gave me some of these links. Here are some links for you:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/cokerwr/www/index.html/sbrothers.shtml

This is a less than affectionate look at Contactees, but it does give you a quick overview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee

Typical wikipedia. It gives a decent overview and has a nice list at the bottom of the page with links to stories of many individual contactees.

http://danielfry.com/

This is a fantastic site about my favorite contactee. There is tons of material to explore here. This includes his book, "The White Sands Incident" which I read as a young school boy. It is an interesting book which can be read in full here:

http://danielfry.com/daniels-writings/white-sands-incident/

I hope this helps and you find it interesting!

Cheers!! grin

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 1st, 2010, 4:45pm »

on Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm, bonehead wrote:
That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

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Bone, and what of the corroboration of multiple sightings of "nuts and bolts craft"? Are these same corroborative reports not as relevant as those of the contactees?
i understand that you said There is no proof for either, but in your Opinion, is one more special than the other? I would think the sightings of nuts and bolts craft that exhibit similar form and function, equate to any proof the contactees would espouse, plus some. Call me biased though, these darn eyes of mine.
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:18am »

on Jul 30th, 2010, 7:08pm, Seeker wrote:
Probably you are right in your assessment... I'm a bit "off" in that way. Blood and gore and negative stories send me to the next room to escape them, while transcendent ones captivate me! Perhaps because A) I've had my own, anb B) my personal belief system is heartened when I hear of them, as that is the direction I believe the human race is meant to go in smiley

Is there a thread where you talk about your experiences?
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:39am »

on Aug 1st, 2010, 1:37pm, bonehead wrote:
Gus,

The question I was referring to was the one highlighted in Seeker's posting:


"Since you include the abduction scenario with the ubiquitous grays (which is unproven and taken on the word of the good people who have been subjected to same), why do you exclude the experiences of contactees who have been exposed to a very different scenario with beings of an entirely different race? Granted, there is no "proof" of their claims either, but how is that different from those of abductees?"

In essence, the contactees are a positive yang, to the abductees negative yin. In other words, they offer another side to the alien contact story. Contactees are generally frowned upon by those who study UFOs. The argument is that their stories are a little loopy and that they offer no proof for them.

That's okay, there is no proof for nuts and bolts UFOs or abductee cases either. I think the objections are more churlish and dismissive than justified. In my opinion they are moot. If you read the contactee cases with an open mind, you will find that there is quite a bit of corroboration between the philosophies expressed by the "space brothers".

If you ignore the fantastic elements such as living on Venus or on a planet carefully hidden behind the moon, the stories do have a remarkable similarity.

Perhaps you can look up Contactees through google, which gave me some of these links. Here are some links for you:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/cokerwr/www/index.html/sbrothers.shtml

This is a less than affectionate look at Contactees, but it does give you a quick overview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee

Typical wikipedia. It gives a decent overview and has a nice list at the bottom of the page with links to stories of many individual contactees.

http://danielfry.com/

This is a fantastic site about my favorite contactee. There is tons of material to explore here. This includes his book, "The White Sands Incident" which I read as a young school boy. It is an interesting book which can be read in full here:

http://danielfry.com/daniels-writings/white-sands-incident/

I hope this helps and you find it interesting!

Cheers!! grin

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They would have to be the worst examples I have ever seen, very funny.

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on Jul 18th, 2010, 1:35pm, philliman wrote:
Does anyone have any idea who's behind bibliotecapleyades.net? There's a lot of bogus stuff which can be found there.

Giorgio Gilardi, apparently... ggmidas@hotmail.com.
http://whois.domaintools.com/bibliotecapleyades.net
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 09:19am »

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 06:18am, philliman wrote:
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Hi Phil smiley

There is no one particular thread dedicated to same, no. My experiences are, for the most part, personal and I've never believed they were intended to share with all of humanity as some great message I'd been charged with bringing them (a la Blossom Goodchild!). Rather, they pertain to me and to my own spiritual unfoldment. So no, I never dedicated a thread to sharing same, though I have at times aluded to bits and pieces I felt were germane to a given thread or discussion. They are not organized in any fashion, but are scattered across the forum, and I myself would be hard-pressed to locate them!
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:26am »

on Aug 1st, 2010, 4:45pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Bone, and what of the corroboration of multiple sightings of "nuts and bolts craft"? Are these same corroborative reports not as relevant as those of the contactees?
i understand that you said There is no proof for either, but in your Opinion, is one more special than the other? I would think the sightings of nuts and bolts craft that exhibit similar form and function, equate to any proof the contactees would espouse, plus some. Call me biased though, these darn eyes of mine.
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Beeleaver,

Oh yes, the nuts and bolts reports are more relevant, in a materialist sense.

Of course, the contactees do not operate in a material realm. We are talking purely visionary stuff here. The contactees are more like space-age tribal shamans than materialist sentinels for the coming of alien space ships.

What you are talking about is Stan Friedman versus George Adamski. These folks and their agendas do not activate in the same relative field.

What I believe is that the material is not the final arbiter of what is or isn't valid. My fascination with the contactees is why do all of their stories have the same moral curve to them?

Are liars and frauds all liberal philosophers? Why, when they speak of our social ills and innate self-destructiveness, are they so right?

Personally, I do not think the metaphysical status (whether they are materially "real" or not) of the Contactee's stories is completely relevant. Their seemingly uniform and urgent messages are the measure of their validity. And, in that case, I think they are more than a little relevant.

If we all thought and acted like the space brothers, we would be living in a Utopian society. In that contest, Stan Friedman is a fantasist dealing in inconsequential nonsense, while George Adamski asks truly temporally relevant questions.

That is my opinion anyway. I recognize that it does not make me popular with some folks (thanks Gus!).

That's alright, I don't do this to please others.... wink

Cheers!! grin

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« Reply #29 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:28am »

That's ok. I guess I got to make sure then that I won't miss any of your posts. wink
on Aug 2nd, 2010, 08:55am, CA519705950 wrote:
Giorgio Gilardi, apparently... ggmidas@hotmail.com.
http://whois.domaintools.com/bibliotecapleyades.net

Thanks, CA.

This name doesn't strike me familiar in any kind of way and a quick search didn't turned out if he may be somehow connected to the Exopolitics- or the Greer-folks (which are IMO disinfo-agents).
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