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« Reply #30 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm »

Thanks Bonehead, I appreciate the insights.
Liars and Frauds use liberal philosophy among other things, to sell not only themselves, but everyone else who will listen.
I find it relevant that there appears to be more "experiences" with regards to contactees, than Physical Craft? is that right? IDK, probably be a good study.
Do their stories all have the same slant, progressively throughout the history of these events? I have found the late 19th century American sightings to be a fascinating read. Comparing them to the apparently evolved sightings we read of today, has a curve to it as well. Its weird.
I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible.
But the absolute brainwash by Empirical sciences today, has made that so unbelievable. Theres an example of the
damage. My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
The imbalance that exists must be balanced. there needs to be as many Adamskis as Freidmans. And i dont see that anytime soon. Someday, maybe. But i am not optimistic.
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« Reply #31 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 12:02am »

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reallythere.html

There has been one hell of a spike of UFO sightings on the East Coast of Australia on the border between New South Wales and Queensland of late.

Can anyone speculate as to why I have looked at Google Earth and cant really see why.

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« Reply #32 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 02:23am »

on Aug 4th, 2010, 12:02am, GusB wrote:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reallythere.html

There has been one hell of a spike of UFO sightings on the East Coast of Australia on the border between New South Wales and Queensland of late.

Can anyone speculate as to why I have looked at Google Earth and cant really see why.

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Maybe they are alien tourists.... wink That particular area is some of the most beautiful country in Australia.... absolutely beautiful and home to quite a few movie stars. Not that I think for a moment that movie stars are an attraction. smiley
Rolling green hills and rain forests.....

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« Reply #33 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 02:55am »

Any bases or reactors we don't know of?

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« Reply #34 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 03:12am »

on Aug 4th, 2010, 02:55am, GusB wrote:
Any bases or reactors we don't know of?

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Military bases... Not that I know of Gus, but that is not saying there isn't any. There are bases further down the east coast. Australians are pretty against nuclear power. I don't know if there are any nuclear power plants in Australia.... I did hear once that there was one in Sydney.... whether that is true or not I don't know.

As a matter of interest Gus, and I don't know if it has any bearing whatsoever on the UFO flap happening there... but over the past 5 years I have received two emails from people who live a bit further up the coast into Queensland reporting sightings of a huge flying reptile. The last report was recent. I put them in contact with a person I know of who seriously investigates such reports. I cannot elaborate any further than that as it was confidential.

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« Reply #35 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 08:24am »

Beeleaver,

...Although Venus is the planet closest to Earth (some 40 million kilometres at inferior conjunction), and is similar in size, the resemblance is superficial: no probe has been able to survive more than a few hours on its surface because the atmospheric pressure is some 90 times that of Earth's. The temperature on the surface is around 450C (842F). This is mostly caused by the greenhouse effect created by an atmosphere composed mainly of carbon dioxide (96.5%)...

Wiki.

...I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible. ..

My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
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Maybe it is time you started listening to your son.

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« Reply #36 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 09:48am »

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:26am, bonehead wrote:
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Oh yes, the nuts and bolts reports are more relevant, in a materialist sense.

Of course, the contactees do not operate in a material realm. We are talking purely visionary stuff here. The contactees are more like space-age tribal shamans than materialist sentinels for the coming of alien space ships.

What you are talking about is Stan Friedman versus George Adamski. These folks and their agendas do not activate in the same relative field.

What I believe is that the material is not the final arbiter of what is or isn't valid. My fascination with the contactees is why do all of their stories have the same moral curve to them?

Are liars and frauds all liberal philosophers? Why, when they speak of our social ills and innate self-destructiveness, are they so right?

Personally, I do not think the metaphysical status (whether they are materially "real" or not) of the Contactee's stories is completely relevant. Their seemingly uniform and urgent messages are the measure of their validity. And, in that case, I think they are more than a little relevant.

If we all thought and acted like the space brothers, we would be living in a Utopian society. In that contest, Stan Friedman is a fantasist dealing in inconsequential nonsense, while George Adamski asks truly temporally relevant questions.

That is my opinion anyway. I recognize that it does not make me popular with some folks (thanks Gus!).

That's alright, I don't do this to please others.... wink

Cheers!! grin

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Boney,

As usual, a beautiful and eloquent post. Much appreciated! wink
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« Reply #37 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 11:15am »

on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Thanks Bonehead, I appreciate the insights.
Liars and Frauds use liberal philosophy among other things, to sell not only themselves, but everyone else who will listen.


Beeleleaver,

Yeah, true enough. But then there are other people who weren't "frauds" who also espoused liberal philosophies: Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, etc.

The truth is, liberal philosophies are the only hope for mankind. Conservatism is destroying our planet and our fellow man, who doesn't usually take too kindly to that, and generally comes back to return the favor: Thus, perpetual war.

The fact that "liberal" has become a pejorative term in our cultural dialog speaks volumes about how far into the abyss we have fallen. In this case, I think the term "fraud" is relative. I will take an interesting liberal "fraud", like Adamski, over a genuine disappointing liberal fraud, like Obama, any day. Maybe it is time we started to listen to Jesus, MLK or Adamski.

In a cultural sense, it sure beats the hell out of listening to Friedman. wink

(Although I do have to give him props for stating that, "The reason aliens do not associate with us is because we are primitives who still participate in tribal warfare.")


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
I find it relevant that there appears to be more "experiences" with regards to contactees, than Physical Craft? is that right? IDK, probably be a good study.


Well, the contactees offer no "proof" for their stories. But if the "nuts and bolts" crowd had anything substantial to offer in this vein, then UFOlogy would be a vetted academic study and we would not be discussing this on a fringe website. That didn't happen either.

There is no proof for the UFO one way or the other. We are only dealing with anecdotal stories with the occasional burnt foliage, broken branches, impressions in the soil or radar readings to corroborate them.

What do those things teach us? huh

Nothing about the danger of nuclear technology or how to get along with our fellow man. For my money, Adamski offers something much more relevant to my life than Friedman does.


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
Do their stories all have the same slant, progressively throughout the history of these events? I have found the late 19th century American sightings to be a fascinating read. Comparing them to the apparently evolved sightings we read of today, has a curve to it as well. Its weird.


Personally, I think the airship sightings of 1896-97 tell us more about what we are dealing with than any of the post Kenneth Arnold stuff. If the airships were exotic mirages, then I would have to say that Arnold's skipping crescent shaped ships are no different: they are temperamentally attuned to our "modern" sensibilities in precisely the same way that the airships were attuned to Victorian sensibilities.

Think about it. wink


on Aug 2nd, 2010, 7:50pm, beeleaver66 wrote:
I would like to believe that life on Venus is possible.
But the absolute brainwash by Empirical sciences today, has made that so unbelievable. Theres an example of the
damage. My son is a Jr, astrophysicist grin
And he is adamant that Venus is uninhabitable.
The imbalance that exists must be balanced. there needs to be as many Adamskis as Freidmans. And i dont see that anytime soon. Someday, maybe. But i am not optimistic.
Righteous. thanks
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Of course life is possible on Venus. Who are we to say what is or isn't possible? They have found microbes living in conditions of extreme heat, under conditions that twenty years ago biologists said was impossible.

And if Adamski's experiences were visionary, i.e., immaterial, then it may be that his handsome Venusians were not material beings either. If that is true, then who is to say that immaterial beings cannot live under material conditions that would fry us? In fact, who is to say that materiality is relevant at all, in the grand scheme of things. The universe is a universe of possibilities, not limitations.

Well, unless you live in that tiny materialist box that our schools and science want to put us in.

I think the disconnect here is believing that the material and the spiritual world of experience are two separate things. The first sin of science was the schism of dualism. If religion and science both seek truth, then by definition, they are not actually separate things.

The truth will set you free, well, unless you try to squeeze it into one of those tiny restrictive boxes our culture is so fond of..... rolleyes kiss

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« Reply #38 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 1:32pm »

You've made some excellent points, Bonehead. And concerning life on Venus I use to mention: what do we really know from the universe at all? Only what the space agencies use to tell us, right. wink
on Aug 2nd, 2010, 11:28am, philliman wrote:
That's ok. I guess I got to make sure then that I won't miss any of your posts. wink

BTW the comment above was directed at Seeker. Didn't recognized that Bonehead and I have posted nearly simultaneously. smiley
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« Reply #39 on: Aug 4th, 2010, 9:23pm »

on Aug 4th, 2010, 11:15am, bonehead wrote:
Beeleleaver,

[color=LimeGreen]Well, the contactees offer no "proof" for their stories. But if the "nuts and bolts" crowd had anything substantial to offer in this vein, then UFOlogy would be a vetted academic study and we would not be discussing this on a fringe website. That didn't happen either.

There is no proof for the UFO one way or the other. We are only dealing with anecdotal stories with the occasional burnt foliage, broken branches, impressions in the soil or radar readings to corroborate them.


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You forget implants and also soil samples left with radiation. Witnesses of UFOs have had Doctors say that they have had radiation poisoning.

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« Reply #40 on: Aug 6th, 2010, 12:10pm »

on Aug 4th, 2010, 9:23pm, GusB wrote:
You forget implants and also soil samples left with radiation. Witnesses of UFOs have had Doctors say that they have had radiation poisoning.

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I did forget to include those things on my list. Thanks Gus! smiley

But those things are no more conclusive than the things I listed. In fact, I would say that the alien implants are even more inconclusive than the others. The implants have proven to be nothing more than something weird and organic. What does that prove?

My point was that those things suggest something happened, but they do not "prove" anything. You can get radiation burns by disabling the door cutoff switch and running your microwave oven with the door open. Or you can get it at your local Air Force base by standing in the general vicinity of an airplane with its radar running. I am sure that soil taken from along military runways will show heightened radiation levels.

You can get foreign organic matter inside your body by stubbing your toe while bare footed.

Bottom line: this does not alter my argument at all. When UFOlogy becomes a widely accepted academic subject at universities, then I will accept that there is reason to change my viewpoint.

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« Reply #41 on: Aug 9th, 2010, 12:01am »

I found this to be a great read and good to see MUFON on the job.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/reedabduction.html

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« Reply #42 on: Aug 13th, 2010, 05:08am »

Solar Warden http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/twincitiesvideo.html

What I think is an attempt to block ETs abducting people with zero effect.

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« Reply #43 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 01:22am »

Its really interesting as these files have come out in the UK http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/britreleasepope.html

But also see why the US does not disclose as people are starting to work out that ET is here, ET abducts people and we don't have the technology to deal with it.

If anything it is no greater excuse to say to the public that Solar Warden is a necessary attempt to deal with ET abductions and contact.

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« Reply #44 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 01:38am »

Excellent discussion on the current issues of disclosure from the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbrSfzOJB0

I suspect that Wiki Leaks may have the smoking gun for this problem.

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