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« Reply #105 on: May 20th, 2015, 2:52pm »

on May 19th, 2015, 4:56pm, notdej wrote:
There are religious extremists out there that murder innocent people when they feel 'insulted'

as an equivalent 'chat room' retribution; why don't you pm the mods & ask for these infidels to be banned! Or are you joking? If so then put a bloody smiley on the end! angry



I don't consider myself as a religious extremist, as I'm a supporter of freedom of religion --- Yet I do consider the demonization of a religion that has a religious faith in ETE Gaods as a form of sacrilege, which is mainly caused --- IMHO --- by people's fear of the unknown, believing in misstatements, mistruths and a general mistrust in there own religion.

Yet these people {not tagging anyone on this forum} have a right to their own opinion, so I'm not going to complain to the mods about it --- But if you've ever been over at Above Top Secret --- Aliens and UFO Forum, you'll find that I {Erno86} had it up to here rolleyes --- what with-all of the numerous Demons = Aliens threads coming from possible religious fanatics of the hysterical kind.
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« Reply #106 on: May 21st, 2015, 10:37am »

Hey,who ya callin hysterical? But now that we suspect that there not Aliens from outer space,couldnt they be Demons?I have the strongest feeling that the answer is staring right at us.
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« Reply #107 on: May 21st, 2015, 10:43am »

on May 21st, 2015, 10:37am, carolnistri wrote:
Hey,who ya callin hysterical? But now that we suspect that there not Aliens from outer space,couldnt they be Demons?I have the strongest feeling that the answer is staring right at us.


Who is 'we'...? You mean to say now that 'you' think they are not aliens..?
The majority of researchers and public in general still use the ETH model. And those who are looking into alternative models, like the EDH, are not ringing the bell, closing the book, and blowing out the candle just yet.
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« Reply #108 on: May 21st, 2015, 1:24pm »

Oh come now Dr.Wu,YOU FEEL THERE NOT ALIENS AT ALL,dontcha?
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« Reply #109 on: May 21st, 2015, 1:35pm »

on May 21st, 2015, 1:24pm, carolnistri wrote:
Oh come now Dr.Wu,YOU FEEL THERE NOT ALIENS AT ALL,dontcha?



I don't think the ufo phenom at large is aliens from outer space (though as I have said many times ....some could be space aliens..)...but they certainly are aliens by definition. I do not believe they are demons or any form of supernatural being as in Biblical religious beliefs.
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« Reply #110 on: May 21st, 2015, 3:25pm »

on May 19th, 2015, 2:13pm, INT21 wrote:
...are going around pretending to be space aliens...

At this stage are we saying that the actual UFO may be a demon, or that any entity within aforesaid ufo could be a demon.
Demon as in the biblical sense.

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Right now 'we' are saying lots of different things and confusing one another, due to coming from different backgrounds, using various definitions and methods of reasoning. Like me and Wu might be doing in this thread cheesy.

Trying to clarify. To the best of my knowledge, framed within the ET=Demons hypothesis, it is equally possible that the occupants, controllers of flying saucers are actually Demons, or the alien craft themselves (the latter either a demonic visual deception, or manifestation of such entities). Evangelical Christians differ among themselves about some details, plus there are other faiths like Islam which class strange sky folks under the supernatural, or evil spirits.

(It's not my own preferred explanation of the UFO phenomenon, but the one put forth for debate by topic question.)


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« Reply #111 on: May 21st, 2015, 4:03pm »

on May 21st, 2015, 3:25pm, purr wrote:
Right now 'we' are saying lots of different things and confusing one another, due to coming from different backgrounds, using various definitions and methods of reasoning. Like me and Wu might be doing in this thread cheesy.

Trying to clarify. To the best of my knowledge, framed within the ET=Demons hypothesis, it is equally possible that the occupants, controllers of flying saucers are actually Demons, or the alien craft themselves (the latter either a demonic visual deception, or manifestation of such entities). Evangelical Christians differ among themselves about some details, plus there are other faiths like Islam which class strange sky folks under the supernatural, or evil spirits.

(It's not my own preferred explanation of the UFO phenomenon, but the one put forth for debate by topic question.)


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If I take what I suspect purr's intended message may be, I'd say that's a reasonable interpretation. But if I take what she wrote literally, even if she's just expressing what she interprets others than herself to think, I'd have to say this is where these discussions often go off the rails.

It's not "equally possible" that controllers of flying saucers are demons as compared to other theories. The theories are not equally possible or of similar likelihood, and I strongly suspect most people simply do not understand that. It's not equally likely, for instance, that the Phoenix Lights resulted from man-made technology, aliens or demons. It's not even close but I seriously doubt most people understand that, including and as referenced earlier in this thread, a MUFON Florida state section director who is supposedly a trained investigator.
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« Reply #112 on: May 21st, 2015, 4:18pm »

There is a huge difference of opinion here.

Let us say someone sees an object in the sky they do not recognise. It performs some highly unlikely maneuvers, then just disappears.

So, what have we ?

Not an angelic/demonic 'figure' , but an object that gives the impression it could be some manufactured craft.

It had to come from somewhere and go to somewhere.

This is where things start to tangle up.

Can we accept the possibility of an 'extra dimension' (or more) that a craft, either remotely operated or controlled by an entity within, can reside in. And through technology not yet known to us appear as it wishes ?

If not, where do these 'Demons' posited by some of our members come from.

Why should the controller of this object be 'demonic' in the biblical sense at all? Why not just a resident of some other dimension ?

Where does the paranormal cross over into our cosy three dimensional world.

Does the paranormal exist ?

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« Reply #113 on: May 21st, 2015, 4:45pm »

on May 21st, 2015, 4:03pm, jjflash wrote:
If I take what I suspect purr's intended message may be, I'd say that's a reasonable interpretation. But if I take what she wrote literally, even if she's just expressing what she interprets others than herself to think, I'd have to say this is where these discussions often go off the rails.

It's not "equally possible" that controllers of flying saucers are demons as compared to other theories. The theories are not equally possible or of similar likelihood, and I strongly suspect most people simply do not understand that. It's not equally likely, for instance, that the Phoenix Lights resulted from man-made technology, aliens or demons. It's not even close but I seriously doubt most people understand that, including and as referenced earlier in this thread, a MUFON Florida state section director who is supposedly a trained investigator.


That's a reasonable analysis, Jj. Yet did not address my post (meaning you join us derailing ones grin), due to misreading:

on May 21st, 2015, 3:25pm, purr wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, framed within the ET=Demons hypothesis, it is equally possible that the occupants, controllers of flying saucers are actually Demons, or the alien craft themselves (the latter either a demonic visual deception, or manifestation of such entities).


I'll explain. The two equal possibilities I mention are (1)the UFO occupants being Demons or (2) the UFOs being demonic display/manifestation, FRAMED WITHIN THE ET=DH (Extraterrestrials = Demons Hypothesis). I'm not comparing with outside hypotheses here, rather describing what a number of demontheory proponents have said, weighing 1 vs. 2 inside the ET=DH framework.


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« Reply #114 on: May 21st, 2015, 5:03pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Why not just a resident of some other dimension ?

Where does the paranormal cross over into our cosy three dimensional world.

Does the paranormal exist ?"

BONEY APPROACHES THIS DILEMMA BY AVOIDING DESCRIBING SUCH PHENOMENA AS PARANORMAL ~ I QUITE AGREE!

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I'VE HAD SOME TIME TO SPECULATE ON THIS MOST INTERESTING TOPIC ~ WHERE ARE THE VECTORS OF DIMENSIONAL REALITY ~ ARE THERE LEY LINES (MUCH LIKE SEEN ON EARTH) SPECIFICALLY PLACED BEYOND OUR CONCEPT OF TIME ~ I THINK SO ~ cool

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NEVERTHELESS ~ PURR SPECULATES...AS SEEN ON T.V. cool

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"David Vincent had seen too much..."

ONE WOULD FACTOR THAT DIMENSIONALS (FOR LACK OF A BTTER TERM ~ AND PONDERING ~ FURTHER ~ IF THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN ) WOULD HAVE INSIGHTS BEYOND ONES TERRESTRIAL UNDERSTANDING ~ AND SURELY WOULD GRASP SUCH ENCOUNTERS WITH TERRESTRIAL LIFE ~ WOULD INHERENTLY DOMINATE DECISIONS TO DO SO ~ NOW THE QUESTION IS ~ AS HAL'S DAUGHTER SAW SOMETHING SHE DEEMED UNEXPLAINABLE ~ WHY ARE THOSE CHOSEN TO SEE SUCH ~ COINCIDENCE? ~ MOST KNOW MY THOUGHTS ON SAME ~ SOOO...THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION IS...

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« Reply #115 on: May 21st, 2015, 5:34pm »

on May 21st, 2015, 4:18pm, INT21 wrote:
There is a huge difference of opinion here.

Let us say someone sees an object in the sky they do not recognise. It performs some highly unlikely maneuvers, then just disappears.

So, what have we ?

Not an angelic/demonic 'figure' , but an object that gives the impression it could be some manufactured craft.

It had to come from somewhere and go to somewhere.

This is where things start to tangle up.

Can we accept the possibility of an 'extra dimension' (or more) that a craft, either remotely operated or controlled by an entity within, can reside in. And through technology not yet known to us appear as it wishes ?

If not, where do these 'Demons' posited by some of our members come from.

Why should the controller of this object be 'demonic' in the biblical sense at all? Why not just a resident of some other dimension ?

Where does the paranormal cross over into our cosy three dimensional world.

Does the paranormal exist ?

HAL
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« Reply #116 on: May 22nd, 2015, 06:03am »

Moksha,are you implying that Dr.Wu and I are the same person,hes in Indiana and Im in Connecticut.Shees just shees.
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« Reply #117 on: May 22nd, 2015, 06:47am »

on May 22nd, 2015, 06:03am, carolnistri wrote:
Moksha,are you implying that Dr.Wu and I are the same person,hes in Indiana and Im in Connecticut.Shees just shees.


NO carolnistri,
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« Reply #118 on: May 22nd, 2015, 07:54am »

Wow, if they were the same person, that would require a seriously bifurcated personality. I could see them as kind of like web spouses. You rarely see one without the other. smiley

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« Reply #119 on: May 22nd, 2015, 11:29am »

on May 22nd, 2015, 06:47am, MOKSHA wrote:
NO carolnistri,
TWINS=TWO
GEEZS
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Um,oh sorry about that.
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