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« Reply #15 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 08:36am »

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« Reply #16 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 08:42am »

I wasn't going to mention that people of faith get to wear much cooler costumes but, you know... just sayin. wink

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« Reply #17 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 09:26am »

I wonder what the world will be like if and when the Lord reveals himself.
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 1:01pm »

SKEP,

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"Those who worship at the altar of science think it disproves God when, in fact the reverse is true. I think they call that divine irony."

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« Reply #19 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 1:46pm »

ZETAR, WHO IS ANYONE TO SAY WHAT GOD CAN OR CANNOT DO? ASSUMING SUCH EXISTS. GOD HAS TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING.

RANDOMNESS AND CHAOS WOULD NOT HAVE COME ABOUT ON IT'S OWN COULD IT? IF SO THEN ORDER AND CONSISTENCY COULD BE A SUBSET. IF NOT THEN GOD DABBLES IN RANDOMNESS AND DOES IN ESSENCE PLAY DICE. grin

USING AN EINSTEIN QUOTE(?) WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORITY I BELIEVE.
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 1:57pm »

Oh boy Zetar,my husband would love you.
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 2:07pm »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 1:46pm, GhostofEd wrote:
ZETAR, WHO IS ANYONE TO SAY WHAT GOD CAN OR CANNOT DO? ASSUMING SUCH EXISTS. GOD HAS TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING.

RANDOMNESS AND CHAOS WOULD NOT HAVE COME ABOUT ON IT'S OWN COULD IT? IF SO THEN ORDER AND CONSISTENCY COULD BE A SUBSET. IF NOT THEN GOD DABBLES IN RANDOMNESS AND DOES IN ESSENCE PLAY DICE. grin

USING AN EINSTEIN QUOTE(?) WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORITY I BELIEVE.



Very true.....there's no reason to think that Einstein knows anymore about whether God exists or not .
And he wasn't very religious btw....from what I have read in the past.
But the question should be what did he think about ufos and if there is any relation to demons since thats' the thread topic.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 2:25pm »

DRWU,

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"Very true.....there's no reason to think that Einstein knows anymore about whether God exists or not ."

I'M THINKING ONE WHOM MAY TOUCH THAT ETHER OF QUANTUM MECHANICS ~ THEORY OF RELATIVITY ~ QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT...ETC...MIGHT BE ENLIGHTENED TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN AN ANTHROPOCENTRIC REALITY...WHUYYA THINK...WAIT... MIGHT I ADD THIS...

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός gnostikos, "learned", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) describes a collection of ancient religions whose adherents shunned the material world – which they viewed as created by the demiurge – and embraced the spiritual world.[1] Gnostic ideas influenced many ancient religions[2] that teach that gnosis (variously interpreted as knowledge, enlightenment, salvation, emancipation or 'oneness with God') may be reached by practicing philanthropy to the point of personal poverty, sexual abstinence (as far as possible for hearers, entirely for initiates) and diligently searching for wisdom by helping others.[3] However, practices varied among those who were Gnostic.

TO KNOW OR NOT TO KNOW ~ THAT IS THE QUESTION...grin

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« Reply #23 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 2:53pm »

Not normally my patch, But what the heck.

Are you guys making a delineation between the God of Religion and a Creator God ?

There is room in my thinking for the latter; although not to be referred to as 'God.'

Before you all start jumping up and down and saying 'told 'ya so'. Consider this.

If there was a 'creator' then it must have been in existence some place out side the universe before the universes creation.

And so maybe 'our' universe was just one of a number of projects.
And the creator then moved on to something else. No longer having an interest in it.

Anyone who has ever made anything will know that feeling 'Hmm, ok, but I could do better'.

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« Reply #24 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 3:24pm »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 2:53pm, INT21 wrote:
Not normally my patch, But what the heck.

Are you guys making a delineation between the God of Religion and a Creator God ?

There is room in my thinking for the latter; although not to be referred to as 'God.'

Before you all start jumping up and down and saying 'told 'ya so'. Consider this.

If there was a 'creator' then it must have been in existence some place out side the universe before the universes creation.

And so maybe 'our' universe was just one of a number of projects.
And the creator then moved on to something else. No longer having an interest in it.

Anyone who has ever made anything will know that feeling 'Hmm, ok, but I could do better'.

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Interesting idea that 'God' might have created/constructed multiple realities. I have read this concept before in a few sci-fi novels. So could 'God' be a super advanced alien race that actually did create our known universe?
The idea of a very advanced race was touched upon in Contact where the alien who met Jodie Foster said that a far older race created the transport system and had been gone for a very long time.

But how does this relate to the demons as aliens theme...? Unless we make them agents of this super advanced alien race and the 'Creators' are long gone leavng only their handiwork. BTW,,,this is similar to the theme in Kerner's book Song Of The Greys.
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 3:28pm »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 2:25pm, ZETAR wrote:
DRWU,

TO WIT:

"Very true.....there's no reason to think that Einstein knows anymore about whether God exists or not ."

I'M THINKING ONE WHOM MAY TOUCH THAT ETHER OF QUANTUM MECHANICS ~ THEORY OF RELATIVITY ~ QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT...ETC...MIGHT BE ENLIGHTENED TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN AN ANTHROPOCENTRIC REALITY...WHUYYA THINK...WAIT... MIGHT I ADD THIS...

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός gnostikos, "learned", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) describes a collection of ancient religions whose adherents shunned the material world – which they viewed as created by the demiurge – and embraced the spiritual world.[1] Gnostic ideas influenced many ancient religions[2] that teach that gnosis (variously interpreted as knowledge, enlightenment, salvation, emancipation or 'oneness with God') may be reached by practicing philanthropy to the point of personal poverty, sexual abstinence (as far as possible for hearers, entirely for initiates) and diligently searching for wisdom by helping others.[3] However, practices varied among those who were Gnostic.

TO KNOW OR NOT TO KNOW ~ THAT IS THE QUESTION...grin

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Are you implying that Einstein was a gnostic?
Nothing I have read about him or by him indicates this but perhaps such things did interest him. Who knows..?
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 3:39pm »

I tend not to believe in demons as a physical or para physical entity.

I see the demons as constructs of the evil human mind. An demonic act does not require the existence of actual demons.

... So could 'God' be a super advanced alien race that actually did create our known universe?..

Yes. in fact if one were to even consider the idea of a holographic universe then one has to assume that somewhere outside the universe is a holographic projector of some form. This implies an operator .

If this creator, and many sci fi books refer to a higher level of beings, were to exist then there seems to be no reason that they would not build other 'structures' akin to our universe.

Greg Bear, in 'Eon' has his super aliens (the Jarts) referring back to 'The Final Mind'. Something they acknowledge probably exists but is beyond even their comprehension.

And, if our sub atomic particles really are on some weird Solid State Hard Drive then someone has to have programmed it.

Let's hope they don't run out of storage and need to clear space on the drive for Universe 1.1

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« Reply #27 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 4:58pm »

God,Demons,What proof is there,really!?

I consider myself to be of sound mind and mental abilities,
Thinking ,being the foremost.
After 63 + years,I've yet to see any "proof" there is a cognizant "god".
If,this "god" were so omnipotent,WHY? .....would he need a UFO? or vehicle to travel to and fro?God should NOT need such.
I use to pray,
Not anymore,
I now meditate,to put out positive energy,If,there is such a thing ,to ,hopefully bring about a change to the future possibilities.
We all know,this world is in such disarray.
More positive thoughts from ALL humans would,no doubt,be of benefit,Don't ya' think?!

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« Reply #28 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 6:06pm »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 4:58pm, jm57 wrote:
We all know,this world is in such disarray.


Compared to who/ what? What yard-stick are you using? I don't think we've done that bad over the years. For every horrible, disgusting, depraved thing we hear in the media- there are millions of wonderful examples of love, empathy, caring happening every day. We just don't hear of them.

Peace.

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« Reply #29 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 7:15pm »

I have always noted that the tone of most UFO, paranormal and conspiracy sites leaned heavily to the pessimist side. Not exactly sure why. undecided
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