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« Reply #150 on: May 26th, 2015, 11:47am »

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« Reply #151 on: May 26th, 2015, 11:48am »

[quote author=drwu23 link=board=general&num=1430064698&start=145#9 date=1432656636]

I don't recall you ever making that clear before......then you don't believe in Jesus, God, or the events in the Bible..? If so then you are not a true Christian...if you do believe then you are a Christian. Sounds to me like you are in a paradox and you can't have it both ways.
So I ask again if you don't believe then how can you possibly call them demons which is straight out of the Bible and a Christian belief..?

Yes, christian by definition.
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« Reply #152 on: May 26th, 2015, 11:56am »

I SHALL ASK THAT WE REFRAIN FROM >>> FAITH BASHING <<< AS WE AVOID THOSE BASHES AGAINST THOSE WITH THE LACK THEREOF ~ WE TRY EXTREMELY HARD TO MAINTIAN THAT LEVEL OF CIVILTY IN ANY INTELLECTUAL EXCHANGE...THAT FINE LINE BETWEEN THE PASSION/PERSONAL THINGY!!!

AND YEAH ~ I AM DEFENDING CAROL IN THIS INSTANCE!!!

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« Reply #153 on: May 26th, 2015, 12:03pm »

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« Reply #154 on: May 26th, 2015, 12:08pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 11:56am, ZETAR wrote:
I SHALL ASK THAT WE REFRAIN FROM >>> FAITH BASHING <<< AS WE AVOID THOSE BASHES AGAINST THOSE WITH THE LACK THEREOF ~ WE TRY EXTREMELY HARD TO MAINTIAN THAT LEVEL OF CIVILTY IN ANY INTELLECTUAL EXCHANGE...THAT FINE LINE BETWEEN THE PASSION/PERSONAL THINGY!!!

AND YEAH ~ I AM DEFENDING CAROL IN THIS INSTANCE!!!

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No one is bashing anyone so get off the high and self righteous horse you have climbed on. She said she was not a Christian...I was merely trying to get her actual status and position since she started this thread to begin with regarding demons as aliens and then denied she was even a Christian. Or perhaps you missed that ?

Maybe if you spent more time actually reading the posts and not posting silly pics you might get out of your own obscurity?
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« Reply #155 on: May 26th, 2015, 1:00pm »

DRWU,

IF MY HORSE IS TO HIGH FOR YOU TO CLIMB AND RIDE...YOU MIGHT NEED STEPS...

TO WIT:

"No one is bashing anyone so get off the high and self righteous horse you have climbed on. She said she was not a Christian...I was merely trying to get her actual status and position since she started this thread to begin with regarding demons as aliens and then denied she was even a Christian. Or perhaps you missed that ?

Maybe if you spent more time actually reading the posts and not posting silly pics you might get out of your own obscurity?" AND HOW SHOULD I DESCRIBE THE HORSE YOU RIDE SIR!!!

LEMME BREAK IT DOWN ~ MOD BASHING IS ~ ILL ADVISED ~ FROM ONE WHOM CONTINUES TO QUESTION MY INTENT WITH ANY NUMBER OF POSTS ~ ASSUMPTIONS ON YOUR PART ~ WELL ~ WILL REMAIN AN ASSUMPTION! DO THEY NOT? ~ IF I COMPELL YOU TO THINK ~ SUCH DISCREPENSIES MIGHT DWINDLE ~ BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE WHOM ACCEPT OTHERS AS WHO/WHOM THEY >>> ARE <<< SEEM TO BE QUANTIFIED BY ANOTHER'S >>>ASSUMPTION(S) <<< JUST AN OBCURE POINT MIND YOU...

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« Reply #156 on: May 26th, 2015, 1:54pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 1:00pm, ZETAR wrote:
DRWU,

IF MY HORSE IS TO HIGH FOR YOU TO CLIMB AND RIDE...YOU MIGHT NEED STEPS...

TO WIT:

"No one is bashing anyone so get off the high and self righteous horse you have climbed on. She said she was not a Christian...I was merely trying to get her actual status and position since she started this thread to begin with regarding demons as aliens and then denied she was even a Christian. Or perhaps you missed that ?

Maybe if you spent more time actually reading the posts and not posting silly pics you might get out of your own obscurity?" AND HOW SHOULD I DESCRIBE THE HORSE YOU RIDE SIR!!!

LEMME BREAK IT DOWN ~ MOD BASHING IS ~ ILL ADVISED ~ FROM ONE WHOM CONTINUES TO QUESTION MY INTENT WITH ANY NUMBER OF POSTS ~ ASSUMPTIONS ON YOUR PART ~ WELL ~ WILL REMAIN AN ASSUMPTION! DO THEY NOT? ~ IF I COMPELL YOU TO THINK ~ SUCH DISCREPENSIES MIGHT DWINDLE ~ BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE WHOM ACCEPT OTHERS AS WHO/WHOM THEY >>> ARE <<< SEEM TO BE QUANTIFIED BY ANOTHER'S >>>ASSUMPTION(S) <<< JUST AN OBCURE POINT MIND YOU...

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The only one that seems to be judging anyone here is you Zetar......perhaps you need to re-evaluate your position on the board regarding that aspect.
I'll repeat for your benefit...no one was bashing anyone including you..... (who I might add also has a tendency to be 'cute' at times in his replies.) Does being a mod allow you to 'have a double standard' ? And you seem to be the only one mentioning my questions for Carol...btw.

Some food for thought young man.

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« Reply #157 on: May 26th, 2015, 2:23pm »

DRWU,

I'M A MEMBER FIRST ~ AND A MOD SECOND ~ IT AIN'T MY FIRST RODEO TO HEAD THINGS OFF BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF HAND ~ TIS WHAT WE MODS DO AS WE ARE EXPERIENCED WITH THOSE WHOM CHOOSE TO NEEDLESSLY PUSH BUTTONS ~ I'M A TOLERANT FELLA ~ CIVIL TO BE EXACT ~ BUT NEVER ASSUME SUCH IS A WEAKNESS ON MY PART HERR DOCTOR ~

I HAVE NO INTEREST IN A MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH THIS...

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« Reply #158 on: May 26th, 2015, 4:30pm »

Hal,

Carol has only provided vague anecdotal evidence that ET aliens are demons.

I don't have irrefutable proof of aliens, nor can I provide the irrefutable proof of the ongoing, effective cover-up --- But I've seen enough proof with my own eyes.

{Let me quote some points from poster "neoholographic" who has an on-going hot thread about "UFO skeptics over at Above Top Secret --- UFO & Aliens forum.}

"There's enough evidence to reach a conclusion as to what's the most likely explanation for the aerial phenomena called UFO's based on the available evidence.

Common sense tells you that you can't just dismiss all eyewitness accounts as equally unreliable and equally not evidence.

You don't have to have scientifically verifiable evidence in order to have evidence that supports the underlying hypothesis or theory.

I accept these things based on the available evidence even though there isn't any scientifically verifiable evidence.

In many cases, you just don't have the technology to test these things and you draw a conclusion based on the available evidence. With ufology there's a ton of evidence from eyewitness accounts to trace evidence."

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« Reply #159 on: May 26th, 2015, 6:05pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 2:23pm, ZETAR wrote:
DRWU,

I'M A MEMBER FIRST ~ AND A MOD SECOND ~ IT AIN'T MY FIRST RODEO TO HEAD THINGS OFF BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF HAND ~ TIS WHAT WE MODS DO AS WE ARE EXPERIENCED WITH THOSE WHOM CHOOSE TO NEEDLESSLY PUSH BUTTONS ~ I'M A TOLERANT FELLA ~ CIVIL TO BE EXACT ~ BUT NEVER ASSUME SUCH IS A WEAKNESS ON MY PART HERR DOCTOR ~

I HAVE NO INTEREST IN A MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH THIS...

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« Reply #160 on: May 26th, 2015, 6:12pm »

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...In many cases, you just don't have the technology to test these things and you draw a conclusion based on the available evidence. With ufology there's a ton of evidence from eyewitness accounts to trace evidence."..

I accept that a major problem is that we do not have the technology to carry out meaningful tests. In fact it is a recurring theme in my posts.

I do not say that there is no phenomena. I do state that I believe there is.

Were I move away from you is that you declare what the cause of the phenomena is.

You readily admit that you can't provide what would be acceptable in the science world as proof.

But what is left is conjecture.

I do sympathies up to a point as I have had one or two 'odd' things happen to me in the past. But I am forced to say to myself that I can make no claims based on them because I can't demonstrate what happened to anyone else. I know what happened, but not how or why.

As time goes by one begins to think 'did it really happen?'.

...You don't have to have scientifically verifiable evidence in order to have evidence that supports the underlying hypothesis or theory...

Agreed. But if you ever expect it to become more than part of a fringe belief then you need some method of making the sightings repeatable or some testable theory to account for them.

And, sadly, we don't have that yet.

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« Reply #161 on: May 26th, 2015, 6:20pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 11:10am, drwu23 wrote:
ps: were you ever Baptized as a child into the Christian faith in any church and said the words or your parents for you?... If so you are a Christian by definition.


Not exactly true drwu. In some Christian churches believe in the once saved always saved doctrine such as Baptists. But a person can change their personal beliefs. I consider myself spiritual not religious and I was baptized. My church may still consider me a Christian and SAVED. But I view organized religion about the same as I do aliens. With great skepticism. Who knows you may become a believer in both someday! grin
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« Reply #162 on: May 26th, 2015, 10:05pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 6:20pm, GForce wrote:
Not exactly true drwu. In some Christian churches believe in the once saved always saved doctrine such as Baptists. But a person can change their personal beliefs. I consider myself spiritual not religious and I was baptized. My church may still consider me a Christian and SAVED. But I view organized religion about the same as I do aliens. With great skepticism. Who knows you may become a believer in both someday! grin


Technically you are correct...one can move away or reject that Baptism but according to them you are still saved.... but my point was to draw out the actual religious situation regarding the belief present currently.
My intent was to show that one cannot believe in 'demons as aliens' unless one believes in Biblical Christianity which is the source of belief in demons to begin with.
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« Reply #163 on: May 26th, 2015, 11:02pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 10:05pm, drwu23 wrote:
My intent was to show that one cannot believe in 'demons as aliens' unless one believes in Biblical Christianity which is the source of belief in demons to begin with.


I think if you believe in demons you have to believe in angels. Every positive has a negative!

If you think demons are aliens then in the purest sense of the definition they are but that is the belief that demons are not of this world, same with angels!

Now personally I view heaven, hell, angels and demons as dimensional beings IF THEY EXIST! Aliens either are physical, dimensional or time travels IF THEY EXIST!

Everything is on the table and also pure speculation!

From my religious upbringing there was good spirits (angels, guides) and evil spirits (demons and fallen angels) They are people who make a convincing argument that the Bible mentions UFOs (Golden Chariots, etc.) But no where do they mention anything we can point to as aliens. Giants? yes!

Carol's argument that aliens are demons has to be rooted in paranormal conjecture and not religious doctrine. I think she's wrong in her opinion and may well burn in hell for it! grin But then again maybe she's plays bridge, I'm sure I'll be there too looking for a game IF IT EXISTS!
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« Reply #164 on: May 27th, 2015, 12:23am »

Now you guys are reminding me of Mick and the boys' suggestions that angels and demons might be different degrees of the same thing, like hot and cold are different perceptions of temperature:

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners, saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint

Personally, I doubt any of it's literal, but it is interesting, and just because it might be metaphoric wouldn't necessarily make it irrelevant, in an esoteric kinda way, I guess.
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