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« Reply #165 on: May 27th, 2015, 04:39am »

Carol's argument that aliens are demons has to be rooted in paranormal conjecture and not religious doctrine. I think she's wrong in her opinion and may well burn in hell for it! But then again maybe she's plays bridge, I'm sure I'll be there too looking for a game IF IT EXISTS!
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« Reply #166 on: May 27th, 2015, 07:12am »

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« Reply #167 on: May 27th, 2015, 08:08am »

on May 27th, 2015, 04:39am, carolnistri wrote:
Carol's argument that aliens are demons has to be rooted in paranormal conjecture and not religious doctrine. I think she's wrong in her opinion and may well burn in hell for it! But then again maybe she's plays bridge, I'm sure I'll be there too looking for a game IF IT EXISTS!
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Carol, I will say that if you believe in what's most often reported about demons then I will say that they have the ability to come as aliens, children, animals or any other creature in physical or spiritual form. Most often they come as children spirits trying to gain access as children spirits are less imposing.

I'm not touching the LITTLE guy comment! wink
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« Reply #168 on: May 27th, 2015, 09:12am »

Carol's argument that aliens are demons has to be rooted in paranormal conjecture and not religious doctrine. I think she's wrong in her opinion and may well burn in hell for it! But then again maybe she's plays bridge, I'm sure I'll be there too looking for a game IF IT EXISTS!


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(p.S I dont play bridge)
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« Reply #169 on: May 27th, 2015, 12:29pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 11:02pm, GForce wrote:
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Now personally I view heaven, hell, angels and demons as dimensional beings IF THEY EXIST! Aliens either are physical, dimensional or time travels IF THEY EXIST!


Carol's argument that aliens are demons has to be rooted in paranormal conjecture and not religious doctrine.!


Some clarifications here....inter-dimensional beings can be quite physical if we are speculating. Indeed the EDH (extra-dimensional hypothesis) is this hypothesis that postulates aliens are from an alternate dimension or parallel reality. If demons and angels exist, then they are actually metaphysical and not 'dimensional' per se.
Metaphysical being the term that has usually been used to describe paranormal or supernatural beings that are related to Biblical and other religious/spiritual doctrine (not just western Christianity btw)
This is the way I have always understood it from various texts I have read over the years though there are always semantics and definitions at play here.
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« Reply #170 on: May 27th, 2015, 1:32pm »

Who in the hell is going to determine whether a creature {though I have serious doubts that any such creature exists in the universe} is from the metaphysical or extra-dimensional realm?
Jacques Vallee perhaps?

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« Reply #171 on: May 27th, 2015, 3:18pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 1:32pm, Erno86 wrote:
Who in the hell is going to determine whether a creature {though I have serious doubts that any such creature exists in the universe} is from the metaphysical or extra-dimensional realm?
Jacques Vallee perhaps?



Well...that's the question... isn't it?
I was only defining terms and definitions with GForce.

But one can ask similar things about so-called real aliens. Until we actually get one in the flesh or a chunk of their dna we can't prove they even exist as physical beings.
It's all speculation no matter how one wants to spin it.
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« Reply #172 on: May 27th, 2015, 3:51pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 3:18pm, drwu23 wrote:
Well...that's the question... isn't it?
I was only defining terms and definitions with GForce.

But one can ask similar things about so-called real aliens. Until we actually get one in the flesh or a chunk of their dna we can't prove they even exist as physical beings.
It's all speculation no matter how one wants to spin it.


It could have just been a shot of adrenaline coursing thru my veins, between the time {1 minute} I saw the high-speed bluish-white light and the approx. 700 foot diameter fiery blazing red-orange foofighter --- But I seemed to have a telepathic experience with his lordship who was onboard his foofighter, during my nighttime 1976 UFO sighting. No words transmitted, mind you --- Just a sense of his lordship's presence --- So to speak.
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« Reply #173 on: May 27th, 2015, 4:04pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 3:51pm, Erno86 wrote:
It could have just been a shot of adrenaline coursing thru my veins, between the time {1 minute} I saw the high-speed bluish-white light and the approx. 700 foot diameter fiery blazing red-orange foofighter --- But I seemed to have a telepathic experience with his lordship who was onboard his foofighter, during my nighttime 1976 UFO sighting. No words transmitted, mind you --- Just a sense of his lordship's presence --- So to speak.


I have no doubt you experienced something strange...but what was it? How do you know they were space aliens?
Could they have been from another parallel reality or dimension? What was the point of a telepathic contact to you?
You can see how complex this can get....when we start to ask the questions.
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« Reply #174 on: May 27th, 2015, 4:29pm »

Wu,

I'll try to answer your questions tomorrow or on a later date...since I'm now leaving the library and going home; which does not have Wi-Fi.
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« Reply #175 on: May 27th, 2015, 5:18pm »

on May 26th, 2015, 11:48am, carolnistri wrote:
Yes, christian by definition.


Hi Carol and Wu. Reading through our posts here I note a number of misunderstandings, which then continued into a somewhat confused argument.

In hope of reducing any confusion: I read Carol's position as stating she's not a regular churchgoer, she calls herself 'not a good Christian' (which I take as acknowledging personal imperfection, not rejecting faith), and finally a "Christian by definition" denoting faith in (a form of) Christianity. Not to put too fine a point on it, Carol is a Christian. smiley

Wu, you argue that belief in Demons impersonating Aliens is conditional on belief in biblical Christianity. On the face of it this is correct, since demonological traditions developed within this faith, with Exorcism (by the Vatican and Protestants alike) still in practice today.

The logical conclusion then appears that only Christians might entertain the Extraterrestrials = Demons Hypothesis (ET=DH). Other worldviews, especially those rejecting biblical demons, will lead adherents to summarily dismiss any hypothesis involving Demons.

I'd like to add an alternative point of view. Without relying on Christian Theology, one could postulate that ETs at times were reported as behaving in a highly bizarre or hostile manner. For convenience I'd like to leave open the option, not of defining them as Demons, but to borrow that idea from religion and describe them as possibly "demonic", in the sense of 'like a demon' or 'evil' IF their behavior (on case by case basis) calls for it. In the same way that some animal predators and human beings, prompted by their brutal and cruel actions, are called demonic/evil.


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« Reply #176 on: May 27th, 2015, 7:37pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 5:18pm, purr wrote:
I'd like to add an alternative point of view. Without relying on Christian Theology,


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« Reply #177 on: May 27th, 2015, 8:37pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 5:18pm, purr wrote:
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I'd like to add an alternative point of view. Without relying on Christian Theology, one could postulate that ETs at times were reported as behaving in a highly bizarre or hostile manner. For convenience I'd like to leave open the option, not of defining them as Demons, but to borrow that idea from religion and describe them as possibly "demonic", in the sense of 'like a demon' or 'evil' IF their behavior (on case by case basis) calls for it. In the same way that some animal predators and human beings, prompted by their brutal and cruel actions, are called demonic/evil.


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I don't have a problem with that. If said aliens from outer space did exist and perform heinous acts one certainly could use demonic to describe them.
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« Reply #178 on: May 27th, 2015, 11:13pm »

on May 27th, 2015, 12:29pm, drwu23 wrote:
Some clarifications here....inter-dimensional beings can be quite physical if we are speculating. Indeed the EDH (extra-dimensional hypothesis) is this hypothesis that postulates aliens are from an alternate dimension or parallel reality. If demons and angels exist, then they are actually metaphysical and not 'dimensional' per se.
Metaphysical being the term that has usually been used to describe paranormal or supernatural beings that are related to Biblical and other religious/spiritual doctrine (not just western Christianity btw)
This is the way I have always understood it from various texts I have read over the years though there are always semantics and definitions at play here.


Actually I agree with you on the metaphysical aspect. However my only encounters for lack of a better word were with spiritual forms. They were degrees of physical interactions so at least to some degree they did have physical attributes they could harness possibly though energy.

However the truth does lie with evidence of proof which I have not seen. In the end we're basically stuck with personal experiences, theories and beliefs. None of which you can hang your hat on!
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« Reply #179 on: May 28th, 2015, 08:03am »

Dr.Wu dont I remember you or someone else saying that if two people had the exact same experience that they would have two entirely different memories of that experience?
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