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« Reply #30 on: Apr 28th, 2015, 8:26pm »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 4:58pm, jm57 wrote:
More positive thoughts from ALL humans would,no doubt,be of benefit,Don't ya' think?!


More positive actions might be even better. smiley

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« Reply #31 on: Apr 29th, 2015, 08:26am »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 3:39pm, INT21 wrote:
I tend not to believe in demons as a physical or para physical entity.

I see the demons as constructs of the evil human mind. An demonic act does not require the existence of actual demons.

... So could 'God' be a super advanced alien race that actually did create our known universe?..

Yes. in fact if one were to even consider the idea of a holographic universe then one has to assume that somewhere outside the universe is a holographic projector of some form. This implies an operator .

If this creator, and many sci fi books refer to a higher level of beings, were to exist then there seems to be no reason that they would not build other 'structures' akin to our universe.

Greg Bear, in 'Eon' has his super aliens (the Jarts) referring back to 'The Final Mind'. Something they acknowledge probably exists but is beyond even their comprehension.

And, if our sub atomic particles really are on some weird Solid State Hard Drive then someone has to have programmed it.

Let's hope they don't run out of storage and need to clear space on the drive for Universe 1.1

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This idea of super advanced aliens is also the center theme of Ian Banks Culture series. But in the Culture series the most advanced 'aliens' are AI (artificial intelligences) invented by various human and alien civilizations. The AI (dozens of them...) , being somewhat impartial, run things and make sure everyone is treated fairly in this future galactic group.
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« Reply #32 on: Apr 29th, 2015, 09:42am »

bangs head against wall..
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« Reply #33 on: Apr 29th, 2015, 10:54am »

on Apr 28th, 2015, 7:15pm, GhostofEd wrote:
I have always noted that the tone of most UFO, paranormal and conspiracy sites leaned heavily to the pessimist side. Not exactly sure why. undecided


Because people tend to need a personal experience before they believe. I've seen ghosts, seen objects move on their own so I believe in them because I've experienced them. Because of that paranormal experience I accept the possibility that aliens have visited. UFOs DO exist the only question around them is if they alien or man-made aircraft.

As for God? I recently saw a video in which the psychic channeled a son of a client. The subject of God arose and the son said God was simply a huge mass of energy. Considering scientific theories such as Big Bang it would make sense that God was energy. But does he/she/it have a form? Intelligence? Does it matter?

In the paranormal there's a lot of gray area that we don't know. We assume (some of us anyway) that the soul carries on after death. Some believe the circuits IE the body shuts down and the energy (Soul) leaves. Where does it go? Is there a soul? What about heaven? Hell? Multiple dimensions? Dimensional beings?

Personally I believe in ghosts, demons, dimensional beings, aliens etc. So they are some here who believe. I'm just looking for evidence to prove it. And if what I've said makes no sense then realize I'm still on pain meds and trying to wean myself off them. wink
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« Reply #34 on: Apr 30th, 2015, 08:34am »

on Apr 29th, 2015, 09:42am, carolnistri wrote:
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One must prepare..... grin
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 30th, 2015, 3:25pm »

Plasmatics --- Headbanger

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« Reply #36 on: May 1st, 2015, 03:56am »

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« Reply #37 on: May 5th, 2015, 5:31pm »

Wow - the late Wendy O. Williams - hadn't thought of her for a while.

Appropo of nothing:

Evil is a weird thing. We consider it evil if a human kills another human. If a lion kills a gazelle, it's not evil, it's nature. Same with catastrophe - a tidal wave can come ashore on a deserted coast line and it's nature. If it comes ashore in a city, it becomes a great evil. So, at the end of the day, it's all about us. If it affects us, it's evil. No people involved? Not so much.

So, shouldn't good and evil be absolute? Shouldn't the falling tree make a noise regardless of whether there is anyone to hear it?

I find this kind of relativism disturbing.

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« Reply #38 on: May 5th, 2015, 5:40pm »

Not sure which philosopher said it (probably many in one way or another) but you can't define or have good without evil and vice versa.
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« Reply #39 on: May 5th, 2015, 6:05pm »

on May 5th, 2015, 5:31pm, Skeptical wrote:
We consider it evil if a human kills another human. If a lion kills a gazelle, it's not evil, it's nature.


hmmm, lions kill a gazelle for food.

When lions kill cheetah cubs to reduce competition for food would be a better example of your excellent point. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #40 on: May 6th, 2015, 3:15pm »

on May 5th, 2015, 6:05pm, notdej wrote:
hmmm, lions kill a gazelle for food.

When lions kill cheetah cubs to reduce competition for food would be a better example of your excellent point. Just my opinion.

Peace.

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Interesting thoughts! Notdej, doing a quick back loop here, if absolute true evil does not exist, there could be no demons (since their badness is just a matter of perspective), nor could they be impersonating friendly space brother-ETs (who logically then fit arriving space aliens/transdimensionals or IMAGINARY/NON-EXISTENT ones).

Is all the killing and eating others in nature 'just nature' and sort of value neutral, compelling us to discard all notions of evil and relativate the hell out of everything? (In fairness, animals do not know what they do, merely programmed to survive and procreate.) May be brutal bloody 'nature' does not quite close the door on evil yet: one evolutionary perspective is that millions of years of killing on Earth has been wasteful and cruel, because those lifeforms killed lost precious life and suffered immensely in death. IF YOU ARE DINNER, YOU (gazelle, wild hog, zebra) MAY STRONGLY FEEL IT IS UTTERLY WRONG, ah... 'immoral'.

Sorry for holding forth, but emerging within human consciousness, imo true evil could be real, namely if we empathise with the experience of victims of evil/cruel/violent/murderous acts. Place yourself in the shoes of an African woman, taken from her village by a militia, she's seen her family slaughtered, and she is then raped by a 100 men, some of whom use bayonets in the process before she dies in grief and agony. Or imagine yourself one of the many riding horses stolen in South America for the horsemeat mafia, transported for days in sweltering heat without food or water or veterinary care, beaten, terrified by electrical prods, until rifleshot a few times by these butchers (kinda AIMING for the head) and put to the knife.

Deep suffering, especially combined with the perpretators of violence and cruelty being AWARE of it, and not caring, imo constitutes (levels of) true evil in the world.

If one accepts the above as philosopher's proof of Evil, then any actor (human or non-human) who causes evil to increase could be considered malevolent, demonic or a Demon, depending on their specific qualities. Then yes, they even might be pretending to be aliens, Carol... huh


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« Reply #41 on: May 6th, 2015, 6:25pm »

purr...

IMO people make the mistake of trying to make something out the basic life cycle/ evolution (whatever one wishes to call it) as if supernatural elements are involved

Life has been the same probably all over the universe for countless billions of years.

There are no demons or gods or angels no souls etc... Us humans, for example, are born, we live whatever life we live & we become un-born again- as we were before being born> simple as that.

Pondering over the possibilities of some kind of supernatural involvement is pointless, as we're slowly coming to realize I feel....

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« Reply #42 on: May 6th, 2015, 10:06pm »

I believe evil and UFO's are two different things.

And evil gets complicated.

You can not believe in evil unless one believes in God.

Evil has no conscience, no regard for life.

Evil is dark and cold.

E.T.'s are not spirit beings, but beings with an agenda.



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« Reply #43 on: May 7th, 2015, 06:50am »

Ghostofsilver and Notdej, I tried to show that evil may be observed within evolution by those (humans and other lifeforms) experiencing it. Even without involving God, simply by taking the emotional perspective of victims of suffering and killing.

ALL IT TAKES TO KNOW SUMTIN'S WRONG, IS TO BE ON THE MENU.

I read about this idea in books by Steven Pinker, who is an Atheist.


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« Reply #44 on: May 7th, 2015, 10:05am »

Here Purr,its a worthwhile read.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1786.htm
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