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« Reply #60 on: Jan 8th, 2018, 01:16am »

He is a hard nut to crack but he will crack!

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« Reply #61 on: Jan 8th, 2018, 8:05pm »

on Jan 4th, 2018, 11:06am, Nyx wrote:
This story just died into oblivion, no follow up which is the way most UFO stories go.


That's because you didn't write to your congressman as told.
http://www.mufon.com/mufon-news/uss-nimitz-ufo-incident-write-your-congressman

Note that the request on the MUFON page drew 0 comments, strongly suggesting that MUFON finally fell into The Well of Galactic Oblivion and took the flying saucers with it.






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« Reply #62 on: Jan 8th, 2018, 9:30pm »

Well,

All this "cloak and dagger" give more credibility to Roswell, Rendledsham, and also Bob Lazar.

Bob Lazar's so called UFO Element 115 produces anti-matter and huge magnetic worm holes.

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« Reply #63 on: Jan 8th, 2018, 10:12pm »

on Jan 8th, 2018, 01:16am, GusB wrote:
He is a hard nut to crack but he will crack!


GusB, I've got to side with Tyson on this one. That object was most likely just what Tyson said it was. What I found interesting is now he does seem to be changing his tune on the gun camera footage. Maybe he's taken the time to seriously study this case after all. I'm betting that he read my previous comment and I shamed him into it! wink

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« Reply #64 on: Jan 9th, 2018, 11:57pm »

on Jan 4th, 2018, 11:06am, Nyx wrote:
This story just died into oblivion, no follow up which is the way most UFO stories go.


There was an uncertainty "out there," which newspaper would break the story. At the end, my suggestion prevailed as the choice, because I pointed out that you would take it sort of hard that the story would die off, buried in the usual goulash of circular arguments.

The Washington Post was also considered, but since there is a BELIEF in the UFO, as much there is a BELIEF in God, I presented the Christian crosses once again to the consideration.

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As you see, your nick NYX ends with the St. Andrew's cross. So if your nick ends with a cross, and the abbreviation NYT ends with a cross (the St. Anthony's version) there is a strong comprehensive link between your board name and the acronym of The New York Times.

NYX <--------> NYT

The "elder" ET-based humans hacked the mind of the folks at NYT and that was it. Well, they had to do some hacking within the military as well, because there is no way the Pentagon would release this type of info to the newspeople. The last time it did was 70 years ago and it started up the Roswell case. (Happy anniversary!). This time, however, it will not start anything that the earth-based humans could notice and find out of the ordinary. It's like seeing letters X and T - an ordinary letters.

Nyx, does your interest/obsession with the UFO bother you in some way? Maybe I could pass a word "out there" and free you from it. I mean, I cannot do the freeing personally, because I've been suspended and demoted for "gross disobedience." But I can put in a word for you, even though I'm rather skeptical about it.








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« Reply #65 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 9:45pm »

Another interview with the pilot. There's a little more detail in this one.



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« Reply #66 on: Jan 12th, 2018, 11:51pm »

on Jan 8th, 2018, 12:15am, nofooln wrote:
If they are here, and it sure does seem that they are, they have their own agenda, and it doesn't involve our approval. Their agenda could benefit us, but most certainly it benefits them.


How can you say that their agenda "most certainly benefits them" without having the slightest idea what that agenda is?

How can you possibly say that their agenda doesn't need our approval with all the UFO cases reported? Or is it completely out of question that a set of related UFO sightings asks if it is okay to do this or that? Of course, when it becomes apparent that the UFO situation is met with unparallel ignorance and the only interest is to cash on it by starting some religion-like movement, then there is nothing much the aliens can do but to go ahead with their "agenda."
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« Reply #67 on: Jan 13th, 2018, 10:54pm »

on Jan 12th, 2018, 11:51pm, travex wrote:
How can you say that their agenda "most certainly benefits them" without having the slightest idea what that agenda is?

How can you possibly say that their agenda doesn't need our approval with all the UFO cases reported? Or is it completely out of question that a set of related UFO sightings asks if it is okay to do this or that? Of course, when it becomes apparent that the UFO situation is met with unparallel ignorance and the only interest is to cash on it by starting some religion-like movement, then there is nothing much the aliens can do but to go ahead with their "agenda."

For starters, we don't know for a fact that we are being visited by ET. There is a lot of speculation going on which is caused by the lack of info. This video has been around a few years, so that alone raises some questions about its validity. So, the following comments don't mean that I believe for a fact that any of this is true. They are conditional on these things being true.

I or no one else for that matter has knowledge about ET. Perhaps those who have had direct contact with them could challenge that, but they'd have to prove it. So far no one has been able to do that. If ETs are anything like us, they do things to get what they want. They wouldn't make the trip and devote the resources for no good reason. That reason constitutes an agenda that serves their wishes and more than likely provides them with some kind of benefit. It seems fairly obvious that they are here for something they want.

Since they appear to have been visiting us for some time, have not made contact, and go wherever they want, they pretty much have demonstrated that they don't care if we object. While I say that they have not made contact, they have shown themselves to us many times using objects that we can't duplicate. That in itself is a form of communication. Actions translated to words: “We are here, we are more advanced than you, and we will go where we want to.”

Personally, I think they're looking for a certain Buick Grand National. cool

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« Reply #68 on: Jan 14th, 2018, 12:16am »

NF/FLAT,

"Personally, I think they're looking for a certain Buick Grand National."

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« Reply #69 on: Jan 14th, 2018, 6:26pm »

WOO-HOO!! THEY'LL NEVER CATCH IT! grin

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« Reply #70 on: Jan 14th, 2018, 10:16pm »

on Jan 13th, 2018, 10:54pm, nofooln wrote:
For starters, we don't know for a fact that we are being visited by ET.


I based my remark on what you wrote previously; namely, "If they are here, and it sure does seem that they are...," giving it the meaning that the degree of certainty reflected by the word "sure" is enough to go ahead and speculate beyond the usual point whether UFOs are real or not. Now I see that you are taking much more cautious approach.

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While I say that they have not made contact, they have shown themselves to us many times using objects that we can't duplicate. That in itself is a form of communication. Actions translated to words: “We are here, we are more advanced than you, and we will go where we want to.”


Why would they repeat that sentence so many times using "different words?" The type of UFOs wide variety of behavior rather suggest that different messages are send out to... very likely to someone who can actually read it.

They did or tried to make a contact the same way you turn your flashlight on and off hoping someone will see it. The description someone is turning his flashlight on and off and someone is turning his flashlight in a particular manner makes a big difference. Repeating pulses, like _ _ _. . . _ _ _ mean a distress signal - if you are aware of the Morse code. If you don't, the pulses wouldn't make sense to you and the light would be found to behave in a bizarre manner, which is the same conclusion J. Allen Hynek reached after the US military had asked him to look into the UFO situation.
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« Reply #71 on: Jan 15th, 2018, 12:30am »

on Jan 14th, 2018, 10:16pm, travex wrote:
I based my remark on what you wrote previously; namely, "If they are here, and it sure does seem that they are...," giving it the meaning that the degree of certainty reflected by the word "sure" is enough to go ahead and speculate beyond the usual point whether UFOs are real or not. Now I see that you are taking much more cautious approach.

I think these kinds of discussions can get skewed too far to one side, therefore I qualified my remarks. Anyway, “sure seems” is not the same as “definitely” or “I absolutely believe”. I think it's better described as clarifying my view.



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Why would they repeat that sentence so many times using "different words?" The type of UFOs wide variety of behavior rather suggest that different messages are send out to... very likely to someone who can actually read it.

My comment was only an example of what they are saying to us. I'd agree that they are saying more than that. In any case, it's pretty limited.

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They did or tried to make a contact the same way you turn your flashlight on and off hoping someone will see it. The description someone is turning his flashlight on and off and someone is turning his flashlight in a particular manner makes a big difference. Repeating pulses, like _ _ _. . . _ _ _ mean a distress signal - if you are aware of the Morse code. If you don't, the pulses wouldn't make sense to you and the light would be found to behave in a bizarre manner, which is the same conclusion J. Allen Hynek reached after the US military had asked him to look into the UFO situation.

Maybe some of the abduction cases represent an attempt at contact but the message just wasn't deemed credible or valid by us. However, the thing that suggests that this probably isn't the case is that the memories of experiencers are usually blocked. I tend to believe that there is no wish to make formal contact, and there are no hidden messages coming from them. Unless there are. wink

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« Reply #72 on: Jan 16th, 2018, 5:06pm »

This former Navy pilot, who once chased a UFO, says we should take them seriously

David Fravor, commander of a Navy squadron aboard the USS Nimitz, had an encounter with a UFO that is hard to explain.

By Martin Finucane Globe Staff / www.bostonglobe.com/staff/finucane
January 16, 2018

David Fravor is a recognizable type. Affable, neatly dressed, with a men’s regular haircut and semi-rimless glasses, he’s a retired military man who works as a consultant in the Boston area. He could be standing in front of you in a Starbucks line and you wouldn’t notice him at all.

But the story he has to tell is literally out of this world.

Thirteen years ago, the Windham, N.H., resident was a veteran US Navy pilot at the controls of an F/A-18-F fighter jet flying off San Diego when he sighted an unidentified flying object and tried to intercept it.

“I want to join on it. I want to see how close I can get to it,” Fravor, 53, said, describing his thinking as he began the pursuit.
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Then the object, which looked like a 4o-foot-long Tic Tac candy, “goes whoosh, and it’s gone.” he said. It accelerated rapidly and disappeared like no aircraft he had ever seen in his career.

Fravor has been in the news recently after the New York Times broke the story that the Pentagon had a secret program that investigated reports of UFOs. The Defense Department says it closed down the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program in 2012 after five years, but the program’s backers say it remains in existence, investigating UFO reports from service members while carrying out other duties.

The story of Fravor’s close encounter accompanied the expose, illustrating the kinds of UFO stories that are hard to explain away.

“I know what I saw,” said Fravor.

The incident occurred on Nov. 14, 2004. It was about 140 miles southwest of San Diego, Fravor said. The commander of a squadron of more than 300 service members aboard the carrier USS Nimitz, he was flying a brand-new plane with a weapons systems officer in the back seat. Another fighter from his squadron, with pilot and weapons system officer aboard, was flying with him. It was a perfect Southern California day.

The sea was calm, without whitecaps. No clouds marred the sky.

A radio operator from the cruiser USS Princeton directed them to an area where the Princeton had been tracking mysterious objects for two weeks. The objects had been dropping straight down from above 80,000 feet and stopping at 20,000 feet. “They’d hang out for hours, and then when they were done, they would go straight back up,” Fravor said.

When the two fighters got to the assigned location, they spotted a disturbance under the water, Fravor said. To him, it looked like something the size of a Boeing 737 airplane was underneath, causing waves to break over it.

“Then we see this bright white object” above the disturbance, moving erratically, back and forth, left and right, bouncing around like a ping pong ball, he said.

Fravor’s jet and the other jet were circling the spot. The other jet was high, Fravor’s jet lower. Trying to get a closer look at the Tic Tac, he began an easy, circular descent toward it.

The object “starts mirroring me,” beginning its own circular ascent from the ocean, he said.

“It’s at about the 2 o’clock and it’s coming up, and I’m at about the 8 o’clock position coming down,” he said, using the cap of a pen to illustrate the maneuvers during an interview at a suburban restaurant.

At that point, he said, he decided to cut across and head directly toward the mysterious object. He turned, dove, then pulled up his plane’s nose — and it zoomed away.

Fravor then looked for the underwater object, and saw that it, too, had disappeared.

The fighters conferred with the Princeton and were told to head to a rendezvous point 60 miles away. They headed toward it when the Princeton told them that radar had picked up the object again — already at the rendezvous point.

When the two jets got there, the object had disappeared. Why it decided to go there of all places is a mystery, Fravor said.

Nearing the end of a 24-year career in the Navy and Marines, Fravor had plenty of experience encountering other aircraft in the sky, but this one was different, he said. It was bright white, cylindrical, with rounded ends. It had no wings, no windows, no exhaust plume.

And then there was that speed. “It was impressive. It was fast. It was maneuverable, and I’d really like to fly it,” Fravor said he told the executive officer on the Nimitz afterwards.

He came within nearly a half-mile of it, he estimated. He and his back-seater as well as the men in the other plane saw it with their own eyes for 3 to 5 minutes, he said.

“What’s unique about [our encounter] is we physically interacted and chased it,” he said. “We literally engaged it.”

Later, back at the carrier, he told his back-seater, “Dude, I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty weirded out.”

More fighters were launched and, while they didn’t see it with the naked eye, one crew saw it on their radar and video screens, he said. A copy of the video has been released by the Defense Department. (A second video released by the government shows a different encounter on the East Coast.)

In addition to the Princeton tracking the objects, Fravor said, the Nimitz and an E-2 surveillance plane in the area could also see the objects on their radars.

Was there an intelligence controlling the object?

“Oh, yeah,” Fravor said. “It reacted to us.”

Fravor has no idea what the object was or what it was doing. He says he jokes with people that the object was the one that messed up — by being seen and chased when it wasn’t supposed to be.

He got plenty of ribbing back aboard the carrier. But he said he was surprised at the lack of curiosity the Defense Department showed about the encounter, which happened in an area well-known as a Navy training ground.

“I figured someone would come out,” he said. After all, they’d been tracking the objects for two weeks and surely a debriefing would be in order. But no one ever did.

Fravor said if a foreign submarine had surfaced behind a carrier in the area, dire alarms would have been raised and questions would have been asked about how it had penetrated the Navy’s defense.

“And yet now you have many of these objects, like a dozen of them, that are just, at will, just showing up, doing whatever they want, and going away and you can do nothing about it. And no one asks any questions,” he said.

Over the years, it became just a funny story that he would tell friends — until he was contacted several months ago by Luis Elizondo, the man who once headed the Pentagon program, who asked him to tell his story to the Times.

Now he’s glad the issue is making headlines. And he supports the work of the To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science, a new group that Elizondo has joined that aims to raise money for UFO research.

“I think the story needs to be told. We need to stop making jokes and start paying attention to it,” Fravor said.

“This is not a US problem. This is a global issue,” he said. “Why aren’t we investigating these things? . . . If it’s like ‘E.T.’, then it’s all good. If it’s like ‘War of the Worlds’ or ‘Independence Day,’ then not so much.”

He said it appears our existing technology is “way, way behind” and that if we could understand the Tic Tac’s technology it could benefit the world, leading, for example, to new sources of energy.

The $22 million reportedly spent on the five-year Pentagon program was like a “rounding error” in the Defense Department’s massive budget, he said. With better funding, he believes a breakthrough could happen.

“With the right money and the right focus, you can figure this out,” he said. “I think there’s enough brilliant, open minds.”

Fravor describes himself as an average guy — “total middle class from Toledo, Ohio” — who’s somehow managed to have some amazing experiences. (Among other things, he appeared in the PBS documentary series “Carrier” and has flown his jet over the Super Bowl.)

He said his recent appearances in the news have inspired some jests from friends, which he expected. But so far the overall reaction has been positive.

Fravor, who is married and has two grown children, said his neighbors in New Hampshire haven’t said much about it.

One, though, stopped by with a present: a box of Tic Tacs.

Does he think he will ever see a UFO again?

“Never say never. But there’s, what, 7½ billion people in the world? — and I chased it,” he said.

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« Reply #73 on: Jan 16th, 2018, 5:52pm »

Back on January 11, Tucker Carlson and Leslie Kean on Fox News tried to generate interest in this UFO story, but I think it fell on "deaf ears".

We need that UFO to land at the White House to lunch with Trump.

Ivan T. Sanderson, British intelligence during WW II, linked UFOs to water in 75% of UFO sightings.

His opinion was that these UFOs lived under our seas.

Upon his death his notes and personal library were stolen.
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on Jan 16th, 2018, 5:06pm, Swamprat wrote:

The fighters conferred with the Princeton and were told to head to a rendezvous point 60 miles away. They headed toward it when the Princeton told them that radar had picked up the object again — already at the rendezvous point.

When the two jets got there, the object had disappeared. Why it decided to go there of all places is a mystery, Fravor said.



And it will remain a mystery, because the idea that the ET's monitor the radio traffic and understand its content will never materialize in our silly heads.

This is a complete comedy... rolleyes







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