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« Thread started on: Feb 5th, 2014, 7:54pm »

Carol Rainey's latest video addition to her YouTube channel, Budd Hopkins & Lt Col Corso at San Marino, 1998 v3. An outstanding glimpse, in my opinion, at some ufology history as well as the lack of credibility of Corso's claims. Her description and clip:

Published on Feb 4, 2014
Two controversial UFO researchers, Budd Hopkins and Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret) tangle at the 1998 San Marino conference. Hopkins is looking for proof of the startling claims made in 'The Day After Roswell,' a new book that Corso co-authored with William Birnes. It arguably has as many skeptics and critics as does Hopkins' own recent book, 'Witnessed,' an account of the Linda Cortile abduction case.


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« Reply #1 on: Feb 11th, 2014, 09:40am »

Philip Corso One Last Time

A Different Perspective

February 10, 2014

I am often surprised at the support that some alleged UFO witnesses manage gain in the face of their repeated deceptions. Admitted hoaxes are still reported as true with the added claim that the CIA forced the change as a way of explaining that new infomation. Failure to supply any documentation or evidence for their claims is ignored. And even with that, there are those who continue to support the most outrageous of claims. Even the ridiculous words of those witnesses donít seem to change opinions as the situations develop.

For those who seem to believe that there is something important in what Philip Corso said, I say, read the document published by Open Minds. It took me several attempts to download this book written by Corso without the filters offered by Bill Birnes, and it is certainly a revelation. It provides insight into Corsoís personality and suggests reasons for the stories he told.

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http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/02/philip-corso-one-last-time.html
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 07:33am »

Stanley Romanek of UFO fame arrested and faces child porn charges

Orlando Paranormal Examiner

February 16, 2014

Stanley Romanek was arrested Thursday on charges related to the distribution of child pornography. A controversial and well known figure within the UFO community, Romanek was reported by the 'Loveland News' to have been taken into custody as the result of a months-long investigation involving the Department of Homeland Security. The Colorado paper further reported the arrest warrant, issued Wednesday, charged Romanek with sexual exploitation of a child and stemmed from an initial search warrant on his computer served in April of 2013.

Romanek has long been known to the UFO community due to his controversial and difficult to believe claims of alien abduction. His allegations include frequent visitations from otherworldly beings, photographs of such beings and the existence of ET-human hybrid children he has fathered.

Among Romanek's more outspoken critics was James Carrion, a former international director of the Mutual UFO Network. In his blog post, 'Are you fallowing me?', Carrion reported that the word "follow" was repeatedly misspelled as "fallow" in numerous suspicious circumstances. Such circumstances were in support of the Romanek case and allegedly written by different sources and witnesses. The recurring spelling error caused Carrion to question the authenticity of the supporting documents, which included reports submitted by Romanek, alleged third party witnesses and alleged physicists.

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Larimer County Crime Stoppers reported Thursday that Romanek's arrest was related to the sharing and possession of child pornography. In addition to the Department of Homeland Security, the investigation included Loveland Police Detectives and the Northern Colorado Forensics Laboratory. Romanek reportedly turned himself in at the Larimer County Jail and was charged with sexual exploitation of a child, a class III felony, and sexual exploitation of a child, a class IV felony. The class III felony alleges distribution of child pornography and the class IV felony charge was related to the alleged possession of more than 20 images of child pornography.

The initial warrant denied bail but was modified to a personal recognizance bond of $20,000. According to Larimer County Crime Stoppers, Romanek remained in custody as of Thursday evening.

Full article, including some of Romanek's photos of alleged aliens and supporting links:

http://www.examiner.com/article/stanley-romanek-of-ufo-fame-arrested-and-faces-child-porn-charges
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 3:11pm »

Here is a letter from Lisa Romanek that Steve Hudgeons posted on Mufon's Facebook. (Subsequent comments also attached)

Steve Hudgeons Jr.‎Mutual UFO Network (MUFON)
FROM LISA ROMANEK

Good morning friends. I want to make a brief comment to you all regarding what has been happening the past couple of days.
If you haven't yet seen the article you will in time. And I refuse to share the twisted story of Stans arrest that was ran in the paper on my FB page. It is everywhere...

I will give you the basics...Last April a search warrant was served. On this past Wednesday a warrant was issued, Stan cooperated by turning himself in. The charge as far as we know (without having an attorney in place until next week) is of possession of...NOT distribution. He was released Thursday, and can not access internet for the time being...as a condition of his release.

Anyone who follows Stan is already aware of the harrassment, break-ins, hacking and remote access of our computers for starters that we have experienced.

It is our belief, that whoever has been accessing our system also left behind traces to verify the Office of Homeland Security tip that the police department received.

For those of you who have reached out for answers with love and concern ... I hope this helps you understand what's happening.

For those of you who live in fear and function in hate..please just unfriend us both and do not make this terrifying situation any worse with your ignorant threats and ugly statements. They will not be responded to and will be deleted and reported as abusive.

We will be taking UFOlogy into the courtroom. We know that this has EVERTING... to do with our being outspoken about the ET/UFO reality!

Thank you for your love and continued support...

Lisa


Cole Young: This discredits everything Stan Romanek has ever said...
quoted from a credible ufology debunking website. "Listen to this in itunes and skip forward to the times i point out.
My mouth dropped open in absolute shock and disgust at the stupidty of this fakiness.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/.../stan-romanek-abduction...

At 21:11 you here a noise in the back ground which is Stan playing with a recorded computerized voice when he thinks he is 'off air' during a short brake. He must be checking it is working.

At 29:28 you here Stan use his recorded voice which says the same sentence as before but clearer. You can sense in his voice before he plays it that he waiting for the moment to use it.

What a total joke! I really cant believe he thinks people will believe this. He is trying to become famous at the expense of the dignity of the UFO field. Someone needs to have a word with this guy and stop him, for the sake of every true experiencer out there like David because this really is a gigantic slap in the face for them. What a lack of respect."

I'm sure you can conclude on your own... Now he is being charged for the possession of drugs?
about an hour ago

Cole Young: Oh im sorry i meant to say now he is being charged for the possession of CHILD PORN?!
about an hour ago

Mick Yexley: I will be fallowing this story closely( Ha! Ha!)
about an hour ago

Paola Leopizzi Harris: IF...I say IF this is a set up they have successfully " Shut down" his Documentary before it went public. In a Fair Court we need to hear all the Facts..in this story. Wait and See and keep the golden rule here..Don't do unto others..
58 minutes ago

Ryan Wa: Lisa: please answer this. Why was Stan throwing objects and pretending it was a paranormal event. caught fakinghttp://youtu.be/rUBNrl-nJD4
58 minutes ago

Mick Yexley: Paola I would say instead of being shut down this publicity would draw attention to it
53 minutes ago

Kirsty Col: They have been doing or trying to do the same thing to members of anonymous.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 3:54pm »

on Feb 16th, 2014, 3:11pm, Swamprat wrote:
Here is a letter from Lisa Romanek that Steve Hudgeons posted on Mufon's Facebook. (Subsequent comments also attached)

Anyone surprised by the defense?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 5:23pm »

conspirators..kooks..tinfoilers..now perverts. this association is heart breaking and troubling..

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 7:25pm »

on Feb 16th, 2014, 3:54pm, GhostofEd wrote:
Anyone surprised by the defense?


Not me and when I first heard about Romanek's claims several years back my first thought then was that he was a fraud.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 8:13pm »

Thanks, Swamprat... Ghost, Harry, drwu...

on Feb 16th, 2014, 5:23pm, Harry Lime wrote:
conspirators..kooks..tinfoilers..now perverts. this association is heart breaking and troubling..


In my opinion, the ufology landscape - and particularly the alien abduction genre - is and has been an extremely troubling set of circumstances for a long, long time. A primary challenge, as viewed from my seat, is the desensitization of individuals to increasingly credulous and outrageously fantastic claims.

In the process, circumstances of, by any other name, sexual molestation and related acts are volleyed about with little more concern or consequence than if we were discussing a trip to the dentist, if not less concern and consequence. The fact of the matter (yes, fact, whether a majority is willing or able to accept it) is that such claims and perceptions have likely explanations, and those explanations are most certainly not grounded in the extraterrestrial.

By nature, it is a disturbing genre. Trauma reigns. It's just largely ignored, as, by the way, was the case in many such peoples' families of origin. The future leads to the past and all that.

There may be events of paranormal nature. Some may be very interesting. While that may be the case, such events are not to be found or explained within the camps of credulous, disturbed and people experiencing untreated (here's that word again) trauma.

At least that's how it looks from my chair.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 16th, 2014, 9:41pm »

Well, apparently the Homeland Security HAS been involved in child porn investigations!

Joint DHS-DOJ "Operation Protect Our Children" Seizes Website Domains Involved in Advertising and Distributing Child Pornography

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February 15, 2011


Read More: www.dhs.gov/news/2011/02/15/joint-dhs-doj-operation-protect-our-children-seizes-website-domains-involved
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 17th, 2014, 7:27pm »

Thanks, Swamprat. It appears the DHS investigates much more than is popularly understood.

Below is a link to a press release issued by the Loveland Police Department. Already we can see some rather obvious discrepancies between the statements issued by the PD and those recently made by Lisa Romanek.

http://www.ci.loveland.co.us/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=19023

The press release states in part:

"Romanek turned himself in at the Larimer County Jail this morning on charges of Sexual Exploitation of a Child, a class IV Felony and Sexual Exploitation of a Child, a class III Felony. The class III felony alleges distribution of child pornography and the class IV felony relates to the possession of more than 20 images of child pornography."

It then continues:

"The warrant was further progression of an eight month long investigation of the online sharing and possession of child pornography that included the execution of a search warrant in April, 2013. The search warrant was executed at Romanekís home and followed several tips that were provided by Homeland Security that were then investigated further by Loveland Police Detectives and the Northern Colorado Regional Forensics Laboratory."
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 21st, 2014, 10:10pm »

More from the Loveland News on the Romanek legal problems:

http://www.reporterherald.com/news/loveland-local-news/ci_25196461/ufo-author-appears-court-child-pornography-charges

An excerpt:

"The investigation was initiated last year when the Department of Homeland Security identified the IP address belonging to Romanek as a location where images and movies containing child pornography were being publicly shared, according to an arrest affidavit.

"The arrest affidavit also alleges that Loveland police detectives received a similar case from the Department of Homeland Security in a 2009 investigation, where a homeland security agent conducted downloads of child pornography files that were later identified as coming from an IP address listing to Romanek.

"Computers seized during the April 2013 search of Romanek's home were found to include more than 300 images depicting child pornography, according to the arrest affidavit.

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"In an April interview with Loveland police, Romanek told police that he didn't know how the files got on his computer but theorized that someone had planted them there, according to the arrest affidavit.

"Romanek appeared in 8th Judicial District Court on Tuesday and the public defender was appointed to represent him in the case. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing at 1:30 p.m. on March 18."
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 22nd, 2014, 07:51am »

I'm not a fan of Romanek but i do know that in the old days and probably still when using Torrents you can have your computer used in ways you have no idea were being done!

Lady out here got caught in a sting in NY about 6 years ago. Her daughter dnlded a few movies and ended up with a repository of child porn loaded on her computer. She noticed that her computer would turn on by itself at night and run for a while then shut down. She thought it was her anti-virus but it wasn't. She took it to a Geeker locally and he found the hidden files and turned her in to the police. She spent mucho big bucks to get her self free!

It can happen so even though I've heard reported ( and posted such on another link) that they caught him also trolling for youngsters online which supposedly was the impetus for the original investigation, waiting for the story to play out would seem prudent!

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 22nd, 2014, 09:29am »

LONE,

HAVING RECENTLY ENCOUTERED SOMEONE INSTALLING A "TAP SNAKE" ON MY PHONE TO SUBVERT AND AT WILL DOWNLOAD WHATEVER...I CAUGHT THEM (WHOMEVER) ATTEMPTING TO DUMP "PORNO" ONTO MY PHONE AND IMMEDIATELY TOOK ACTION AS I ANTICPATED MORE NEFARIOUS DOWNLOADS TO WHAT EVER END(WHOMEVER) WAS TRYING TO FABRICATE AND ENTRAP!!!

THEREFORE...LIKE THE N.T.S.B.~I THINK COOLER HEADS SHOULD WAIT AND SEE AS TO WHAT EVIDENCE IS PUT FORWARD AND HOW SUCH DATA CAME TO STAN'S COMPUTER{HOW~WHEN~WHY~HOW MANY TIMES~SAVED AS FILE TO OTHER FILES~ETC.} (REGRETABLY HE HAS A COURT APPOINTED LAWER~I THINK~WHICH LIMITS FUNDING FOR DEFENSE INVESTIGATIONS~AND YOU KNOW WHO PAYS THEIR SALARIES~HOWEVER~I RESPECT THE SYSTEM AND RULE OF LAW)...THOSE A.B.C. AGENCIES SEEM TO HAVE A "CAPONE" FLARE ABOUT THEIR DUTIES...

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« Reply #13 on: Feb 22nd, 2014, 09:47am »

This discussion brings up an interesting question.

Would a jury containing an individual inclined to believe in conspiracies ever convict anyone? We see many examples in Ufology where regardless of the tenuous nature of the claim and reasonable counter arguments it will still be believed because there's some conspiracy.
I would think defense attorneys would love such jurors.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 11th, 2014, 9:36pm »

Romanek conspiracy requires solid evidence

March 11, 2014

Orlando Paranormal Examiner

News traveled quickly around the UFO community of Stan Romanek's arrest in February on child exploitation charges related to possessing and distributing pornography. Romanek's status as a high profile and controversial alleged alien abductee put the wheels of conspiracy theories in motion, as expressed in comments posted at 'Orlando Paranormal Examiner'.

Many suggested Romanek was set up and unjustly charged in order to quiet his declarations of contact with an alien intelligence. Romanek's wife, Lisa Romanek, was quoted by 'Huffington Post' as stating the couple was being harassed and that the arrest had everything to do with being outspoken about what she termed the ET/UFO reality. Rumors of state-sponsored harassment were further fueled by the involvement of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the investigation and resulting arrest, circumstances that many suggested were unusual and indicative of conspiracy.

'Orlando Paranormal Examiner' conducted research to establish if the involvement of the DHS was, in fact, unusual in such cases. The conclusion was no, not in the least.

Many people associate the DHS with counter terrorism operations. While that is correct, counter terrorism is not the exclusive interest of the agency, which actually conducts many additional law enforcement activities, including investigation of human trafficking, child exploitation and similar crimes.

A 2011 press release available on the DHS website provided details about Operation Protect Our Children, jointly conducted between the DHS and the Department of Justice. Statements contained in the press release suggested the DHS is committed to working with law enforcement partners to shut down websites and arrest individuals engaging in the promotion and sharing of child pornography.

U.S.Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is identified as the principle investigative arm of the DHS, containing over 20,000 employees located in all 50 states and 47 foreign countries. The ICE website indicated that the same week Romanek was arrested, a Denver man appeared in court on charges of producing, distributing and possessing child pornography, circumstances resulting from an ICE investigation.

Similarly and since the time of the Romanek arrest, a March 6 ICE press release indicated a South Florida man was indicted for possession and distribution of child pornography. As a matter of fact, the ICE website enables access to viewing dozens of such press releases published just since the turn of the year. Clearly, the DHS conducts such operations on a regular basis.

Conspiracy theories are not impossible, and their actuality has precedence. Some significant conspiracies have been validated, well documented and thoroughly reported. Validated conspiracies, however, require much more than allegations. They require verifiable evidence which produces proof of the alleged circumstances.

If the Romaneks and their following hope to persuade others and a U.S. court to share their claimed beliefs of a conspiracy, much more will be required than simply arguing the point. To expect others to share one's beliefs without producing conclusive evidence is simply unreasonable - and the point could be well made that is a primary problem within the collective UFO community in general.

See site for supporting links:

http://www.examiner.com/article/romanek-conspiracy-requires-solid-evidence
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