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« Reply #105 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 3:50pm »

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« Reply #106 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 4:18pm »

on Aug 13th, 2015, 11:28pm, jjflash wrote:
Thanks for following and sharing info about the Lash case, Sys. Am I correct that authorities have still not published conclusive info about how such a large stash of cash and weapons ended up in his possession? That item is a stickler.




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When it comes to Firearms collections and ammo 'on hand' this guy is a piker. My two business partners and I could cover his 'stash' in one day of shooting at 'Knob Creek' when we go!

In our legal Ton tine Trust we have at least 30 machine guns, all of which are historical in nature and come from 9 different countries.
We burn 10-20 thousand rounds in an afternoon of shooting at various venues throughout the country!

I probably know at least 5 different people who have at at least as much as he did legally.
Only two of them have a Class 3 license the rest are just regular citizens which is legal in 46 of the 50 states if proper tax stamps are purchased from the Treasury and ATFE!

The media have read way too much into this so called 'Unanswered Question' and not enough on what a kind and giving person he was and how he was mislead by all other miscreants involved in this case!


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« Reply #107 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 4:42pm »

on Aug 30th, 2015, 4:18pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
JJ,

When it comes to Firearms collections and ammo 'on hand' this guy is a piker. My two business partners and I could cover his 'stash' in one day of shooting at 'Knob Creek' when we go!

In our legal Ton tine Trust we have at least 30 machine guns, all of which are historical in nature and come from 9 different countries.
We burn 10-20 thousand rounds in an afternoon of shooting at various venues throughout the country!

I probably know at least 5 different people who have at at least as much as he did legally.
Only two of them have a Class 3 license the rest are just regular citizens which is legal in 46 of the 50 states if proper tax stamps are purchased from the Treasury and ATFE!

The media have read way too much into this so called 'Unanswered Question' and not enough on what a kind and giving person he was and how he was mislead by all other miscreants involved in this case!


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I don't doubt there have been some less than entirely truthful aspects of this case spread around. I think that is part of the interest in it (trying to sort it out).

But are you aware, Lone, of the initial AP reports?

The links below...

on Jul 24th, 2015, 5:54pm, jjflash wrote:
In a bizarre chain of events involving a dead man and a million dollar stash of guns and ammo, he reportedly told acquaintances a number of difficult to believe claims, including he was an undercover intelligence operative - and an ET-human hybrid. Sources:

Space alien or secret agent? Dead man found with trove of weapons, 'The Washington Times'

Dead LA man who had 1,200 guns identified, is 'part alien', 'New York Daily News'


...contained this info:

on Jul 24th, 2015, 9:36pm, jjflash wrote:
Yeah, attorney Harland Braun raised similar questions:

Los Angeles police found more than 1,200 guns, nearly 7 tons of ammunition, bows and arrows, knives, machetes and $230,000 in cash inside Lash's home last Friday.

They also discovered a Toyota SUV designed to drive underwater among the 14 vehicles registered in his name.

The collection was as odd as Lash's confessions to his soon-to-be-wife Catherine Nebron that he was working as an undercover operative for multiple unnamed government agencies, according to her defense attorney Harland Braun.

"The story itself sounds totally crazy, but then how do you explain all this?" Braun said. "There's no evidence he was a drug dealer or he stole these weapons, or had any criminal source of income, no stolen property, all the stuff you'd look for."


I suppose I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that's relatively normal behavior outside of my social circles, but I've never personally known anyone that keeps that kind of cash in their homes, or 1200 guns at their house. LAPD reported that to be the case, as I understand it.

Wouldn't that have to be explained in order to relegate the case to mundane and over sensationalized?

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« Reply #108 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 8:10pm »

Lone you are correct in many have large collections so


I just thought I would visit some other gun collectors sites to get some context.
anybody interested?
http://privateguncollection.com/
actually a Bruce Stearns conneticut
http://pd-evolution.blogspot.com/2008/05/late-charleton-hestons-basement.html
http://www.nationalgunforum.com/collectors-corner/1924-so-you-think-you-ve-got-gun-collection.html
So. You think YOU'VE got a GUN COLLECTION?
Excerpt:
It's an arsenal, really, of about 3,800 firearms, more than 1,000 bayonets and about 250,000 rounds ammunition. The collection spans Civil War to Wal - Mart: Winchester, Smith & Wesson, Remington, Ruger, Mauser, Mosin Nagant . Weapons worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Some say it is one of the largest private gun collections in Nevada, assembled by a solitary man who lived a quiet life in Pahrump.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g51267-d592253-r298593029-J_M_Davis_Arms_Historical_Museum-Claremore_Oklahoma.html

what caught my attention was this phrase .as I don't own any guns..but this makes sense for a true long term collector. climate control and storage vaults.

Hovever..

the garage would not qualify as such for a true collectors save as a transit point and the neighbors saw nothing. there should only be so many climate controlled vault businesses I would imagine.
http://privateguncollection.com/e
been stored in climate controlled vaults
All have been stored in climate controlled vaults

therefore..JJ would be correct as well..
this is very very important if you live in salty air or other climates.

1200 all in one spot..for any period of time..would be crazy for a true collector since the 90s and a multi millionaire who could afford it.
Thereare only so many specialized storages like that in California
He could have accumulated these based on deliveries he could not attend to as he was almost an invalid.at least six months...and his parners did not care about while they were imo fleecing him

the legal issue to me is..who was in control..that would be CN..who owned the condo..CN...whose family member did Laura vadbunker try to protect..at seen of death..ie the xhusband...why CN..who admiited to helping purchase..CN
of course.
Who controlled all the checkbooks and probably hired Ms Lyons the records expert tech to help access whatever else he had..

all roads lead to CN

Imo she was dirty then and she is dirty now..





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« Reply #109 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 9:02pm »

Thanks, Sys. More interesting food for thought.

Also, I'd really wanna know what detectives eventually conclude about nearly a quarter million in cash lying around. That's not your run of the mill sock drawer, no matter what gun collectors might typically do.

The 7 tons of ammo remains of interest, as well. There should theoretically be a chain of where that and the weapons came from (credit card receipts, etc.). It would seem to me there should also theoretically be a clear history of intent for their use. While that may or may not be a legal issue, it would certainly offer some clues as to who these people were and what they were doing.
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« Reply #110 on: Aug 30th, 2015, 10:34pm »

well JJ..mulling this over..
what do I make of this..i can imagine that in the last 6 months not seen publicly due to his condition if LV is to be believed at all..he had no control over purchasing and the items were delivere or mailed and accummulated there based on what he had paid for already...and CN saw no need to deliver anything anywhere to any storage, and Jeff could not do anything but sit there and let CN and Dawn pluck what they could. It was CN who hired Dawn as best as I can remember. The man was in final stages of a neuropathy, I doubt he could clean himself..
It was CN who was calling the shots during this time..it was CN who owned the property and had to have let those guns pile up to waste in a very uncollectorlike manner. If Jeff had sold a weapon previously she could not even give to a buyer as se was not licensed. She would need someone very computer savyy to help sort and identify income and sort out the maze of prepaid accounts before he died. Maybe she did..Ms Lyons..another aggrieved lurking lady..the tech expert..One passwords and accounts were acquired ..all eyes turned to poor Bob.
It is said he overheated....in a parking lot.whew! Like a baby or pet left inside a car the with the windows closed. Did someone forget to turn on the ac? He never made it to Starbucks for a nice Iced cappuccino.. It must have been murder in that parking lot. I wonder what kind of fight he really put up that day that fateful July 4 CNs Independence Day. The Day Jeffrey Alan Lash Died for their sins.

I will keep him in prayer..and pray for a Good Cop to come on the scene.

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« Reply #111 on: Aug 31st, 2015, 10:08am »

I was going to mention Bruce Sterns collection who owns the collection in the link. I knew him through the Coalition of Connecticut Sportsmen! He was a great, honest lawyer and worked tirelessly for citizens rights here in Connecticut!

Most of his collection was donated to the NRA museum and a few to the Smithsonian from what I gather.

On the stash in the garage! I think I read that he had moved there recently and hadn't had a chance to have a safe built for his weapons.
Now days $250,000 kept in your home might not be as rare as you might think. Maybe that was money to build it! It wasn't very bright though to store them in the maner he did and from pictures I saw most of them were not collectible!

His statements to 'acquaintances' might just have been a 'none your damned business' type quip to maintain his privacy from nosy neighbors and keep them guessing.

Hell he may have been crazier than a crap house rat. but so far nothing he had nor did makes him out as the bad guy here!

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« Reply #112 on: Aug 31st, 2015, 11:46am »

Wouldn't the bottom line be the origin of the weapons, ammo and cash in the home? My first thoughts would be that it shouldn't be extremely difficult for authorities to identify if the items were obtained, transferred and stored legally, and what histories the people in question have in the weapons industry.

As published in a July article at 'LA Weekly':

The guns and ammo were seized and booked into evidence, police said.

Detectives with the department's Gun Detail, meanwhile, were "looking into the origin and legality of the firearms," according to the LAPD's statement.


To the best of my knowledge, that info has not yet been released. I may have missed it, though.

From a July article at 'Pacific Palisadian Post':

"This is the most unusual gun hoarding case I've seen in the 27 years I've worked for LAPD," Capt. Tina Nieto told the Palisadian-Post. "The number of guns was a record for me."

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The removal operation took most of the day Sunday, slowed in large part because of what police called an "extreme hoarding" situation. Inside the 2,000-square foot, two-bedroom, three-bath condo, guns, ammo boxes and random items were stacked high in every room.


Doesn't look like it was just the garage, guys, and it's not as if it was a huge home. The 2000-square foot place was stacked to the rafters. If ya view that second link, you can see photos of dozens of cases of ammo stacked in the driveway by police, and tarps they loaded full of assault rifles and various other firearms in an adjacent alley. Literally tons of them in that two-bedroom condo.
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« Reply #113 on: Aug 31st, 2015, 6:31pm »

tI am glad you quoted that facebook because so did I
.only we are looking it for different values..
Either way does not point to a true collector.so it would appear..we are lead to believe a hoarder..
..when his first stash was stolen in the 90s he kept meticulous records for the insurance company.
his roommate of 17 years..would have also. If one of those guns was illegal..we would have heard something by now, maybe. If anyone has a true inventory it would be the Insurance Co who share data with our friends here..

Beyond this gaming of this matter..and it is a game..
the very first clues were set at the radio interview..

after his first arrest...after his insurance claim..how could law enforcement not know.
lets see how the numbers work out.

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Neighbors say the couple had a heavy case of hoarding, filling both their condo and garage, and it is suspected the two had turned off the water and power to their unit. Police have neither confirmed on record about the hoarding case, nor that the water and power were shut off. Haz mat trucks have been scene all Saturday." July 18 bbm

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Palis...163831?fref=nf

If we accept hoarding..then we can accept power and water shut off..why is that?
Laura Vadunkers statements he could not move so was either never there and was kept else where.. for the last 6 months..based on the restaurant people and neighbors who had not seen them in a while or the on day of the death....she and dawn planned on not returning that day..before the fact..you see?
If they intended returning that day..no need to shut off power and water just to go to Starbucks in the Bristol mall for that Latte..I like ice cream in mine..yummy..

Ya know I kinda like the guy..I remember an autistic kid who passed away and his dream was to be a Mcdonallds gtill cook worker...he was buried in their uniform..true story!
Maybe some retired CIA can help Bobs real dream come true. Just cuz one is a billionaire..doent mean one has to go out the way he did..They say he refused medical help..yet CNs ex provided medical records..albeit a dentist..so for sure he knew where to go to if in pain..a doctor..
anywho
The police I repeat knew..a whole lotta people knew.

based on Erc Leonards statement at this interview which have been neither recanted nor impeached by anyone.
http://www.kfiam640.com/onair/john-and-ken-37487/the-incredibly-bizarre-tale-of-jeffrey-13792109/

Poor Bob even Ratso in Midnight Cowboy..went out better..











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« Reply #114 on: Aug 31st, 2015, 9:39pm »

I agree with you, Sys, that it doesn't add up. Lots of things about it don't.

In the simplest sense, I think a police investigation could identify if the weapons and ammo were legally obtained and then work outward from there, finding out where the cash came from, the severity of any laws that may have been broken in exploiting the ill or failing to report a death, and all this talk about intel agencies. But no matter what they might find out, I've struggled from the beginning to understand how a quarter of a million dollars in cash gets left in a home that is going to be searched.

Yes, there are lots of unanswered questions, and my personal opinion at this point is very similar to what it was when I first heard about it: I don't think we'll ever get full and adequate explanations.
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« Reply #115 on: Aug 31st, 2015, 11:16pm »

Of course we will..because we are the monkey in the machine..taking a screw loose here a cog there..it may not make sense..how one is connected to another..eventually the machine sputters and stops..and serves no purpose anymore to them. These things are expensive to put together..Every time you do a story..its another widget less for them to rely on..
ya see the real crime is not the one man dying..its the cover story.a .machine in place that spits ids on the internet to throw people off from finding what really happened..to lead them here and hither..and says it has your back.
now..pass me that wrench please.

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« Reply #116 on: Sep 1st, 2015, 12:01am »

Thanks for those links SYS. That's the first time I have seen those particular photos. Lots of information that wasn't in the articles I read initially!

According to California law, every one of those weapons must have been transferred through a licensed firearms dealer from the dealer to the purchaser. It costs $10 Dollars for person to person plus a fee of 25 dollars to the state for every firearm purchased. Even if it's person to person private sale you must still follow the same laws !

Just that pile I saw in the link would have cost a few thousand just in transfer fees let alone the retail cost of the firearm itself.

The two on top of the pile with the camo stocks looked to be Remington M24 Marine sniper rifles. If they were, those alone can cost 10-12 thousand when properly setup. Saw numerous AR 15s in the pile also.

Shame to see them piled up like that.


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re #113 above.

Could you add numerical values for a,b,c ?

I#m interested in solving for x.

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on Sep 1st, 2015, 04:44am, INT21 wrote:
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re #113 above.

Could you add numerical values for a,b,c ?

I#m interested in solving for x.

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I could have used calculus with infinite curve of diminishing returns..however the prospect of using laplanc transformation sent a chill down my spine and would have sent me over the top..So I Used this method I was able to extract the following ...a^3/a^3 , B^3/B^2 , i (imaginary constant), G*3/3, L (logarithm), i^2/i and E..
Let me know if I missed anything..we can't get too cocky with these equations truth be told.
I would avoid using a TI calculator and just use any trusty slide ruler ..They never fail.
We can't afford to give the answer away too easily....or it will spoil the fun. grin


LG and JJ Thanx for the info..and actually if journalists had asked the right questions..this could have been over in 72 hours. JJ keep me posted what your buddy says after he gets past the chuckle factor.. wink
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« Reply #119 on: Sep 1st, 2015, 8:21pm »

Compare what is said today..with was initially stated..on the vid by the reporter for abc. on July 18. first suspected suicide..found in a van had begun to decompose..Anyone who has seen cadavers of any kind ..even road kill on the side of the road..knows there is a big difference between almost 2 weeks versus a few days ..in heat..
http://abc7.com/news/weapons-found-in-pacific-palisades-home;-evacuations-ordered/862058/
Saturday, July 18, 2015

We hear an explosion as the bomb squads detonates something like a cherry bomb...prob primer powder..what I noted we see bomb squad vehicle in daylight..the report says traffic was allowed backi at 11pm and the perhaps a harmless rush to meet a deadline..typo these things happen..perhaps

The neighbor Rich Hamer lived next door..never mentions hoarding just a private person..only the police do to steer this to mental illness and subsequent puffing of the alien factor..

Like the poor uk mi 6 spy in a bag..brilliant lad..the service broke him..and spit and spun him out as a freak..only now emerging a story with great NS security implications.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215890/Spy-dead-bag-infuriated-MI6-bosses-illegally-hacking-secret-data-Bill-Clinton.html



PACIFIC PALISADES, Calif. (KABC) --
Residents of a Pacific Palisades neighborhood were evacuated from their homes for more than 10 hours after large amounts of weapons and ammunition were found in one home on Saturday afternoon.

A bomb squad was called over to the house, located in the 1700 block of Palisades Drive, around 12:20 p.m. Saturday to remove the items.


Surrounding homes were evacuated as a precaution. Palisades Drive was closed for several hours, but reopened by 11 p.m., authorities said.

Residents say the owner of the home was found dead inside his van, which was parked outside the home. Authorities were investigating a possible suicide Friday afternoon.

list of all neighbors including Cathy Nebron Gorin Weiss etc etc etc..
http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/taxes/by_development/7938-1644-17121-palisades-dr
its useful to look at the cultural milieu of that community.

so when someone in law enforcement comes out and says

This is the most unusual gun hoarding case I've seen in the 27 years I've worked for LAPD," Capt. Tina Nieto


merely harken back to ...Im freaked out.shocked.ive never seen anything like this in my life..shocked scratching heads and baffled.. more or less sez it all..obviously no Brit was there or we would have heard..something more original..like gobsmackedshocked

At this point Darktruth our inhouse resident anarchist and saviour..and occasional Paul Revere would be a 100 times more credible on this subject.

Just remember..even with 20 people posting here on any given day..the average age is 50 plus years who have seen just aout everything and anything bizarre..thats 50 man years x 20 interacting together..an entire millennial knowledge base.Let them think about that for a change..

just leveling the playing field for a change. cool
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