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« Reply #165 on: Sep 21st, 2015, 5:09pm »

on Sep 21st, 2015, 4:46pm, DrDil wrote:
Heh, I contacted a few peeps back then too Sys and Id love to have the faith in the viral marketing thing angle that you do, I just dont.

FWIW I personally believe that the perp/s lived VERY close to where one of the earliest Drone backgrounds were grabbed, i.e. within one of the buildings depicted. And I also think he knew he was rumbled a couple of years back but I digress...

Like you say I think we lampooned it enough back in the day to be rehashing now



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hehe..Los Gatos..the cats you mean?..Their was money to be had back then..in 2007..PIs..in Campbell French Support..Linda and Didier partners..remember they are willing conduits..OMTV and I agree with you just conduits..
For the latest installment of Hybrids I noted they dragged in a couple of old youtubes and reposted in time for our alien saviours appearance..

Hoaxters are a lot more careful how they throw their money away..we even had a visit from the master of the key just dropping in....just before this jumped off..
Too funny..I likened it to seeing whether there would be any problems..with the next hoax..
Sure enough there were.. grin
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« Reply #166 on: Sep 21st, 2015, 5:54pm »

Say..While Jeff sits at some morgue in LA packed in regular ice instead of that Expensive Hot Ice..we should pay a visit to his Obituary and sign in the Guest Book..I had it opened..for 19.99 cents..It will stay open FOREVER WHOOT!
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It was good to read The LA times..they add a little ponosh to most hoaxes..like the last one..

anyway..its open..sign it..so I can get my moneys worth.ok..it was my last $19.99.
its like signing those broken leg casts on people ya know?
They are quite fun and it has a healing quality when you do..
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« Reply #167 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 8:51pm »

Hey, Sys... The post at 'The UFO Trail' about Lash and company has now broken into the top ten all time viewed posts. In addition to you pointing it out around e-town, it got picked up by 'The Anomalist' last week, and then 'The UFO Chronicles' this week. It was subsequently batted around Facebook and whatnot.

To give some context, I started the blog in 2010 and have done about 160 posts or so at this time. The Lash story is currently at #7 all time page views, with about 3100 views. For those interested, in the sidebar to the right on the blog is a list of the most viewed posts ever, as well as the most viewed during the previous seven days.

Here's the thing, in my opinion...

As you know, Sys, one of the things I found interesting about the Lash case was its ambiguity; the likelihood a great deal of stuff might have been going on under the cover of extraordinary tales and claims. Interestingly, a significant portion of people in the UFO community nonetheless seem to view the story with a quick dismissal because of its likely lack of having anything to do with UFO, aliens and related subject matter. Now, there are definitely exceptions - there have been some intelligent and thoughtful comments submitted, and I have received some valued feedback from what we might call more discerning community members. But, ironically, those who dismiss and minimize the story due to its lack of paranormal significance seem to demonstrate the point of how employing such wild claims into a narrative tends to encourage people to avert from the entire story.

To make the point a little further, please, I'm reminded of the Boyd Bushman saga. You'll recall he was the ol' Lockheed Martin guy with embarrassingly bad photos of alleged aliens. The photos were quickly shot down as a plastic toy, and people quickly moved on, as if it was enough to just brush their hands off and proclaim, "Well, another story debunked! No aliens here!"

I would argue the UFO community - and even its skeptics - at times call off the dogs too soon. They fail to ask the right questions, and enough questions.

Everyone knew Bushman's photos were not of aliens, but the questions should have been about where he got the photos and why the story was being promoted. The non-alien part was a no-brainer.

I'd say similar dynamics apply to the Lash case. It's actually why my primary area of interest has evolved to be exploitation in the UFO community. There are some potentially very interesting circumstances in which the right questions are simply not being asked, at least not by the collective community.

So thanks, Sys, for being inquisitive. Identifying that a story doesn't make sense should much more often be the reason to launch an investigation, not conclude it.
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« Reply #168 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 10:39pm »

Thank you so much for that..That is all the payment in the world for me..There is much to this story..that can be measured like we measure a black hole..yet know its there.
We don't see the ATF..we Don't see Fusion..We Don't see State level task forces.even mentioned...in an area where The Russians and Armenians particularly are the new mafia and is monitored 24/7. These are high tech..fraud scams , drugs, car thefts chopping them up and restring from salvage titles..Extortion, murder and Kidnapping..Its why Harland Braun defended the Armenian mob called AP13 as 13 stands for Mexicos drug cartel..thats where the money is. Fortunaetly he lost that case.
If you go to my first post on Gorin Nebron ..its why I suspected based on her last names a Russian or East European connection. Indeed the dentist son that was allegedly at the parking lot..when Lash died..was her ex husband..Phillip Gorin..His father from Russia is a Big Lawyer..Howard Gorin..and he lives where she stayed at one time..a huge estate The dentists office offices were less than a mile from Bristol Farms. embroiled in something over his head or maybe not..but that would be how they got Harland Braun .imo..She got phillip in a mess and his father is not letting his son go down for failure to call 911 medical help.

This is starting to smell very federal. I also believe Dawn maybe in ste/federal custody because no one has seen her.
If she was an informant/she is now a material witness to what happened..if she is a UCA expect to here busts going down soon.

I have also found the names of people , one of who helped spread the bob smith story..
The family emigrated from Germany..social security card issuances issued 10 or more years after alleged births. Like Jocelyn Eberstein that runs a wellness clinic..holistic stuff..

Names were intermixed and appears asi she ihas same birth date as the man Joseph Eberstein
State Issued:
Ohio

Date Issued:
1971 - 1972
Search criteria:
First Name: Jocelyn
Middle Name: Ninio
Last Name: Eberstein
House Number: 1649
Street: Wellesley Dr
City: Santa Monica
Zip Code: 90405
State: CA

Relatives and Associates
Name

Date of Birth

Age


1 JOESOPH EBERSTEIN 08/15/1955 60
SSN Verification:

Verified:
Yes
Status:
Active
State Issued:
California

Date Issued:
1967 - 1968



2 JOSEPH EBERSTEIN 08/15/1955 60






3 JOCEYLNE EBERSTEIN 08/15/1955 60


Defendant
DONNA L EBERSTEIN

Address
4158 STERLINGVIEW DR MOORPARK CA 93021

Plaintiff





JJ Even a movie promo does not go this far.
this is deliberate red herring
either its federal/state or genuine id theft for a criminal enterprise.





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« Reply #169 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 11:24pm »

I was just catching up on the last couple pages at WS. The new site looks very promising... I'd love to see efforts like that produce, kind of like your old ARC and the more recent group that objectively investigated the Roswell slides. I envision helping promote the efforts and such.

I certainly continue to agree with you that this case has a lot of implications. In an odd sort of way, I almost sympathize with detectives who had it break in their jurisdiction. Kinda be a buzz killer to have an attorney inform you of what's going on in your backyard, and you have to figure out whose toes you're stepping on as you go.

If she was an informant...

I think you're on the right track there in not assuming it has yet been revealed either why these people were hanging around with Lash and Nebron or why they said the things they said. There are a lot of possibilities, and I think you're correct that we currently have very little idea who they may have been working for.

And, yes, VadBunker's actions are as intriguing as anyone's. As have been her whereabouts, both past and current.
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« Reply #170 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 01:04am »

Hey..I think I got banned at WS
I posted the same thing here with extra thoughts. and the post was deleted..then I got the message I no longer have permission to access that page. After the work I put in.
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« Reply #171 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 07:10am »

FWIW, I'm also getting a 'do not have permission to access' message when I try to view the thread, and I'm not even a registered member.
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« Reply #172 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 11:17am »

on Sep 30th, 2015, 07:10am, jjflash wrote:
FWIW, I'm also getting a 'do not have permission to access' message when I try to view the thread, and I'm not even a registered member.


Hahaha you too? Lol...we got too close for comfort. Websleuth is a great site..bbut when I saw the TV deals being made..I suspected somewhere along the line..Its truth seeking objectivity would be compromised..

reminds me of when DRT blocked me Dil horst Murr and also got banned.

My post merely corrected a newcomers inaccurate interprtation on the Jocelyn character which by the way addressed the manipulation on a pay as you go database..which showed Jeff Lash occupation as upper Managenemt executive...also his father Joseph Lash as clerical service worker..so much for the microbiologist with alleged patents and papers..
this essentially exposes this case as a big front..and I think we can intel-liguess who
Wow..I am still stunned but not helpless.

Ill be data dumping here and your thread in a couple of hours when I get off from work
cya then!

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« Reply #173 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 6:33pm »

GhostofED just reported what looks, walks, and talks like a block at the thread. That's a helluva thanks for uncovering an alien nest..maybe even the mothership maybe even the galactic federation way team undecided

Noel Leon another member who had my email also reports she cannot get in and thread inaccessible too

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« Reply #174 on: Oct 1st, 2015, 10:24pm »

On an aside..have you read this. The Karen Whetmore Story
https://books.google.com/books?id=mITVAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT235&lpg=PT235&dq=human+ecology+group+cia&source=bl&ots=tr59oRV7WE&sig=eV1j0iMFCUxiwSRfyb2yiAT6hBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBGoVChMInp-Dg7ygyAIVRdSACh3OTgYM#v=onepage&q=human%20ecology%20group%20cia&f=false
.absolutely spell binding..what this woman went thru in CIA illegal experimentation..at an a Vermont health services..and I wont spoil ..it is rich with information it was exactly like what the Guantanamo people went thru..what was interesting the current political figures that turned down her reuests for help except one. just one guy,,.Bernie Sanders..

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« Reply #175 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 01:44am »

on Sep 30th, 2015, 01:04am, SysConfig wrote:
Hey..I think I got banned at WS
I posted the same thing here with extra thoughts. and the post was deleted..then I got the message I no longer have permission to access that page. After the work I put in.
Im goint to bed..life goes on..



I forgot to post my results Sys, I tried to access it and got the same message, so I registered, waited for activation and searched for the thread so I could access it through their search results.

Still blocked even when logged in. undecided


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« Reply #176 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 2:49pm »

Thanx Doc!!

Occasionally we have a thread here that drops..and usually comes back due to the nature of our servers backup systems on Wednesdays. We move on in those cases as the problem is worked on. The WS thing is an entire matter differently..it was very selective, with not just myself but others targeted as well, who were key in disassemblying the alien story and the theme of the apparaent lunacy of the principal JAL to another area: LA LEs and the Paliposts very willing inclination not to address the obvious inconsistency of facts on the ground such as the Asst Da presence and fabricated documents pushed on Facebook.

I can see a four wheeled vehicle driving down the road with three wheels and a flat tire low on air....but when you see it rolling on four wheels and one has the rubber shredded off on just the rim for support..I would think it an act of sheer recklessness to keep driving and not pull over for assistance.
Being the fair person I am, I will have to admit....maybe they just did and just threw out the passengers before it came to a full stop,

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« Reply #177 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 4:26pm »

What a bunch of shallow wanna be cops.....it is gone....so sad cry
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« Reply #178 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 5:34pm »

on Oct 2nd, 2015, 4:26pm, noelleon wrote:
What a bunch of shallow wanna be cops.....it is gone....so sad cry


I am so sorry Noel..I know you were very rapped up in this as I was and Dclawed CZD and CP..you guys are the best..

welcome any way! You wont find a better slew of sleuthers than here..imo..
and If you are interested in the ecology thingy we have an inhouse experts spanning decades of research..we have no agenda other than truth..and that's enough to keep us busy for years.


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« Reply #179 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 6:49pm »

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I haven't read Karen Whetmore's book but I'm familiar with her story. Jeff Kaye, the San Francisco psychologist and human rights activist whose work I read, did some articles on it. I agree the circumstances are noteworthy.
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