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« Reply #30 on: Jul 15th, 2014, 12:49pm »

I do not know all the details of the Romanek case, Doc. Part of the reason I never became overly interested in it was because what I did learn about it led me to be very skeptical of many of his claims. For instance, I thought James Carrion did a pretty effective take down of the case.

I'll tell ya what the Romanek case reminds me of, though... remember how Vallee wrote about how there is no guarantee that less discriminating members of society (ala unemployed potheads, etc.) might not have a UFO sighting or such on occasion? ...and that such people might then have difficulty recounting their stories, try to make money off it and all kinds of stuff that makes it difficult to discern? Well, whatever is up with Romanek, it reminds me of Vallees observations; it's a very complicated chain of events. Even Carrion applied an analogy something to the effect that although we might not know how a Vegas magician performs all their tricks, that does not necessarily mean any of it's magic.

But I mostly started following and writing about the case since Romanek's arrest in February. I thought it was reasonably relevant, and I prefer circumstances in which one can quote court docs, police reports (in other words, authenticated docs like FOIA) and such, as compared to only having witness testimony. So I started writing about it.
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 15th, 2014, 4:24pm »

on Jul 15th, 2014, 12:49pm, jjflash wrote:
I do not know all the details of the Romanek case, Doc. Part of the reason I never became overly interested in it was because what I did learn about it led me to be very skeptical of many of his claims. For instance, I thought James Carrion did a pretty effective take down of the case.

I'll tell ya what the Romanek case reminds me of, though... remember how Vallee wrote about how there is no guarantee that less discriminating members of society (ala unemployed potheads, etc.) might not have a UFO sighting or such on occasion? ...and that such people might then have difficulty recounting their stories, try to make money off it and all kinds of stuff that makes it difficult to discern? Well, whatever is up with Romanek, it reminds me of Vallees observations; it's a very complicated chain of events. Even Carrion applied an analogy something to the effect that although we might not know how a Vegas magician performs all their tricks, that does not necessarily mean any of it's magic.

But I mostly started following and writing about the case since Romanek's arrest in February. I thought it was reasonably relevant, and I prefer circumstances in which one can quote court docs, police reports (in other words, authenticated docs like FOIA) and such, as compared to only having witness testimony. So I started writing about it.


Your right about the Vallee comparison. Just because the person who has the experience might be a 'questionable individual' doesn't mean something weird didn't happen to them. Perhaps the paranormal 'seeks out' those on the fringes to interact with.
At any rate his abduction/contact tale is pretty wild and the pics he has of 'greys' at his window are simply awful and that in itself biased me against believing his story. He also has mathematical formulae that he claims the aliens telepathically gave to him.
But then the same can be said about 'Billy' Meier and his Nordics. Another wild tale from a person with a questionable past yet he has many supporters and others who have experienced weird things in his presence.
What does one make of these cases that clearly straddle reality and fantasy...?
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« Reply #32 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 4:40pm »

Re the Romanek case and related circumstances...

A website was recently brought to my attention that was formed when Denver area voters were presented a referendum in 2010 on an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission. Some of you may recall the referendum, as it garnered some attention. The Romanek case, due to him residing in the area, of course played somewhat of a role in the chain of events. The website, which opposed the referendum:

http://www.denveretcommission.org/

The item was overwhelmingly defeated by Denver voters. Read more at ballotpedia.com.
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« Reply #33 on: Aug 16th, 2014, 9:28pm »

James Carrion challenges the so-called ghost rocket experts to a debate including presentations of pet theories along with supporting evidence.

http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2014/08/hear-ye-hear-ye-ghost-rocket-experts-of.html

Are those crickets I hear?
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« Reply #34 on: Aug 30th, 2014, 7:10pm »

'Disinformation' blog reminds us to practice uniform skepticism and check the sources of the self-proclaimed skeptics just like we should check sources claimed by everyone else. In an August 27 post titled, 'James Randi's "Evidence" Against ESP Turns Out to Be Fabricated', we are presented circumstances suggesting high profile skeptic Randi spun a tale to his preferred perspective, not at all unlike the tactics typically employed by the charlatans who draw the criticism of Randi and his following.

For even more information about the circumstances, be sure and check out the post of Michael Prescott, which put 'Disinformation' on the trail in the first place. Prescott did an admirable job of applying some skepticism to the apparently unsupported claims of James Randi.
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« Reply #35 on: Sep 23rd, 2014, 3:58pm »

Difficult to over emphasize how important it is to check and double check sources, and come at UFO reports with a skeptical eye.


Creators of UFO hoax come forward

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23 September 2014

THE creators of a UFO hoax who set social media buzzing have come clean.

Several images of an unidentified object hovering over Portsmouth did the rounds last week, sparking speculation that the city could be the landing site of an invasion of green-skinned aliens.

But the explanation for the flying saucer has turned out to be not quite so dramatic.

The photos were faked in a publicity stunt to draw attention to an upcoming science fiction and fantasy festival.

Event organiser Joshua Hibberd, 26, North End, said: ‘We got eight or 10 people from around Portsmouth to take a picture at the same time on the same evening.

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/creators-of-ufo-hoax-come-forward-1-6315331

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Reminds me of the space centre marketing hoax from last year:

on Sep 10th, 2013, 10:45pm, jjflash wrote:
Vancouver Space Centre hoaxed mass UFO sighting

Orlando Paranormal Examiner

September 10, 2013

The H.R. MacMillan Space Centre issued a press release Tuesday stating it was responsible for a UFO hoax carried out near a recent Vancouver Canadians minor league baseball game. "Recent close encounters reported by local UFO bloggers are actually the result of an elaborate hoax masterminded by the H.R. MacMillan Space Centre," the press release stated.

The incident was initially reported Friday as a mass UFO sighting. Many people attending the baseball game reported witnessing an unidentified object flying nearby, resulting in related photos and videos posted to the Internet.

"The image of a drone in the shape of the Space Centre was captured by web cams, camera phones and video in and around Vancouver locations," the H.R. MacMillan corporation explained in the press release, adding that the Space Centre worked with an ad agency to develop what was termed an "extreme teaser campaign". The campaign included the strategic release of photos of the drone sightings through social media to UFO bloggers, Twitter and Facebook. The goal, according to the press release, was to promote a newly renovated planetarium located at the Space Centre.
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 13th, 2014, 3:33pm »

Leslie Kean participated last night at American University on a panel making its case for further investigation of the UFO phenomenon. Some of those in attendance, including retired Col. Charles Halt of the Rendlesham incident, chose to frame their presentations in support of what they perceive to be an alien presence.

According to wtop.com, Kean selected to highlight a well known Costa Rican event during her presentation. The case involved the apparent incidental photographing from a plane of a disk-like UFO during a reported mapping exercise. I do not know how well those circumstances have actually been established.


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Kean making her presentation above.

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Below is the work of Ray Stanford, who suggested the image is a hoax consisting of a flashlight:

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More from Stanford:

http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m30-002.shtml

Haines and Vallee did a paper on the case, and they tentatively thought the photo indicated a genuine anomaly. The paper can be accessed through the previous link. I have not read their report in full, so I do not know how well the provenance of the photo is established, but that would certainly be important.

Perhaps time will tell if Kean addressed such circumstances during her presentation. Hopefully this is not more of the horribly poor representation of the UFO phenomenon as occurred during Kean's support of the embarrassing Chilean airshow clip.
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 13th, 2014, 4:19pm »

Interesting, JJ. It seems like Vallee did quite a bit of investigating, as one would expect if he did a paper on it, and was comfortable there was excellent provenance for the photo. It has been many yearss since I read it though.

Aren't most flashlight reflectors parabolic in shape? This looks like a cone. I'll go dig one up and hold it under a fluorescent light to see what happens.

Ray Stanford, now there is a character. smiley Chris O'Brien over at the Paracast is buddies with Ray, so there is quite a bit about him on their forum. Chris defends Ray with fierce loyalty and says he's seen at least some of the stuff Ray has. Ray is not getting any younger, so we can only hope he decides the world is ready for his massive evidence before he moves on.
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 14th, 2014, 10:20am »

There seem to be a lot of problems with the scenario, DNS. Lots of unanswered questions and unresolved issues.

I don't want to be too critical of Kean prior to actually watching her presentation, but I would have to ask if she employed any professional film analysts now available, etc. Even so, the problems would remain. Any way one wants to look at the image, they would keep coming back to the photo is yet another case of a single frame on a roll of film that contains something that we do not know what it is that was not observed by a single witness at the time it was photographed.

I must also concede that I have come to submit Kean's work to more scrutiny than some of her peers due to her previous actions. Those would include her ill advised support of the Chilean airshow footage and her failure to revise her take on a developing story even when she was presented evidence directly conflicting with her preferred conclusion.

My main point was not even to debate the Costa Rican case, but to question its inclusion in the event at American University. If this is identified as what we should be presenting to academia about the UFO phenom, and earns a spot as news in UFO Land, then no wonder the off topic sub board was so popular around here for so long.
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 14th, 2014, 10:41am »

I've always considered that image as something of a novelty, given its history, and wondered why Stanford bothered to try to debunk it when that showed up last year or whenever it was. I think it was from a military mapping or coastal survey effort, something like that, and no one saw anything unusual at the time. Sort of like all those birds and bugs that show up on Youtube every few minutes. Not much you can do with it but go Hmmm. I think there are lots of better choices, too. Maybe Kean chose it partly because it hasn't been beat to a pulp and subjected to the sort of mindless debunkery along the lines of "Lonnie Zamora wore thick glasses." That crap gets old just as fast as every odd shadow on Mars being declared proof of alien life.
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« Reply #40 on: Nov 16th, 2014, 09:23am »

Alejandro Rojas has now posted a not so formulaic piece on the American University event. I think it is nice work on his part. Kean seems to be trying to distance herself from the Roswell slides and claims, while some AU organizers of the event are doing some backpedaling as well. Rojas summarizes it rather effectively, imo, touching on some of the key issues:

http://www.openminds.tv/roswell-ufo-researcher-claims-picture-aliens/30977
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« Reply #41 on: Dec 1st, 2014, 6:41pm »

STAN ROMANEK UPDATE: Self-Described Alien Abductee & Accused Child Porn Distributor Appears in Court Today (12-1-14) for [Mental] Competency Hearing

By Frank Warren
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12-1-14

Editor's Note: Self-described alien abductee & accused child porn distributor, Stan Romanek, was/is scheduled to appear this morning (12-1-14) for a mental competency hearing, according to the Larimer County District Attorney’s Office on-line court tracking summary.

Romanek's last court date was several weeks ago, and in contrast to his earlier appearances there wasn't any local news coverage at that time.

The Loveland Reporter-Herald, previously disclosed that it was/is Romanek's own attorney(s) pushing the mental competency evaluations.

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« Reply #42 on: Dec 1st, 2014, 7:04pm »

I see this as a win win for the UFO Abductee camp.

If he is found guilty it will be taken as a sign that the judicial system gives some merit to his abduction claim or at least does not view it as a sign of mental instability.

If he is found innocent by not being competent (from UFO claims) it will be seen as a means to discredit him.

If he is found guilty and his UFO claims were considered faked and not associated with mental health it will be viewed as Plan B for shutting him up and putting him away.

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« Reply #43 on: Dec 1st, 2014, 11:21pm »

I don't have any interest per se in this case,
Its a tough call with the trust factor having deteriorated in government, seen also as breaking laws with impunity and greater frequency. I recall the news anchor lady Atkinson had material planted on her computer and that investigation is still in motion. Lets not forget NSAs and GCHQ's program Trigger where the focus is destruction of reputation. The practice is to stop a fire before it spreads.
Planting incriminating data today on someones computer is no different than a dirty copy throwing a saturday night special in a crime scene. It's now infinitely easier, and virtually untraceable.
So if someone wants you out of the way without killing you, and still have fun watching you squirm and go bankrupt, or commit suicide, this would be the way.
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« Reply #44 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 10:34am »

Regarding the Costa Rica ufo pic does anyone know if Dr Vallee has commented on Kean's presentation or his thoughts all these years later if he still believes it to be genuine?
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