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« Reply #45 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 11:32am »

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 10:34am, drwu23 wrote:
Regarding the Costa Rica ufo pic does anyone know if Dr Vallee has commented on Kean's presentation or his thoughts all these years later if he still believes it to be genuine?


I dunno, but here are some observations from Bryan Bonner and Matt Baxter of Rocky Mountain Paranormal:

Our conclusion

While the report [by Haines and Vallee] did look into the possibility of some type of debris on the film or its film plane back-plate was discussed and disregarded, they never looked at the camera itself.

The camera system has a very unique optic system that looks very similar to the object in the photograph.

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Because there were no eyewitness reports from the ground or the members of the mapping team there is not much of a chance of this being an object of approximately 683 feet in size or even something that was an actual object of any size flying in the air beneath the plane.

The problem that report had with the object not creating a shadow is easily explainable if the image was created by the optics of the camera and not a physical object below the plane.

The object in the image appears to have been created by reflections of ambient light inside the optics of the camera system caused by a unique combination of the type of camera system, angle of the plane to the light, position of the sun and possibly the angle of the light coming from the surface of the water located beneath the plane.

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http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/1971costaricaufo/index.html
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 12:02pm »

I'd of liked to see a little more technical explanation and analysis besides the similarity of the optics system. Is this the external parts and can they be reflected such to duplicate on the image? It seems a bit different then the usual artifacts from flare, etc.

I agree there are other issues with the story especially the object not being seen by anyone. So the flashlight bulb theory is discredited?
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« Reply #47 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 4:02pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 12:02pm, GhostofEd wrote:
I'd of liked to see a little more technical explanation and analysis besides the similarity of the optics system. Is this the external parts and can they be reflected such to duplicate on the image? It seems a bit different then the usual artifacts from flare, etc.

I agree there are other issues with the story especially the object not being seen by anyone. So the flashlight bulb theory is discredited?


I don't think the flashlight theory is necessarily off the table, GhostofEd. My interpretation is that there are a few possible explanations, each of which remain inconclusive, and that those with a more skeptical mindset argue that, with that being the case, then the idea that something was actually flying around would be among the least likely possibilities.
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« Reply #48 on: Dec 3rd, 2014, 07:57am »

I have to admit that that ufo does resemble the inside of a reflected flashhlight but how does that happen when they were taking their pics?
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« Reply #49 on: Dec 4th, 2014, 6:18pm »

Meanwhile in the Romanek saga... Jon Sumple of j3FILMS, the company that produced the Romanek documentary, is reporting that Stan has been ruled competent to stand trial for the child exploitation charges:

http://blog.altpov.tv/stan-romanek-declared-competent-to-stand-trial/
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« Reply #50 on: Mar 19th, 2015, 6:32pm »

My latest at 'The UFO Trail':


Relevant Web Links on Romanek Case

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March 19, 2015

The latest news on the Stan Romanek saga involves a court ruling that he is competent to stand trial. My summary of developments in the case was posted at Frank Warren's 'The UFO Chronicles':

Stan Romanek Update: Trial Date Set in Child Porn Case

Frank has a section of his website devoted to the Romanek saga. It contains a number of articles and may be browsed at:

Posts with label Stan Romanek

Additional key links of potential interest include:

The initial February, 2014, story published in the local Loveland, Colo. newspaper, the 'Reporter-Herald', that Romanek was arrested on child exploitation charges:

Loveland man arrested on child exploitation charges

A February, 2014, press release from the Loveland Police Department detailing the charges against Romanek, possession and distribution of child pornography, as well as explaining the charges were leveled after the LPD acted on tips provided by the Department of Homeland Security:

Loveland Police Department Press Release

A July, 2014, article I published, containing a summary of reports obtained from the Loveland Police Department about a reported assault on Stan Romanek. The assault allegedly happened in the days following his February arrest. According to the police reports, Romanek claimed that he suspected authorities had assaulted him, but LPD Detective Henry Stucky eventually suspended the assault case, concluding the evidence was not consistent with the alleged fight having actually occurred:

Police detective: Evidence not consistent of a fight in Romanek assault case

A March, 2015, article published by the 'Reporter-Herald', in which it was reported that Romanek may proceed to trial. Additional information about circumstances surrounding the charges was included, as well as Romanek's claims of harassment:

Court rules Stanley Romanek can stand trial

Lastly, here is a case tracking summary, where the latest status of Romanek's case and the next scheduled court date may be monitored:

Larimer County District Attorney's Office Case Tracking Summary

The short version of the long story at this point is that after several medical and mental competency tests, numerous status hearings and a questionable reported assault on Romanek, a trial on the child exploitation charges is tentatively scheduled for October. That is of course pending any motions and events that may happen in the mean time.
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« Reply #51 on: Mar 25th, 2015, 5:45pm »

on Feb 11th, 2014, 09:40am, jjflash wrote:
Philip Corso One Last Time

A Different Perspective

February 10, 2014

I am often surprised at the support that some alleged UFO witnesses manage gain in the face of their repeated deceptions. Admitted hoaxes are still reported as true with the added claim that the CIA forced the change as a way of explaining that new infomation. Failure to supply any documentation or evidence for their claims is ignored. And even with that, there are those who continue to support the most outrageous of claims. Even the ridiculous words of those witnesses don’t seem to change opinions as the situations develop.

For those who seem to believe that there is something important in what Philip Corso said, I say, read the document published by Open Minds. It took me several attempts to download this book written by Corso without the filters offered by Bill Birnes, and it is certainly a revelation. It provides insight into Corso’s personality and suggests reasons for the stories he told.

Full article:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/02/philip-corso-one-last-time.html

Hi JJ,

I’ve just been catching up on the forums and I noticed this, Corso was always one of my favourites! I wrote quite a bit about him here at Casebook, however I warn you in advance if you do read it all I quote Hopkins extensively in the last post!! cheesy


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« Reply #52 on: Mar 26th, 2015, 12:07am »

Hi DrDil,

Ha ha... I actually would have to commend Mr. Hopkins on his job of vetting Corso. For those unaware, the video of Hopkins interviewing Corso, which Hopkins alludes to in the info posted in the link DrDil provided, is in the original post in this thread. It's definitely among Hopkins' better work.

It's actually rather amazing that he could do the job he did with Corso, yet then do so poorly in the investigation commissioned by Bigelow of the so-called Santa Rosa UFO crash. We probably have a very good example there of researcher bias, as compared to other motives in his dealing with Corso.
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« Reply #53 on: Apr 9th, 2015, 5:34pm »

Jason Colavito raises valid points while taking a critical look at the legend of the Aurora, Texas, UFO crash in his blog post, 'Micah Hanks, Jim Marrs, and the 1897 Aurora UFO Crash'.
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« Reply #54 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 11:23am »

UFO Mystery Mongering Uses Satire Sites as News Sources

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Scott Waring of 'UFO Sightings Daily', a website very supportive of the possibility of an alien presence, was among the latest to promote fictional material originating from an entertainment-based website as news. Such sites have become widely known as satire sites and exist for various purposes, all of which pretty much involve drawing site visitors and routing web traffic.

Last July 'The UFO Trail' published a post on former UFO community regulars Dr. Rima Laibow and her husband, Ret. Gen. Bert Stubblebine, who are currently making all the noise they can in the anti-vax movement. The post last year explored Laibow's citation of a source, the Wyoming Institute of Technology (WIT), for rather extraordinary information contained in an article she published July 7. WIT, as its acronym suggests, turned out to be a satirical website. The story Laibow cited was clickbait for all practical purposes, but its author no doubt appreciated the shout out.

In a similar turn of events, just last weekend a FIFA official charged with corruption took to the Internet to plead his case - and cited as supporting evidence a piece from 'The Onion', a well known satirical website. Jack Warner, one of 14 officials charged by the Justice Department, waved a printed copy of an article from 'The Onion' while proclaiming his innocence in a video. The article cast the U.S. and its international football interests in questionable and unbecoming contexts, thus Warner printed and presented the otherwise dubious information.

Back in ufology, Scott Waring published a May 25 post at 'UFO Sightings Daily' in which he cited a report of an anonymous pilot allegedly snapping a photo of what was represented as a UFO "sucking" water from a California lake. The report kicked up a discussion at UFO Casebook forum, where member SysConfig aptly pointed out some vetting was in order of the original source, a supposed newspaper titled the 'Nevada County Scooper', cited by Waring for the sensational tale. Yep, it was the 'Scooper' that broke the story.

A few clicks of the mouse later, a page was located containing the 'Scooper' terms and conditions, which included the following clarification:

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This website is humorous in scope and intent. It provides fake news in a comedy setting. If you are offended, go away you worthless cretin and consider doing something else with your time rather than looking at the Internet.


Other not so subtle clues to the satirical nature of the 'Scooper' is its description of a manager, Louis "Lou" LaPlante. He helps keep the team "from spending all the profits on booze."

Satire was also apparent in the website's guidelines for acceptable use, located on the same page as the terms and conditions. The guidelines included, "Don't stalk people unless you like restraining orders," "Use good manners or we'll delete your stupid comment and ridicule your upbringing," and "Inane, obscure and/or irrelevant comments are all OK as long as you follow these rules."

As of this post, current items on the main page of the 'Scooper' include a chemtrail forecast. Also offered for reading pleasure are 'New DMV Photo System Promises Faster/More Hideous Pictures' and 'How to Roast a F------ Whole Chicken'.

When pushed on the satire issue by a reader, Waring rather incredibly replied on May 28 he was "finding a little proof of made up stories" at the 'Scooper' and he was "still looking into it." This wasn't the toughest, most time consuming investigation to conduct, folks.

Waring had submitted comments to the 'Scooper', inquiring about more details of the alleged sighting. The webmaster responded there were additional witnesses and such, and to please share the article, all of which Waring quoted in an update. This writer then submitted comments to Waring and 'UFO Sightings Daily', informing his readers the 'Scooper' was a satirical website. A link to the terms and conditions as cited above was included. The comments never appeared, but Waring did mention that the "NSA often leave comments" at his website and he will delete them when he sees them.

Apparently knowing a good thing when they see it, the 'Scooper' doubled down and published another fictional article May 27 about a pilot photographing a UFO. Waring ran with that article as well.

"The site itself does have some satire," Waring wrote, "so caution is noted here."

Good to see 'UFO Sightings Daily' practicing due caution in curating material. That's satirical.

Supporting links available at original post:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/06/ufo-mystery-mongering-uses-satire-sites.html
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« Reply #55 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 3:42pm »

I just don't know how much longer true, serious ufology can survive with all of this internet BS. Get a load of this one that's all over Facebook:

BizLifes

NASA has announced this morning that they have discovered a planet completely covered with marijuana, a discovery that has completely taken scientists by surprise.

Planet X637Z-43, discovered using NASA’s Kepler satellite, would also allegedly be one of the very few planets potentially habitable according to NASA experts, who have detected sufficient levels of oxygen and nitrogen to support human life.

http://bizlifes.net/space/637-nasa-discovers-new-planet-covered-with-marijuana.html


And to make matters worse, here is an excerpt from their FAQ section:

BizLifes

What kind of stories won't you publish at Bizlifes?

We won't publish anything that is misleading or untrue, libelous, contains gratuitous curse words, of a sexual nature and stories that are designed to incite violence or hatred of certain groups of people.

http://bizlifes.net/bizlifes/417-faq.html


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« Reply #56 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 4:36pm »

SWAMP,

INDEED ~ TO WIT:

"Get a load of this one that's all over Facebook"

I SAW SAME AS WELL YESTERDAY AND FURTHER THOUGHT...

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ABOUT THE...

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CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE CASEBOOK COLLECTIVE TO CLARIFY...

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BUT THEN AGAIN ~ THOSE WHOM THINK PHOTOSYNTHESIS OCCURS WITHOUT CARBON DIOXIDE...

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« Reply #57 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 6:32pm »

Swamp',

Ufology is dead.

The internet and CGI killed it.

No one can believe anything any more.

I think I'm pretty close to giving up on it.

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« Reply #58 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 8:03pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"No one can believe anything any more.

I think I'm pretty close to giving up on it."

IT'S A START...

"believe"

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"The problem is that there is an outside chance that he/she is telling the truth. And if that can be proven then the whole thing takes on very serious meaning."

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« Reply #59 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 8:10pm »

on Jun 1st, 2015, 6:32pm, INT21 wrote:
Swamp',

Ufology is dead.

The internet and CGI killed it.

No one can believe anything any more.

I think I'm pretty close to giving up on it.

HAL
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does not make it,
unreal,
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