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« Reply #60 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 10:36pm »

I know what I saw ,well over 30+ years ago.
Nothing will change my mind.
It was real as the sun shining above anyones head on a beautiful day.
There is something there,
Yet,We do not fully understand it,YET!
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« Reply #61 on: Jun 2nd, 2015, 12:24am »

If you can believe it, the state of the ufology nation just got worse. Jaime Maussan is invited to speak at the annual MUFON symposium:

http://www.mufonsymposium.com/speakers.html
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« Reply #62 on: Jun 2nd, 2015, 06:16am »

MOKSHA, ZETAR,

I haven't changed my position.

I still feel that there is something there.

But we don't seem to be getting any closer to being able to say what it is. And the continual rehashing of old stories is becoming tedious. Worse still, the old stories are having bits added to them as time passes. So the original information is becoming even more corrupted .

With all the investigative tools at out collective disposal one would think that should be at least a hint of what is causing the reports. But nothing.

My interest in ufo began in 1980 (maybe '81) so I have watched this scene for thirty four years. But it seems that the more modern a sighting is, the quicker it disappears. And there is no advancement in finding out what is the cause.

We have virtually instant communication. but there is no network for alerting people when something is going down. Why ? Because the jokers rule the web.

If I want to know when the next Solar flare is about to arrive I can subscribe to SpaceWeather. They have an App for my cell phone that automatically notifies me of the likely time.

If there was a network where one could contact if something was seen, or that would contact everyone (via an app) who subscribed, then it would be continually subverted by cretins who called in false reports just for kicks.

You can't do science on the ufo.

Idiots are using our brilliant technology against us.

It may turn out to be all in the head. But if this is so, why ? What causes it ? What is the point ?

I don't think is is like that.

My best bet is that we still don't have the technology or the science to get at the truth (please, don't anyone write ' the truth is out there) and until we do then we are stuck.

My choice of probable cause ?

Real things from some extra dimensional 'somewhere'.

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« Reply #63 on: Jun 2nd, 2015, 07:27am »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"I haven't changed my position."

CERTAINLY THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO APATHEISM...grin

"With all the investigative tools at out collective disposal"...

"the jokers rule the web."

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QUITE RIGHT ~ YOU'RE BLOODY WELL RIGHT ~ YA GOT A RIGHT TO KNOW...

https://youtu.be/zfaTvT99sDA

"we still don't have the technology or the science to get at the truth"

I'M SURE THERE WERE SOME WHOM THOUGHT SUCH...WHEN THE EARTH WAS FLAT...YA STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE JOURNEY!!!

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« Reply #64 on: Jun 2nd, 2015, 10:24am »

JJ: "Jaime Maussan is invited to speak at the annual MUFON symposium."

Oh, Good Lord!
WHY??!
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« Reply #65 on: Jun 3rd, 2015, 12:50am »

on Jun 2nd, 2015, 10:24am, Swamprat wrote:
JJ: "Jaime Maussan is invited to speak at the annual MUFON symposium."

Oh, Good Lord!
WHY??!
rolleyes


I hear ya. I feel pretty strongly that for an organization, MUFON, to claim itself dedicated to scientific study, yet continue to provide venues for such individuals as David Jacobs, Stephen Greer, Don Schmitt and Jaime Maussan, justifies a boycott, or at least I'm choosing not to support the org.

BTW, Carey and Schmitt were on Jimmy Church's Fade to Black show Tuesday night. Horrendous, absolutely horrendous. I'm more convinced than ever the Roswell Slides involved intentional omission of information and misrepresentation of circumstances. Suffice it to say they were doing virtually everything in their power to clutter and obfuscate the chain of events, including blatantly misrepresenting what has transpired.
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« Reply #66 on: Jun 3rd, 2015, 07:03am »

JACK,

TO WIT:

"I hear ya"

ALAS ~ THE OPERA CONTINUES...

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« Reply #67 on: Jun 6th, 2015, 11:24am »

on Jun 2nd, 2015, 10:24am, Swamprat wrote:
JJ: "Jaime Maussan is invited to speak at the annual MUFON symposium."

Oh, Good Lord!
WHY??!
rolleyes


I will second that "Oh Good Lord Why?"
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« Reply #68 on: Jun 18th, 2015, 11:02am »

Writer and researcher Mark O'Connell, who is the MUFON Wisconsin assistant state director and chief investigator, requests MUFON to ban Maussan, Carey, Schmitt, Dolan and Bragalia from future events on the grounds they act in contradiction to the org's mission statement of dedication to scientific study:

http://www.highstrangenessufo.com/2015/06/eradicating-ufo-pestilence.html

Such requests are not particularly new to MUFON leadership, as the org has been contacted many times about offering such pseudo-science figures as David Jacobs platforms. Nonetheless, I personally appreciate Mark's stand, on a symbolic level and matter of principle if nothing else. His initiative and resulting action is more of the solution than the problem, in my opinion.
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« Reply #69 on: Jun 18th, 2015, 5:45pm »

on Jun 18th, 2015, 11:02am, jjflash wrote:
Writer and researcher Mark O'Connell, who is the MUFON Wisconsin assistant state director and chief investigator, requests MUFON to ban Maussan, Carey, Schmitt, Dolan and Bragalia from future events on the grounds they act in contradiction to the org's mission statement of dedication to scientific study:

http://www.highstrangenessufo.com/2015/06/eradicating-ufo-pestilence.html

Such requests are not particularly new to MUFON leadership, as the org has been contacted many times about offering such pseudo-science figures as David Jacobs platforms. Nonetheless, I personally appreciate Mark's stand, on a symbolic level and matter of principle if nothing else. His initiative and resulting action is more of the solution than the problem, in my opinion.


Wholeheartedly agree with MUFON especially after the slides debacle in Mexico.
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« Reply #70 on: Jul 6th, 2015, 9:26pm »

Blogger Andy Russell has been covering the questionable claims of Robbert van den Broeke and his primary supporter, Nancy Talbott, for quite some time at his sites, 'Circular State of Mind' and 'The Truth Hides'. The latest incredible adventures of van den Broeke, who claims to experience profound and ongoing interactions with extraterrestrials and a wide variety of psychic phenomena, include having allegedly been presented alien limbs for study by his otherworldly visitors. As Russell points out, the limbs look suspiciously like squid:


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Learn more via Russell's following blog posts:

Robbert van den Broeke: Seriously, dude. Enough with this nonsense…

UFOlogy Dead in a Ditch

UFOlogy Dead in a Ditch No. 2


Did van den Broeke and Talbott finally push the saga a hoax too far, destined to be humiliated when the specimens are tested? Or will they control and manipulate the supposed investigation, using models such as the Roswell Slides and Steven Greer's antics to conclude no story is so absurd that an audience cannot be salvaged with yet more absurd stories?

We'll see how this one plays out.
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« Reply #71 on: Jul 7th, 2015, 2:17pm »

And people wonder why so many of us are grumpy and skeptical about ufo claims in general when this kind of junk gets promoted in the ufo arena.


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« Reply #72 on: Jul 7th, 2015, 3:00pm »

on Jul 7th, 2015, 2:17pm, drwu23 wrote:
And people wonder why so many of us are grumpy and skeptical about ufo claims in general when this kind of junk gets promoted in the ufo arena.


rolleyes


And it's not getting any better for the most part. I'll have a blog post up soon documenting more @sshattery in the Romanek Camp. It's absolutely unbelievable. Literally.
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« Reply #73 on: Jul 7th, 2015, 5:51pm »

on Jul 7th, 2015, 3:00pm, jjflash wrote:
And it's not getting any better for the most part. I'll have a blog post up soon documenting more @sshattery in the Romanek Camp. It's absolutely unbelievable. Literally.


I would enjoy reading about the goings on in the Romanek farce.
You have a link..?
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« Reply #74 on: Jul 7th, 2015, 7:28pm »

Romanek Incredibly Claims He Discredited Himself as Instructed During Death Threat

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Controversial alleged alien abductee Stan Romanek was back in front of the camera recently making more difficult to believe allegations. Romanek apologized in a video published July 5 for his well known stunts on a 2014 episode of the Peter Maxwell Slattery Show, in which he was observed on video trying to discretely throw objects about while suggesting paranormal events were occurring. However, along with his recent apology, Romanek outrageously asserted that he was intentionally discrediting himself as instructed at the time or else suffer grave consequences to himself and/or loved ones. Slattery, who accompanied Romanek in the July 5 video, rather incredibly framed Romanek as courageous for coming forward to supposedly set the record straight, suggesting Romanek was forced to live with tremendous guilt and conflict knowing he had disappointed his following but did so as a sacrifice to protect his family and friends.

The duo repeatedly alleged that the Romanek case was very serious due to the many death threats directed at Romanek and the purported extents of government interest. Also repeatedly referenced was documented evidence of such circumstances, but the purported evidence was never presented. Many will suspect that even if the individuals sincerely believe such evidence exists, it is not documentation of the things they believe it to be, but indicative of other, much less extraordinary circumstances. It is indeed difficult to accept such people are in grave danger who allege so in videos posted on YouTube and filmed from their home.

Lisa Romanek appeared in the recent video and suggested the purported death threats that resulted in Stan discrediting himself were somehow related to his 2014 arrest on child porn charges, but offered no specific evidence of such circumstances or details of her reasoning. The Romaneks deny his guilt and generally assert the charges were part of a state-sponsored campaign to silence him and devalue his credibility. Lisa additionally discussed Stan's purported attack following his arrest, circumstances of which a Loveland Police detective was extremely skeptical.

Stan Romanek opened the video by discussing what he alleged to be numerous circumstances of his phone being tapped, spanning many years, his computer hacked and related circumstances. He provided no confirmation of such claims.

Also leveled were claims of a bomb threat once occurring at a venue where Romanek was scheduled to speak, but, again, documentation thereof was not actually presented, nor was evidence that it had anything to do with either Romanek or extraterrestrials. One such claim of a break in and bomb threat surrounded a Romanek appearance in 2009, but there were reportedly no local police records of any resulting investigations. Some suspected the incidents were related to publicity stunts.

While the more loyal of Romanek's supporters may be pleased with his latest video appearance, others will no doubt find it indicative of the widespread lack of critical thinking and perpetual absence of direct evidence that typically plague the alien abduction genre. If claims of alien abduction are expected to be taken literally, then proof of their validity must be presented. Anything less does not warrant such an extraordinary conclusion. Convoluted tales carrying indirect implications many times removed from a cogent point may be entertaining to some, but it will never substitute for actual direct evidence and verifiable proof.

Romanek has some serious legal issues and potential related mental health challenges. By his own admission in the latest video, he has been under tremendous stress. It is not clear his supporting cast fully understands the situation or all of its implications. Regardless, the seemingly desperate tactics employed are arguably evermore disturbing, particularly given the overall set of circumstances.

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