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« Reply #4 on: Dec 22nd, 2007, 9:32pm »

Very Cool I always love to see JohnBro.Thanks CL.

I also was just talking with Nick and he confirms that the MOD has indeed released their UFO files, He informs me that total disclosure of all 160 documents will take about 3 years to complete.

These files being released is a cummulation of his work to further disclosure, and I think every one should send him a letter of thanks at www.nickpope.net for his dedication, for us to be able to see the truth of these investigations.

"While the list of DAS file references is new as are the
details on timing - i.e. commencement in Spring 2008 and a timescale of three years in total - the decision to release all the files is not new."(Nick Pope, Dec 2007)


"Although a good deal of material is already available at the National Archives and on the MoD website, the rest of the UFO files have yet to be made public. Two separate things are happening right now. Firstly, 24 Defence Intelligence Staff UFO files are going to be considered for release. These were part of a much larger batch of files (on various subjects) that had been contaminated with asbestos. Originally it was feared they'd have to be destroyed, sparking outrage from historians and leading to various conspiracy theories. At huge cost, the files have now been decontaminated and can be considered for release in the normal way. Numerous ufologists have made Freedom of Information Act requests in relation to these files. The second thing that's happening is that the MoD has decided to release its entire archive of UFO files, not least because of the increasing burden of responding to FOI requests (the MoD get more FOI requests in relation to UFOs than on any other subject, including the war in Iraq). This is a massive job and may take months, if not years, as personal details of witnesses have to be removed, along with any information that would genuinely compromise national security - e.g. information on the capability of military radar systems." ( Nick Pope, May 2007)
And he gave me a link to look at.
http://www.officialdisclosure.com/lead-story1.htm
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/DisclosureLog/SearchDisclosureLog/DisUfoIncidentFiles.htm
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 23rd, 2007, 08:54am »

on Dec 22nd, 2007, 9:32pm, Razor wrote:
These files being released is a cummulation of his work to further disclosure, and I think every one should send him a letter of thanks at www.nickpope.net for his dedication, for us to be able to see the truth of these investigations.

Hi Razor, smiley

What led you to this conclusion?

It seems this issue is a bone of contention amongst the UKUFO community, have you seen this website.

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Following sustained pressure by a small number of UFO researchers during the last 8 years, the British Ministry of Defence have decided to release all of their UFO files.

Gary Anthony, Dave Clarke, and Joe McGonagle have been making full use of the Freedom of Information Act and it's precursor, the Code of Practice on access to Government information. At considerable personal expense, effort, and investment of time the three of us have submitted a steady stream of requests. As well as making requests ourselves, we actively encouraged and assisted other ufologists to make their own requests.

Dave Clarke obtained a listing of files held by the MoD on the topic of Unidentified Flying Objects during 2003. In the course of requesting the contents of some of those files, we discovered that 24 files created by DI55 (the Defence Intelligence Branch charged with the investigation of UFO reports) were contaminated by asbestos, and their destruction was being considered. Not only were the UFO records contaminated, but a total of 63,000 files estimated at between 6 to 12 million pages, most of them classified above Secret were facing the same fate. The files covered a wide range of topics from a key period of military and political history.

We campaigned to ensure the salvage of the file contents by gaining the active support of MPs, academics, the media, and ufologists. It didn't take long for the MoD to realise that destruction of the files would be inexcusable and they instigated a project to digitally scan the files before they were destroyed at an estimated cost of 3 million pounds. We continued to monitor the progress of the project, requesting periodic updates from the Departmental Records Officer at the MoD.

Another significant achievement in the course of our activity was identifying the existence of the 'Condign report' in 2005 and securing it's release in 2006. This was the first document obtained under the FoIA with a 'SECRET' classification.

Scanning of the 24 contaminated UFO files owned by DI55 was completed in the early part of 2007, and this prompted a dialogue within the MoD as to the future release of files. Due to the volume of requests about UFOs received by Defence Intelligence, they discussed the viability of a staged, wholesale release, and concluded in April 2007 that this was the preferred way forward. This encouraged the Directorate of Air Space (DAS, the MoD agency charged with filtering reports before passing those thought to be of defence interest to other MoD branches including DI55) to make a similar evaluation and they have now also reached a decision for a staged release of all of their UFO records.

Our enquires have established the following details about the intended release;

1. There are a total of 160 files managed by DAS and DI55 which will be released. These cover a period from the late 1970s up to 2007, including a series of files containing FoIA requests and their responses on the subject of UFOs from 2005 to present.
2. It is expected to take 3 years to review, redact, and release the files, but release will occur in batches as they become available. It is currently intended to process the files in chronological order

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I hope this short article has clarified who was directly responsible for the release of the files. It was certainly not due to a voluntary pro-active release as a certain ex-member of the Civil Service would have everyone believe, but a result of persistent pressure from a very small number of active UFO researchers.

Joe McGonagle
Gary Anthony
Dave Clarke


There’s PDF documents pertaining to these requests and a commentary on selected correspondences received as a result of FOIA requests. Website Here.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 23rd, 2007, 5:36pm »

on Dec 23rd, 2007, 08:54am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Razor, smiley

What led you to this conclusion?

It seems this issue is a bone of contention amongst the UKUFO community, have you seen this website.



There’s PDF documents pertaining to these requests and a commentary on selected correspondences received as a result of FOIA requests. Website Here.


Not sure. The list and related documents where released last week. So its a go.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 24th, 2007, 09:10am »

Well, if it's a go...... smiley

MoD Confirms Release of UFO Reports (Dec 2007)


(UK) UFO Researchers Secure Release Of MoD UFO Documentation. Very recently (21st Dec 2007) Joe McGonagle of UK-UFO.org announced that:

“Following sustained pressure by a small number of UFO researchers during the last 8 years, the British Ministry of Defence have decided to release all of their UFO files. (For the full details of the planned release, visit: UK-UFO.org).

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Gary Anthony, Dave Clarke, and Joe McGonagle have been making full use of the Freedom of Information Act and its precursor, the Code of Practice on access to Government information. At considerable personal expense, effort, and investment of time the three of us have submitted a steady stream of requests. As well as making requests ourselves, we actively encouraged and assisted other ufologists to make their own requests.”

Anybody who is interested in UFOlogy, especially as it relates to the UK and to the “Official” stance of the government owe these researchers at the very least a word of thanks as even anyone who's unaware of the previous achievements of this small but dedicated group will undoubtedly be aware of the many documents that they have been instrumental in obtaining the release of. As far back as 2001, Dave Clarke and Andy Roberts discovered the existence and much more importantly secured the release of documents relating directly to the sensationally named, “Flying Saucer Working Party”. Some of these documents were retained for a further six years before Dave Clarke finally secured release of the sections which were earlier withheld under Section 3(4) of the Public Records Act. (8th February 2007).

And there's also, “Project Condign” Britain 's Secret UFO Study which was the first ever document obtained under the FoIA with a, “SECRET” classification. The researchers meticulous gathering and analysis of documents first identified the existence of the, “Condign report” in 2005 and then promptly secured its release in 2006. A release of information which Dave Clarke doggedly pursued and upon appeal forced the further release of details which were previously claimed too sensitive. Rather than highlight all of their remarkable achievements, I suggest that you visit (and bookmark!!) their main/updates page which has full details and all relevant links to these and many other FOIA requests. (UK-UFO.org updates page).

This recent revelation is the culmination of many years work some of which dates back to 2003 while actively pursuing the release of information via FoIA requests they discovered that DI55 (the Defence Intelligence Branch charged with the investigation of UFO reports) were considering physically destroying millions of pages of files due to asbestos contamination, some of which were specifically created by DI55 in relation to UFO reports. These were just a small percentage of the files which were earmarked for destruction, however all of the files combined covered a diverse and eclectic array of topics which they argued were representative of a key period of military and political history and as such it would be a travesty to simply destroy and ultimately erase these records in their entirety.

Rather than simply sit back and await a decision regarding the demise of these files, they instead launched a campaign enlisting support from MP's, academics, the media, the UFO community and raised awareness among the general public. After rethinking their position the MoD subsequently initiated a costly (estimated at around 3 million pounds!!) project of digitally scanning, archiving and collating the files prior to their destruction. The researchers ensured the progress of this project was closely monitored and periodic updates were requested and granted from the Departmental Records Officer at the MoD, thus ensuring that the details of the project were firmly kept in the public domain.

The scanning stage of the contaminated UFO files was completed early 2007 and as the UK-UFO.org website states:

“This prompted a dialogue within the MoD as to the future release of files. Due to the volume of requests about UFOs received by Defence Intelligence, they discussed the viability of a staged, wholesale release, and concluded in April 2007 that this was the preferred way forward. This encouraged the Directorate of Air Space (DAS, the MoD agency charged with filtering reports before passing those thought to be of defence interest to other MoD branches including DI55) to make a similar evaluation and they have now also reached a decision for a staged release of all of their UFO records.”

The following is from a document obtained under a FoIA request and that was originally dated March 2007. An internal letter which discusses the full release of the documents and leaves no doubt as to the significance of the role the researchers (especially Dave Clarke) played, which was instrumental in this unprecedented release of all MoD UFO documents:

“I agree absolutely that we cannot sustain the current level of FOI requests. I have spoken to (name removed) - the AD in my area that is the only one left in DIST who knows anything. He feels strongly that the campaign is being led by one man and the cumulative resource implications of what he has been asking for is considerable. We expect this to continue.”

The story has since filtered through the tabloids, I was a little disappointed to see that the UK 's Telegraph (online version) chose to extensively quote Nick Pope with absolutely no mention of Dave Clarke and the other researchers at UK-UFO.org. I have no doubt that this omission will subsequently be perpetuated throughout the internet on News websites, Blogs, forums etc.

So when you read further articles or postings regarding this imminent disclosure, or when the release of these documents is finally realised, I urge you not to forget the efforts of Dave Clarke et al. Whose efforts are directly responsible for this landmark event, the results of their collective efforts should stand as irrefutable testimony to the enormity of what can be achieved with perseverance, dedication and determination.

In fact, why not visit their website at UK-UFO.org and thank them right now?

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 10:51pm »

Hey all,
Nick Pope was a skeptic plain and simple while under the employment of UK MoD, in my eyes. He was a skeptic after being released from UK MoD.

Having said that about my feelings about Pope before and shortly after his tenure with UK MoD, Mr Pope did a study on a particular even re a craft flying across parts of England but as tracked directly across UK AF Bases.

This, in my mind, was a very objective analysis by Mr Pope. In that he semi-concluded the craft was actually doing a watch-over of UK Strategic RCF bases.

I believe Nick began to see the light -- UFO light.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 21st, 2008, 09:59am »

Yap RSF If you get a chance read Operation Thunder Child and look at Pennistons craft symbols at www. Nickpope.net Ole boys saw something no doubt about it. The symbol that Penniston drew translate's to me as Earth has Perfection of space and a dispute in the consiousness of earth. I found it very interesting what he saw. That definition comes from the Taoist symbol architectural interpretation.
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