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« Thread started on: Aug 10th, 2010, 5:12pm »

Trust me, I wish it could be as dirty as it sounds wink.
Well I just thought I'd start a thread about whatever's on your mind right now... I guess it should be interesting and maybe even helpful? smiley.
At the moment I'm just thinking about the Aurora, Texas crash of 1897 and downloading the UFO Hunters documentary about it.
Any interesting info would be appreciated if anyone has any - at the moment I can only find out the basics.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 10th, 2010, 5:30pm »

on Aug 10th, 2010, 5:12pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Trust me, I wish it could be as dirty as it sounds wink.
Well I just thought I'd start a thread about whatever's on your mind right now... I guess it should be interesting and maybe even helpful? smiley.
At the moment I'm just thinking about the Aurora, Texas crash of 1897 and downloading the UFO Hunters documentary about it.
Any interesting info would be appreciated if anyone has any - at the moment I can only find out the basics.
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Itís great to see youíve started your own thread on this board!! As always explore all the avenuesÖ..

The article underneath has been published in the daily newspaper The Dallas Observer, Texas, USA, on April 3, 2003.

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Texas town has its own brush with a UFO (Carlton Stowers)

Long before there was the riddle of Roswell, Texas had its own strange story of the crash of an unidentified flying object and the recovery of its pilot. It happened in the Wise County community of Aurora, west of Fort Worth - a decade before Orville and Henry Wright got their flimsy plane off the ground. According to an account that appeared in The Dallas Morning News on April 19, 1897, "...early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of an airship...it sailed directly over the public square and when it reached the north part of town collided with the tower of Judge Proctor's windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion..."

The colorfully written article, authored by Aurora correspondent S.E. Haydon, went on to explain how several tons of silver and aluminum-looking debris from the crash were scattered for acres and that the body of a dead "pilot," thrown from the craft, was badly disfigured. "Mr. T.J. Weems, the United States signal service officer and an authority on astronomy, gives it as his opinion that he [the pilot] was a native of the planet Mars," Haydon reported.

He wrote that the funeral for the celestial visitor was scheduled for the following day with burial in the Aurora Cemetery.

Thus began the cult legend that has inspired a movie ("The Aurora Encounter," 1986) and kept the tiny community of 376 on the UFO map.

And while generally relegated to the category of hoax, it has long fascinated the cosmic researchers. In 1973, Dallas Times Herald aviation writer Bill Case visited Aurora to launch his own investigation of the event, interviewing several old-timers. G.C. Curley, 98 at the time, assured the reporter that he and two of his boyhood friends had actually seen the crash site and the "torn up body" of the airship's pilot. Several others told him of hearing passed-along stories of the event.

Most remarkable was Case's claim that, with the aid of a metal detector, he had discovered the grave site of the extraterrestrial visitor in the nearby cemetery. It was, he reported, marked by a small headstone that featured what he described as a crudely drawn, cigar-shaped object, complete with a series of circular "windows."

Soon, the International UFO Bureau, a group that investigates extraterrestrial phenomena, came running, seeking a court order to have the grave opened and the body exhumed. Aurora Cemetery Association members said no-way-in-hell and the local sheriff began guarding the entrance. Vigilant though he was, the headstone that marked the alleged alien grave ultimately disappeared.

Today, only a historical marker at the entrance to the graveyard alerts visitors to the presence of the heavenly visitor supposedly buried there over a century ago.

In time, the exact location of the unmarked grave was forgotten and Aurora historian Etta Pegues provided her own take on the story:

"It was all a hoax cooked up by [newspaper correspondent] Haydon and a bunch of men sitting around the general store," she wrote. She added that Haydon had a well-known reputation for telling tall tales. Some in the community, she added, suspected that Judge J.S. Proctor, owner of the property where the airship was said to have crashed, might actually have instigated the story.

Standing behind the counter at the "alien green"-painted Area 114 Gift Shop, Iona Reed says, "People around here don't like to talk about it anymore."

Does she believe something actually crashed no more than 100 yards from where her daughter's gift shop now sits on the side of Highway 114? She smiles, shrugs and points to a 45-minute video produced and narrated by veteran conspiracy writer Jim Marrs. "It tells the whole story," she says. For only $19.95 plus tax.



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« Reply #2 on: Aug 11th, 2010, 05:15am »

Hey DrDil smiley;
You've got me worried - you seem to have a rational explanation for everything wink.
I've read a few hoax theories about it already. I've also read a few hoax theories about Roswell and the White Mountain abduction. Generally speaking, whenever a UFO story or event comes into place, so do hoax theories.
To be honest with you, I highly doubt a small tale about a UFO crash with next to no evidence would save a dying town.
I don't believe everything I've read about the Aurora incident but I think there might be some element of truth to it.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 11th, 2010, 07:46am »

Good thread CA519705950!
I look forward to reading it and hopefully contributing once in awhile.
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on Aug 11th, 2010, 05:15am, CA519705950 wrote:
Hey DrDil smiley;
You've got me worried - you seem to have a rational explanation for everything wink.

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on Aug 11th, 2010, 05:15am, CA519705950 wrote:
I've read a few hoax theories about it already. I've also read a few hoax theories about Roswell and the White Mountain abduction. Generally speaking, whenever a UFO story or event comes into place, so do hoax theories.
To be honest with you, I highly doubt a small tale about a UFO crash with next to no evidence would save a dying town.
I don't believe everything I've read about the Aurora incident but I think there might be some element of truth to it.

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One interesting story that emerged from a newspaper in Aurora, Texas, was the 1897 report of a UFO that flew into the town water tower. The story bears a strange . . . almost uncanny similarity to events that reportedly happened in Roswell, New Mexico, about a half-century later. It was even told a few years before Orville and Henry Wright made their historic flight of the first aircraft.

That someone would envision a UFO for a story at that early time should not come as a surprise. The concept of flight was talked about, and tried, for years before it was actually accomplished. Michaelangelo envisioned flying craft and even the helicopter in his sketches.

The Aurora story was printed by the Dallas Morning News on April 19, 1897. The story said "early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of an airshipit sailed directly over the public square and when it reached the north part of town collided with the tower of Judge Proctor's windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion"

The story by Aurora correspondent S.E. Haydon explained how several tons of silver and aluminum-looking debris from the crash were scattered for acres and that the body of a dead pilot, thrown from the craft, was severely disfigured. "Mr. T.J. Weems, the United States signal service officer and an authority on astronomy, gives it as his opinion that [the pilot] was a native of the planet Mars," Haydon reported.

He wrote that the funeral for the celestial visitor was scheduled for the following day with burial in the Aurora Cemetery.

People were so enamoured by the story of a 19th Century UFO crash that the hoax has since gotten out of hand. It even inspired a 1986 film called The Aurora Encounter. A cult following has developed, and the town of Aurora with a population of just under 400, now lives on the fame of an event that probably never happened.

The story exploded to life in 1973 when Dallas Times Herald writer Bill Case visited Aurora to do his own investigation of the event. Case interviewed some of the old-timers and got 98-year-old G. C. Curley to say that he and two of his pals saw the crash site and the body of the pilot. Other people said they heard the airship pass overhead prior to the crash.

Case even claimed that he used a metal detector to find the gravesite of the alien pilot in the town cemetery. He said the headstone featured a crude marking of a cigar-shaped object with circular windows.

After the Case story appeared, the International UFO Bureau, a group that investigated extraterrestrial phenomenen, came to Aurora. The group sought a court order to have the grave opened and the body examined. The local cemetery association fought the request, and the affair ended up with the local sheriff guarding the entrance. Alas, the headstone supposedly disappeared.

The headstone has been replaced by a historical marker at the entrance to the cemetery. It tells of the presence of the burial site somewhere in the cemetery, although nobody seems to know exactly where it is.

Local historian Etta Pegues hasn't been fooled by all the publicity. "It was all a hoax cooked up by Haydon and a bunch of men sitting around the general store," she wrote. She said Haydon had a well-known reputation for telling tall tales. Some in the community suspected that Judge J.S. Proctor, owner of the property where the airship was said to have crashed, might have instigated the story.

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The stories of the flight of the Great Airship of 1897 provides us with proof of both theories. Although many of the tales have since been shown to be jokes, there are a few that are repeated in the UFO literature with such regularity, and almost with such awe, that it is necessary to provide, once again, all the information about them so that we can work to remove them from that same literature. One of the most famous, and probably the most reported, is the Aurora, Texas, UFO crash that had been the subject of that email correspondence.


Typical of the airship sightings was that told by Patrick Barnes to the Fort Worth Register, "which hardly cares to repeat it." He claimed that he was traveling near Cisco, Texas, and spotted several men standing around a large cigar-shaped craft. He went over to talk to them and learned they were on their way to Cuba to bomb the Spanish. They had landed to make some repairs, and soon took off. Their immediate destination was the Ozarks where they planned to train for their self-designed mission.

The Aurora crash story, as it is told just days later, suggests the airship appeared about dawn on April 17, 1897, came in low, buzzed the town square and then continued north, toward the farm owned at the time by Judge Proctor. There it hit a windmill and exploded into a shower of debris, damaging the Judgeís flower garden, and house, not to mention his windmill. The townspeople rushed to the scene and found the badly disfigured body of the pilot. T.J. Weems, a Signal Corps officer (think intelligence officer here in 1897), thought the pilot was probably from Mars.

Being good Christians, and apparently because no one had anything else to do, they buried the pilot after a short memorial service that afternoon. They also gathered several documents covered with a strange writing found in the wreckage, and picked up tons of material including silver and aluminum that came from the airship. All that evidence has long since disappeared.

And thatís it. No follow up stories as tourists flocked to Aurora. No mysterious scientists arriving to inspect the wreckage. No Army response, though one of their own was on hand to report what he had seen. And finally, most importantly, no one ever produced those documents or bits and pieces of the wreckage, though there had been tons of it, at least according to the newspaper report.

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The problem here is that I beat most of these people to Aurora by several years to conduct my own investigation. I talked to some of those same longtime residents who told me in the early 1970s that nothing had happened. I talked to the historians at the Wise County Historical Society (Aurora is in Wise County) who told me that it hadnít happened, though they wish it had. I learned that T.J. Weems, the famed Signal Corps officer was, in fact, the local blacksmith. I learned that Judge Proctor didnít have a windmill, or rather that was what was said then. Now they suggest that he had two windmills. I wandered the grave yard, which isnít all that large (something just over 800 graves) and found no marker with strange symbols carved on it, though there are those who suggest a crude headstone with a rough airship on it had been there at the time.

I found nothing to support the tale and went away believing, based on my own research and interviews, this to be another of the airship hoaxes.

Metal collected by all those others, when analyzed here, turned out to be nothing strange or unusual. Some of it was later analyzed in a Canadian lab and their results mirrored those of American labs. So much for the idea that the government, in the guise of the CIA, the Air Force, or the mythical MJ-12, conspired to suppress evidence of the Aurora UFO crash.

Isnít it interesting, though, that none of the metal supposedly gathered by the townís residents has ever surfaced. The metal analyzed was always recovered by researchers with metal detectors. Isnít interesting that the strange grave marker has since disappeared and there is no real photographic record of it. There should be for all the research that has been done and the single picture that has turned up showed not an airship but a coarse triangle with circles in the center. And isnít interesting that there were never any follow up reports from Aurora. First the big splash with the crash and then nothing for more than sixty years.

The final, fatal blow for the airship and Aurora crash comes from the original reporter. H.E. Hayden, a stringer for the Dallas Morning News, who claimed to have invented the story in a vain attempt to put his dying community back on the map. He hoped to draw attention, and people, to Aurora, Texas. He was successful. The problem was that he succeeded sixty years too late and those who arrived only wanted to learn about the airship, not settle down to rebuild the community as he had hoped.

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Imagine our surprise & amusement when we saw on the cover of the March 1999 MUFON Journal a full-page photo of Walt Andrus himself, dressed in short pants and smiling like a kid who has found a new toy. Indeed, he is holding a large piece of plaster of paris, in which is embedded a mystery skeleton which, he claims, may well tie in with the visitors-from-Space syndrome. Beginning on Page 3 is the lead article, entitled "The Alien?" and personally written by MUFON International Director Walt Andrus!

The story is rather convoluted, but it jells nicely with the famed Aurora, Texas UFO crash of 1897. Unfortunately, the Aurora case is generally accepted in the UFO field as having been a hoax. This is the conclusion reached by historian Ronald Story in his 1980 "Encyclopedia of UFOS", and also by better-known UFO historian Jerry Clark. (And also by Dr. J. Allen Hynek and others!) Clark has a long article about Aurora in his most recent encyclopedia, detailing the involvement of various researchers through the years, including Hayden Hewes of the International UFO Bureau (now defunct), and MUFON.

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Anyhow, some time after 1929 (the date is not made clear), a strange skeleton was skeleton embedded in plaster of paris dug up near Ladonia and was shown to Professor Bob Slaughter, a well-known paleontologist in that area. The skeleton is about forty inches tall, has mostly hollow bones, has teeth like a human, and most interestingly, there is some sort of ornate belt and ceremonial sword. There are some resemblances to the dreaded "greys" of modern saucer mythology, but Andrus, always the cautious researcher, carefully states: "MUFON is making no claims that the skeleton is of an extraterrestrial alien.... (but) the similarities are sufficient to make it very exciting for future study." (If this is not a claimed alien , why is it the lead story in the MUFON Journal?

Bob Slaughter wrote a book published in 1996 called "Fossil Remains of Mythical Creatures" (italics ours), of which the first chapter is called "Alien". The other chapters deal with strange bones and fossils from around the world. It is published by Smilodoness Books of Dallas, Texas, and it sounds like such a good read that we are trying hard to obtain a copy - with no success, so far. The publisher won't answer his phone!

Sadly, Bob Slaughter died in early 1998, just months before Walt Andrus tried to contact him. All the other key figures in the case are either dead or missing. Researching this weird skeleton will not be easy, but in a phone interview with your "Smear" editor, Andrus vowed to go on trying!

One clue that Andrus might want to follow up is that Bob Slaughter was a sculptor as well as a paleontologist.

And guess what! According to the MUFON Journal, Slaughter's widow is working on a movie deal regarding all this, and the part of the deceased paleontologist is tentatively scheduled to be played by famed actor Paul Newman. Egads!

Let us close with a quote from Jerry Clark's commentary on the Aurora case: "All stories of lgth century UFO crashes must be viewed as suspect. It is probable that few such reports were believed, or even meant to be believed, in their time. Some are obvious jokes ... Newspaper hoaxing and frontier humor surely have far more to do with the genesis of these reports than do interplanetary tragedies... "

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In viewing any article from 19th century newspapers we must be aware of the abundance of hoax journalism during that period. Newspapers didn't just report news, but also provided entertainment. Much of this was in the form of books that were serialized of a number of issues. Some of it was in another form that is little regarded now: The hoax news story. Both of the above are probably examples of this almost forgotten tradition. How do we know? Mainly because they lack any collaborating evidence. In both cases no follow up stories were ever written which seems strange if events of the magnitude suggested did really occur. Also no pieces of the spaceships have ever shown up in local museums or historical societies.

The Texas incident was investigated in the late 1960's. Then residents of Aurora who were there in 1897 were still alive. None reported that they remembered the crash. Several stated that Judge Proctor never had a windmill. One confirmed that the T. J. Weems mentioned in the story was not a signal officer, but the town blacksmith. Most were of the opinion that F. E. Hayden, who had written the story, was just trying to get some publicity for the town. In addition, a search of the alleged crash site with a metal detector revealed nothing.

The story might have remained dead except for a writer with the Dallas Times Herald. In 1973 the newspaper did a series of sensational stories about the "crash." Despite faulty evidence and questionable witness accounts the stories managed to attract national attention. The excitement reached its peak when an Aurora cemetery was desecrated. The cemetery had kept meticulous records showing just who was buried where and there was no "man from mars" on the roster. Despite this, a plot, that some claimed was the Martian's, was dug up and the tombstone stolen. According to some accounts the tombstone had a picture of an UFO carved into it.

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 14th, 2010, 5:52pm »

Thanks for all those infos, DrDil. And btw. some great posts in the UN-thread over at OMF! Kudos! smiley

Right now I'm thinking of that one problem ufology has is that there are people who want to make some money. They want to get as much attention as they can get, speak at conferences, giving interviews, writing articles and books and they won't care if what they spill would be just utter bullcrap. They don't care. Because they just care about themselves and maybe their friends, who claim to be secret sources and that they would be on the inside. They too want just get the same. Attention and a little bit of cash.

But keep in mind that this only works as long as they can get an audience. So if some people would finally start to switch on their bs-o-meter those guys wouldn't be able anymore to muddy the waters.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 17th, 2010, 5:43pm »

Hmmm interesting DrDil, good posts. Thanks for sharing the information.
You're right, Phil. I've noticed that a lot of people involved in ufology try to make money from it. I think some more than others. It can be likened to music in a way - some artists (eg: Miley Cyrus wink) produce trash that gains a following by one group of people resulting in a helluvalotof money for the artist. Money-over-music instead of music-over-money. I think this concept is true for ufology, too - some people seem to care more about money than the information they give out.
But of course, everyone wants to make money from something that interests them. If I could get a job staring at scantily clad ladies then I'd be more than happy wink. I think the main problem is when false information is given out or myths/hoaxes are perpetuated.

Today I've been thinking about nothing much. I went for a jolly old stroll through the woods with my friend and felt a little disheartened now that she's taking college instead of 6th form. Of course, it's best for her and I hope she does brilliantly... she deserves it. But that 'moving on' feeling is one that I dislike. Seeing less of your best friend is never good and I could always have the most amazing conversations with her... she's not just interested in JLS, Big Brother and sex like most people my age. I can have good, philosophical discussions and it's great. There's something slightly wrong about me preferring message boards to people I meet at school but I can't discuss anything like this with any of them. I've been told that I'm old-headed for my age and I've always found it a lot easier to talk to adults... so I guess maybe it's just a matter of time until I can finally have decent conversations with people 'in real life'. But then, today's teenagers are tomorrow's adults... so maybe not. Hmmm.

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on Aug 10th, 2010, 5:12pm, CA519705950 wrote:
Trust me, I wish it could be as dirty as it sounds wink.
Well I just thought I'd start a thread about whatever's on your mind right now... I guess it should be interesting and maybe even helpful? smiley.
At the moment I'm just thinking about the Aurora, Texas crash of 1897 and downloading the UFO Hunters documentary about it.
Any interesting info would be appreciated if anyone has any - at the moment I can only find out the basics.
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Good idea, CA: I'm right now thinking of preparing breakfast. It will be an omelet, made with slivers of fried ham and onions, extra vierge olive oil, and arabic herbs, a family favorite. I serve it with home-made garlic sauce, pepper-paste and (weirdly) Parmegiano grated cheese. Chinese blossom tea alongside. A large pot of coffee will be brewing for afterward. That's all.


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« Reply #9 on: Aug 19th, 2010, 09:18am »

What's on my mind right now?
I think I'll go get a cup of coffee. smiley

Thanks for the coffee Purr. wink
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I have been thinking of two things lately. The first thing was an object I saw in the late afternoon sky that my friend didn't see. It was big and bright and I don't understand how he could miss it.
The second thing was a dream involving a flood. I was in the dirty water moving swiftly down the road. I guess the meaning would be that I was in for a long hard struggle. The dream included an easy end to the flood with two people telling me they were doing vollutary work with menally handicaped people and at the jail. It wouldn't bother me so much if she didn't say she was visiting me at the jail and told me it takes a special person to (at this time I am rolling my eyes and thinking how easy it is to work with the mentally ill than the sick). I guess the meaning of this would be someone will save me in the flood and a man will use me. I am wondering if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 26th, 2010, 4:29pm »

I'm thinking of the mess at MUFON. No, this isn"t a bashing to them. Just can't figure out why they changed a good thing(Forum). I will miss it. Ok. Out with the old and in with the new. About me;
58. M. Seen UFO's on four occasions. Got to be a three star member at Mufon, but I guess that is history now. Am looking forward to starting a new life here.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 26th, 2010, 6:14pm »

Many of the people on the Mufon forum got stars upon thars by making staements like. "REALLY!" or "WOW!" In other words stars are meaningless. It doesn't make anyone more informed.
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on Aug 26th, 2010, 4:29pm, ronogical wrote:
I'm thinking of the mess at MUFON. No, this isn"t a bashing to them. Just can't figure out why they changed a good thing(Forum). I will miss it. Ok. Out with the old and in with the new. About me;
58. M. Seen UFO's on four occasions. Got to be a three star member at Mufon, but I guess that is history now. Am looking forward to starting a new life here.

I don't like the new MUFON main site. I think it looks a lot worse than before... like a failed 'professional' look.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 28th, 2010, 10:11pm »

Glenn Beck is the biggest charlatan since P.T. Barnum.

He care's nothing about this country.

It is all about the great all mighty dollar.

He was still married when he started an illicit affair with his current wife.

His convergence with the Mormons now gives him the power to tell the rest of the world what we are doing wrong.

Of all the religions that I have read Mormonism is way out there.

Plus he is a Libertarian. Meaning I want no;t;hing to do with the government. There should be no oversight at all when it comes to peoples personal freedoms or protection.

REALLY

So when beck goes into a restaurant and orders a steak, there is no chance of food poisoning because he walks with Jesus.

He is a Daily, Weekly, Monthly contradiction of his own believe system. He has no character at all.

A sucker born every minute, Glen Beck is the worst kind of propaganda Nazi Manipulator "Since Hitler.

Sorry to bring that up but Glenn sees Nazi's in his daughter4s cereal bowl.

People see him as their savior.

How dare he compare himself to MLK.

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