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Part I..
While im on this sacred thread..and I do mean that..I thought I would post a delightful piece I found just today...I do hope it contributes ..in our respective journeys..
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When God Was Not Alone: Polytheism In Ancient Israel
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When God Was Not Alone:
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I wrote this for a class in religious studies while in college. This was the only assignment for the entire class. I was happy to have received an “A” for the class. Keep in mind this was written many years ago and does not reflect any post 1993 findings.



Nearly every version of the Bible begins with these words: “In the beginning God…” (Genesis 1:1). In English translation, “God” appears to be a single entity or being. However, the original Hebrew word used here for “God” is elohiym which, literally translated, means “Gods[1].” Most scholars agree that elohiym is a plural word without gender. Research has shown that “God” was not always the single, yet tripartite, being that is confessed by many today. Contrary to the general beliefs held by many people, at one time there were many Gods[2] and Goddesses who were recognized by the ancient Israelites.

“Although monotheism is recognized as an innovation of the Israelites in the biblical period, the dominant view among critical scholars has been that the Israelite populace as a whole was not monotheistic or even monolatrous until shortly before or even after the fall of the Judahite kingdom in 587/86 B.C.E.” (Ancient Israelite Religion 157).

What of these Gods and Goddesses who were abandoned in the desert and how were they replaced by the One God?


“There has been and is much disagreement among theologians about the god honored among the Hebrews” (Smith, Mark xix). Mark Smith says that this statement by Lydus, a Greek of the sixth century, is just as true today as it was when it was written. Before we delve too deeply into this drama, let’s take a look at the major deities that play a role in the development of the belief in a single deity, namely Yahweh, and monotheism in general.

Ancient Israelite Deities[3]

El(Il) – Modeled on the creator God of the Canaanites, Il, represented by the bull and revered by the Hebrew tribes who settled northern Palestine. In Biblical texts the word el comes to be used in a descriptive sense as a qualifying epithet meaning “lord.” Possibly El came to represent the sum of all the creator spirits of the northern tribes.

Yahweh – Creator God of the southern tribes of Israel. Possible copy of the Egyptian God Atum(Aten). This is the God, who according to tradition, was revealed to Moses on Mt. Sinai, who provided the covenant, ten tablets of law. Eventually superseded El, to become the supreme deity of Israel. In English translation, Yahweh (or YhWh) is usually replaced by the tern “Lord.” “Jehovah” is a corruption introduced circa 1200-1300 ad.

Baal – Brother of the Goddess Anat (see below). Son of Dagan and in turn the father of seven storm Gods, the Baalim, and seven mid-wife Goddesses, the Sasuratum. Worshiped from at least the nineteenth century BC by the Canaanites and northern Israel.

Anat – Sister of Baal (see above), primarily a fertility Goddess. Described variously as “Mother of the Gods” and “Mistress of the sky.” Also a youthful and aggressive Goddess of war. Worshiped from circa 2500 BC until 200 AD or later.

Asherah – Great Mother Goddess of Canaan. Seems to have lived close by the place of Il(See El above) and is said to have had many sons. Described as the “Creatress of the Gods”. Worshipped from circa third millennium BC until Christianization (circa 400 AD).

All of these deities were at ssome time worshiped by the ancient Israelites. Canaanite deities worshiped by Israelites? We will discover that the Israelite religion is modeled closely after that of their neighbors, the Canaanites. “Early Israelite culture cannot be separated easily from the culture of Canaan. The highlands of Israel during the Iron Age (ca. 1200-587) reflect continuity with the Canaanite culture during the preceding period both in the highlands and contemporary cities on the coast and in the valleys” (Smith, Mark 1).

“The original God of Israel was El. This reconstruction may be inferred from two pieces of information. First, the name of Israel is not a Yahwistic name with the divine element of Yahweh, but an El name, with the element, el. This fact would suggest that El was the original chief God of the group named Israel. Second, Genesis 49:24-25 presents a series of El epithets separate from the mention of Yahweh in verse 18. Similarly, Deuteronomy 32:8-9 casts Yahweh in the role of one of the sons of El, called elyon” (Smith, Mark 7).

“When the Most High (elyon) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage” (Smith, Mark 7).

Smith goes on to explain that this passage shows that each deity received its own nation and that Israel was the nation that was received by Yahweh. Another indication, according to Smith, that Yahweh and El were the same is the fact that there are no biblical arguments against El. Israelite tradition identified El with Yahweh or presupposed this equality (Smith, Mark 8).

According to J. Tigay, the few proper names with the divine names of Anat and Asherah do not indicate a cult to these deities, with Baal as a possible exception. “Just as no cult is attested for Anat or Asherah in Israelite religion, so also there is no distinct cult attested for El except in his identity as Yahweh” (Smith, Mark 8-9, emphasis mine).

“It is highly likely that Abraham’s God was El, the High God of Canaan. The deity introduces himself to Abraham as El Shaddai (El of the Mountain), which was one of El’s traditional titles. The name of the Canaanite High God is preserved in such Hebrew names as Isra-El or Ishma-El” (Armstrong 14).

The Old Testament is full of references to El. For example, Genesis 32:30 reads “And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” In the original Hebrew the name used here for God is El. Other references make use of the name Yahweh.

According to the Bible, Baal worship was threatening to Israel from the time of the Judges down to the monarchy. 1 Kings 11:4 assumes that this was the case for Solomon’s reign.

“For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father” (KJV)[4].

Names that contain the name of Baal such as Jerubbaal, Ishbaal and Meribbaal, have been used as a basis for the theory that Israelite society, including some among the royalty, saw the worship of Baal as a reasonable practice. Some scholars have even gone so far as to say that Baal was a name for Yahweh and that the cult of Baal co-existed with the cult of Yahweh (Smith, Mark 41).

The Bible intimates that Baal, and to a lesser extent Asherah (see below), are separate deities, but there is no such characterization of Anat. Except for the use of personal names, Anat does not appear in the Bible. Anat was a Goddess in parts of Egypt, but there is no evidence to prove that She was a Goddess in Israel. There are many similarities between the Goddess Anat and the God Yahweh, as a comparison of many biblical passages with Ugaritic passages will show. For example Isaiah 59:15-19 from the Bible and CTA 3.2 3-30 both describe the bloodiness of a warring deity, Anat and Yahweh respectively. Many scholars believe that Anat was assimilated into the personage of Yahweh (Smith, Mark 60-64).

Numerous biblical passages[5] “indicate that the devotion to the cult symbol known as the asherah, a wooden pole of some sort, and the religious items collectively called the asherim was observed as early as the period of the Judges and as late as a few decades before the fall of the southern kingdom” (Smith, Mark 80).

According to Smith, the asherah was a wooden object that symbolized a tree. Trees were considered to be a symbol of the Goddess and represented Her presence.

“The biblical and classical witnesses may point to a common Canaanite tradition. Was the tree originally the symbol of the goddess, and did the pole substituting for a tree secondarily come to be a symbol of the asherah? In this case, the symbol developed originally from the cultic use of an actual tree. This interpretation underlies the proposal of Albright that BH elah may be derived from the epithet of Asherah, ilt, ‘goddess.’ Both Hebrew elah and Ugaritic il are grammatically feminine singular nouns corresponding to the masculine forms el in Hebrew and il Ugaritic. (Both Hebrew el and Ugaritic il are generic words for ‘god’ and designations for the god ‘El'” (Smith, Mark 83).

Was Asherah an Israelite Goddess? If so, was She the consort of Yahweh or perhaps the information we have points to the asherah as a symbol within the cult of Yahweh without indicating a Goddess? A majority of scholars hold with the idea that Asherah was indeed an Israelite Goddess. Smith writes that the question of “whether the symbol represented a goddess who was Yahweh’s consort requires an appeal to the biblical evidence…” (Smith, Mark 89). Genesis 49:25 may indicate that Asherah was the consort of El rather than of Yahweh at some point in early Israelite religion:

“Even by the God of the father, who shall help thee; and by the almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb;”

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Part II


“Olyan’s argument that Asherah became Yahweh’s consort by virtue of the identification of Yahweh and El has provided a viable explanation for the development of the cult of Yahweh and his Asherah. Indeed a number of biblical passages have been cited in defense of the reconstruction that Asherah was a Goddess in Israel,” see 1 Kings 18:19, 2 Kings 21:7, 2 Kings 23:4, Judges 3:7, and Jeremiah 2:27 (Smith, Mark 89).

As discussed earlier, there are features of El and Baal that can be seen in the nature of Yahweh. Likewise, “it is possible to trace some female images for Yahweh to the Goddess Asherah or at least Her symbol, the asherah” (Smith, Mark 103).

]In 722 BCE King Sargon II conquered the northern kingdom and the ten tribes of Israel disappeared from history forever. Meanwhile, the tiny kingdom of Judah lived in fear of annihilation. It was here that Isaiah prayed in the temple. He was probably afraid that the religion of Israel had lost its integrity and meaning. Suddenly he found himself having visions of Yahweh attended by two of the seraphim. “Holy! holy! holy is Yahweh Sabaoth. His glory fills the whole earth” they cried, covering their faces with their wings for fear of seeing his face (Isaiah 6:3). The word “holy,” as used today, carries with it connotations of moral superiority. This is quite different from the original meaning of the word in Hebrew. The word used here for “holy” is the Hebrew word kaddosh which means something closer to “otherness.” So, in effect, the seraphim were saying, “Yahweh is other! other! other!” Not only other, but one! (Armstrong 40-41).
This “Other” God of Israel (Yahweh) revealed Himself in current events rather than in mythology. By doing so, He set Himself apart from the “pagan” Gods and Goddesses. The prophets of Yahweh taught that political events were revealing the God who would later become the lord and master of history.

To the Egyptians, Babylonians and other peoples of the day, the major powers of nature each existed as an individual God or Goddess. “The storm was the Storm-God, the sun the Sun-God, the rain the Rain-God”. The Jews, as did their pagan counterparts, viewed God as a personal God. The Jews, however, differed in focusing this personalism in a single supreme will. To them, nature was an expression of the single Lord of all things (Smith, Huston 273-4).

Monotheism brought a very different focus into life. “If God is that to which one gives oneself unreservedly, to have more than one God is to have a life of divided loyalties” (Smith, Huston 275). Smith goes on to explain that if life is not to be spent going around discovering “who is in charge” that day; that there must be a consistent way that life is to be lived. If it is to be constantly moving toward fulfillment, then there must be a singleness toward this “Other” that supports his way (Smith, Huston 274-275).

We can see that attributes and actions of many different Gods and Goddesses have been assimilated into the personage of Yahweh. Obviously this is a process that did not occur “overnight”, but rather through several generations of ancient Israelites. It is this assimilation that eventually caused the prophets to declare:

“Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One”(Deuteronomy 6:4).

The question of whether the God who revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush is the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham remains a mystery. So it is with the questions of the relationship of El, Baal, Anat, and Asherah to Yahweh. No amount of archeological evidence or ancient literature will ever answer this question fully for us. After all, the only evidence we really have, comes from people who, like the rest of us, are fallible human beings[7].

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where? I looked for her..nowhere in sight.. undecided
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« Reply #83 on: Sep 23rd, 2014, 11:47am »

A while back there was a post about someone converting his dead cat into a quadrocopter. Now we have one fitted with a Linear motor.

Interesting if somewhat macabre examples of engineering ingenuity.

Laiththwaite would be pleased.

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One of her relatives MrMeowMers in the states received a medal of honor for heroism a few years ago....they were quite close a mutual friend .percy...persian breed informs me..listening and reading all this war and antiwar stuff , reality and non reality..may have given her flashbacks.


I will have to go to my scratch pole and think what has transpired with all of us..She was quite fond of INT21..sat on his face..I mean laptop ...it was a beautiful shot..
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I too was wondering about our valued colleague.

Cats get bored very easily if nothing is happening. And one must admit that things are a bit stale at the moment.
Maybe the life outside casebook holds more interest.

Wouldn't take much.

Our friend north of the border in the UK also only made a brief return and than vanished.

We are entering the doldrums.

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« Reply #86 on: Sep 24th, 2014, 08:13am »

Meow! Thanks for adding wonderful imaginative posts my fellow earth life forms! I'm out of the woods now, having spent a satisfying and relaxing week inside them.

As I moved between the trees an idea I read here (posed by among others dr Wu) moved through my mind: Islam isn't all that different from any other great and small religion, except for their apparent lack of a reformation. Hinduism (fav reading subject of mine) had their Buddha. The Jews had Jesus (not too well received though). And of course Christianity underwent progressive civilization through Martin Luther and the ideas of Enlightenment and secularization going into print and then global. The previous modest three lines represent HUMONGOUS changes in people's faith and practice over centuries, ESPECIALLY IN REDUCING THE NEED TO KILL over the fineries of theology and belief and perceived sins.

I'm wracking my brain over why Islam didn't go through such changes. Or maybe they did have reformers/reformation movements and rejected them, killed them?

Think I have to do a separate discussion thread about this now, so we can all have a conversation about this peculiar history. One hint: I seem to remember that Luther didn't merely 'protest' Catholic corruptions, he and his followers were protected by German kings, by powerful armies. Maybe Islamic reform lacked the protection, raw force it needed to survive and thrive...


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Interesting brain wave resonances, Purr. It's difficult to make any sense out of much of what goes on here. It doesn't seem to be getting any easier, either!
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on Sep 24th, 2014, 08:13am, purr wrote:
Meow! Thanks for adding wonderful imaginative posts my fellow earth life forms! I'm out of the woods now, having spent a satisfying and relaxing week inside them.

As I moved between the trees an idea I read here (posed by among others dr Wu) moved through my mind: Islam isn't all that different from any other great and small religion, except for their apparent lack of a reformation. Hinduism (fav reading subject of mine) had their Buddha. The Jews had Jesus (not too well received though). And of course Christianity underwent progressive civilization through Martin Luther and the ideas of Enlightenment and secularization going into print and then global. The previous modest three lines represent HUMONGOUS changes in people's faith and practice over centuries, ESPECIALLY IN REDUCING THE NEED TO KILL over the fineries of theology and belief and perceived sins.

I'm wracking my brain over why Islam didn't go through such changes. Or maybe they did have reformers/reformation movements and rejected them, killed them?

Think I have to do a separate discussion thread about this now, so we can all have a conversation about this peculiar history. One hint: I seem to remember that Luther didn't merely 'protest' Catholic corruptions, he and his followers were protected by German kings, by powerful armies. Maybe Islamic reform lacked the protection, raw force it needed to survive and thrive...


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Printing soon spread from Mainz, Germany to over two hundred cities in a dozen European countries.[9] However the first book in English was not until 25 years later in 1475. By 1500, printing presses in operation throughout Western Europe had already produced more than twenty million volumes.[9] In the 16th century, with presses spreading further afield, their output rose tenfold to an estimated 150 to 200 million copies.[9] The operation of a press became so synonymous with the enterprise of printing that, by metonymy, it lent its name to a new branch of media, the press.[10] The importance of printing as an emblem of modern achievement and of the ability of so-called Moderns to rival the Ancients, in whose teachings much of Renaissance learning was grounded, was enhanced by the frequent juxtaposition of the recent invention of printing to those of firearms and the nautical compass.[11] In 1620, the English philosopher Francis Bacon indeed wrote that these three inventions "changed the whole face and state of the world".[12]

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and the same is happening here ith the internet..and the old system is having fits to stop the flow and cope ith the explosion of ideas..things less controllable..antiquated concepts exposed for what they are..If someone tries to rest control..someone else builds another..the outcome unpredictable..volatile..empowering and toppling power elsewhere..
people lied with the old press lieed pamphlets just as a wordpress blog can lie...enslave as well as liberate....but a whole lot faster...
It all depends on the ability of the writer to connect with the reader..
The reformation is happening now..
much like the alien is still under construction.
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