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« Reply #105 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 3:51pm »

This isn't about UFOs per se, but it is notable for being generally held a a truth (media distorts) and disregarded with every subsequent news item.

Media Credibility and the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect
Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 11:00 AM
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http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/08/17/media-credibility-and-the-murray-gell-mann-amnesia-effect/

Why, when I realize that journalists misrepresent topics that I know about, do I trust them to accurately cover issues that I don’t know much about?

I’ve thought about that question for years but didn’t realize until yesterday that the late novelist Michael Crichton coined a related term for this: the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I’d point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all.

But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn’t. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.

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Sometimes we know a little something that pertains to a news story, or background of the people or place where a UFO might be reported. And we get irritated that the article portrays parts (or possibly the whole) of a story incorrectly.

How often then do we go willingly to the next news story in "oh wow" wonder, after having been deceived (probably through the reporters' ignorance) just prior? Or rather, detecting the fallacies. How is it for you? When you see a bad piece, not just for UFOs but for anything, what is your gut feeling on the very next story you read?

As a corollary: when a media outlet decides to let someone "science-y" do a report, rather than a reporter not trained in physics or atmospherics or knowledge of aerial phenomena... don't they tend to find an overly skeptical spokesperson? Perhaps UFOlogy breeds skepticism among the scientifically informed.
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« Reply #106 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 5:47pm »

... Perhaps UFOlogy breeds skepticism among the scientifically informed....

There is so much speculation and so little fact based argument in ufology that skepticism is the only approach to assume.

Don't forget, a skeptic is willing to change his belief shown sufficient evidence.

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« Reply #107 on: Feb 16th, 2013, 04:04am »

Lol Hal I have to laugh when the term scientifically informed is used, unless your part of the group and have access to information without gagging orders or any other clause in your contract and you do not stand to loose your grant for going against mainstream doctrine then you just have do as told by your peers. And then any poor mug who does try to tell or investigate the truth ends up ridiculed on YouTube, so our little scientists have little options open to them, pay the rent and eat or end up penniless . In other words you cannot accept what science states as fact regarding ET as ulterior motives control their actions. Same applies to the believer offering evidence then demanding fame or gain, again ulterior motive hence why the NET is full to the brim with B/S on the subject of ET from both parties. It’s not just a case of being skeptic or believer anymore; it’s a case of who tells the most convincing lie .
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« Reply #108 on: Feb 16th, 2013, 12:29pm »

Hyundisonata,

.. It’s not just a case of being skeptic or believer anymore; it’s a case of who tells the most convincing lie . ..

That in itself isn't a problem. It's that you can't be sure where etc look to get reliable and accurate info.

I often think of just jacking the whole thing in.

Is the game worth the candle (or the bandwidth) ?

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« Reply #109 on: Feb 19th, 2013, 12:29pm »

I could have posted this in the various meteor threads, but I decided to put this in the what the news is reporting section. I wonder if an old phenomenon will finally get an explanation, or if people will just shrug and off they go (it looks like maybe jelly stuff for frog eggs)...

Alien Slime Found at Somerset Nature Reserve after Meteor Strike
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February 19, 2013 1:20 PM GMT


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/436854/20130219/russia-meteor-goo-somerset.htm

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Experts are examining a mysterious slime in a Somerset nature reserve in the wake of a meteor strike thousands of miles away in Russia.

Translucent goo which resembles "something living" was discovered pretty Ham Wall reserve by nature lovers. Theories abound about what the jelly is - from "crystallised brain fungus" to the decomposing remains of a dead frog.

Baffled site manager Steve Hughes said: "Whatever it is, it's very weird."

The unexplained blobs had cropped up all around the reserve.

"This past week we've been finding piles of this translucent jelly dotted around the reserve," he said. "Always on grass banks away from the water's edge.

"They are usually about 10cm (4in) in diameter. We've asked experts what it might be but no one is really sure. Whatever it is, it's very weird."

According to local folklore, the substance appears in the aftermath of meteor showers. Previous manifestations of it date to the 14th century, according to records.

During that period the slime has acquired celestial monikers including "star jelly," "astral jelly," or even "astromyxin".

Royal Society for the Protection of Birds spokesman Tony Whitehead said: "In folklore it is said to be deposited in the wake of meteor showers. It's great that in this day and age that there are still mysteries out there.

"Our reserve team will be looking out for the slime over the next few days but if anyone can offer any explanations we'd be glad to hear."


I'm wondering if this "star jelly" would always appear for meteors not observed in the local area, eh?
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« Reply #110 on: Feb 19th, 2013, 12:50pm »

We get that here often, had it on my hands etc seem natural for wetlands or moors. Will document it next time it appears, not frog remains although similar.
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« Reply #111 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 6:02pm »

Local News Release: Reasoner Goes on Hiatus

There's a lot of people I like to read here, and a lot of voices I miss who used to appear here on Casebook Forums. It's a community, and like any community, the friendliness goes beyond the subject.

But the subject at hand has become frustrating to to me. I've had this collision in my head several times before, but kept it private, walking away for a couple of days to return and start posting.

The crux of it is thus: WHAT IS THE UFO PHENOMENON?

You might say to yourself, it's ET. Or it's time travelers, or interdimensionals. Or you might think it's nothing but hoaxes and stories. Right now, what I'm facing is that I've come to the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon is the mythology. It is the people who "find proof", the people who obfuscate, the people who parse and analyze, the people who holler at the government to disclose the truth while siphoning dollars from the people who desperately believe in the hopes of aliens offering a better life. It's the words, billions of words in print text and on the web, being repeated and refuted and stretched and redacted, hidden in top secret files and on some aeronautic engineer's email to his boss.

For those of you who believe that there is something more to the UFO than blurry pics and atmospheric tricks, I salute you! I too believe this, though what it is, I'm not even remotely certain. For those who just throw their hands in the air saying "there's nothing there!" I sympathize. The echo chamber is as voracious as anything in the political world; and time and again, people fail to see logical fallacies... not in their belief structure, but how they analyze and argue facts and opinions.

And regardless of believer or critic, there are the earnest among us and the deceivers, the kind and the cruel.

I came to this site looking for understanding, and perhaps I did get that. I got to look squarely at the UFO phenomenon and see it for what it is.

What I didn't find, and how could I? was answers to the question 'What are these UFOs?'

The strength of forums and the internet in general is analysis, the ability to dredge up the rarest facts, hear the most remote voices, to have a million minds turning over the evidence. But there is a dearth of actual evidence, and a preponderance of... tales. Stories. Experiences, or facsimiles of experiences. I must reiterate that I do think there's something out there, but as of yet, we don't seem to have the tools or methodology to really grasp it. There is too much noise to signal. I feel myself getting more engrossed in the machinations and personalities of the board specifically, and the phenomenon (as I've stated it) generally.

I'm not gone gone. But I'm pulling a disappearing act. Again. I think I've been fulfilling a lot of my New Years Resolution toward UFOlogy, but the more I dig, the more disillusioned I get. There are some here that I talk to sort of outside the confines of the board, and I won't stop doing that, but I just need some recharge or something. I need to shift my paradigm. Will to power, eh? Will to power, unfortunately, seems to be how many bumble through the phenomenon, wanting toward an actuality.

I tell you what I won't miss. I won't miss getting mad at people's opinions or trying to figure out their intentions in vague posts, people who I normally like that I don't want to be mad at. I won't miss watching people get pissed off at each other because they can't agree on each others' methodologies. I won't miss worrying about the forum becoming either lockstep or insular. I won't miss the disappointment of seeing piece after piece of proffered evidence that turns out to be just more garbage, or windbags who try to instill some vague authority in harumphing casebook members into submission and then make a plug for their book.

I won't miss Steven Greer who will likely NEVER come out with any results of DNA on his "alien baby". I won't miss the crapfest that will be Stephen Bassett's endeavor to "end the truth embargo".

Perhaps it is Bassett that delivered the final nail for me. I had excitedly stumbled across a defunct group called Skywatch International who had among other things tried to recruit a network of skywatchers to coordinate their eyes and cameras. A nice idea, not the first time an attempt at it; but it seemed to me a great idea - people would have a concrete thing to be a part of in gathering evidence for study. Then, during one google for skywatch international, I stumbled upon OpenSecrets.org This is a political watchdog that publicizes donations to politicians and lobbying dollars spent.

Oddly, Stephen Bassett was hired at one time as a lobbying representative for Skywatchers International. But it was odd, they spent zero lobbying dollars. Hmm. He also represented several other groups... Destination Space, Enterprise Mission, Expolitics.com, some sort of Extra Campaign, and Paradigm Research Group (his own pet project from the looks of it.
Here's the link for ease of reference: http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/firmsum.php?id=F15190&year=2008

And here's PRG: http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/

On the contributions section of his site, found on the toggle from this page: http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/main.html
he says the following things that scream to me of malfeasance...
"Contributions
Note: PRG has pursued political resolution of the UFO/ET issue (Disclosure) for 16 years spending over a half million dollars. It has created or supported many initiatives, projects, websites, conferences and organizations seeking to end the UFO/ET truth embargo. While much has been accomplished, there is much to do. At this time an activist philanthropist with the necessary vision and courage could change history with a major contribution to the Disclosure advocacy movement."


and there's this disclaimer at the bottom:
"Important Note: While Paradigm Research Group has acted as a non-profit, it is not set up as a non-profit in order to maximize its range of political advocacy options and diminish its vulnerability. Consequently, direct contributions to PRG are not tax deductible. Contributions from corporations and citizens of any nation are permissible. Should a proposed contribution of substantial size require a tax deduction, please contact PRG for more information."

So this guy, spends half a million dollars that are contributions from the public, but since he's NOT a non-profit, he doesn't have to disclose how he spends that money. Well, he definitely isn't spending it lobbying. I might agree that it would be a waste to lobby the government for disclosure, money best applied elsewhere. But why would he be specifically listed as representing those groups as a lobbyist? Makes one wonder. Makes one disheartened, really. Yet ANOTHER one of THOSE guys. And this is the guy who's gonna make a lot of news copy for UFOlogy this year.

There's a bio for him on UFOWatchDog.com, but forget that... just read the about section on that site. Dispiriting.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/about_us.htm
"About Us
UFO Watchdog was started by R. Myers in approximately 1998 when the Web was a new invention. Myers applied his investigative talents to unmasking many UFO and paranormal frauds such as Jonathan Rutter (Reed) and Sean David Morton. Morton even sued Myers for a million dollars in a libel suit and lost completely. The judge ordered Morton to pay Myers $16,000 in legal fees. Myers also did seminal work on Ed Dames, Kal Korff, Billy Meier, Steven Greer, and many others.

After nearly ten years of investigative work Myers decided to take a hiatus from the world of UFOs. He stated, "Yes, the rumor is true that I am taking an extended (if not permanent) break from the nutty world of UFOs. While there is an endless supply of UFO crackpots and con artists, I simply don't have the time or the inclination to keep up on all of it. I'd rather spend my time out in the sun with my family and friends over a cold one and a bbq. Why waste any time on a field ripe with sheep that continually empowers charlatans and lunatics by embracing with arms open wide any UFO tale for sale or used to indulge someone's deepest, most paranoid fantasy?"

NOTE: ufowatchdog.com has now been archived and is inactive at this time. Please do not contact ufowatchdog.com. Currently, a blog is in place tracking news and developments on alleged investment fraudster Sean David Morton."


So people like The Leviathan Group (that's what he calls himself), they win. I'm not quite sure what they win, spending an undue amount of time spreading their own kind of disinfo amongst the general public to attain some sort of self worth. I would figure going out and enjoying the sunlight and making some flesh and blood friends would be more fruitful, but hey. We all have what makes us happy, right? For me, this aint it. I don't want to become a crank skeptic. I don't want to fall of my rocker and dive in the deep end of belief for the relief of giving in. Maybe just like the questions of God, eternity, the universe, etc... maybe this is just one of those frustratingly unanswerable questions.

I'm going to go join a ghost hunter network. Talk to you folks in awhile.

Good luck. Keep the faith. Be good to each other.
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« Reply #112 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 6:46pm »

The strength of forums and the internet in general is analysis, the ability to dredge up the rarest facts, hear the most remote voices, to have a million minds turning over the evidence.

Well, that's the theory.

Maybe I'll take a month off to let the smoke clear.

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« Reply #113 on: Apr 10th, 2013, 3:18pm »

Here's an article about the psychology of what people want to say to extra terrestrials.

The 9 self-obsessed things Earthlings want to say to aliens
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http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2013/04/09/the-9-things-earthlings-want-to-say-to-aliens/

We’ve all got something we want to say to an extraterrestrial. But with billions of us running around, how could we possibly send out into space all of our individual messages? How could any alien manage to “listen” to them all?

Well, turns out some scientists on Earth have been wondering about that problem and have come up with a method for distilling what humans want to say to extraterrestrials into just a handful of statements.

More on that in a moment.

In the beginning …

“Interest in the stars appears to be a universal human attribute,” said Tim Lower, chair of psychology at the University of Alaska and part of a research team spearheaded by Douglas Vakoch of Earth Speaks at the SETI Institute. Earth Speaks is a website researchers use to gather things we would like to say to or ask aliens.

“Historically, we’ve always looked to the stars for help. Whether from a religious basis or looking to the stars for extraterrestrial intelligence, we do seem to look to the sky for guidance or intervention,” Lower said.

And, what especially interested Lower, he said, can be summed up with a statement from Carl Sagan:

“In a cosmic setting vast and old beyond ordinary human understanding we are a little lonely, and we ponder the ultimate significance, if any, of our tiny but exquisite blue planet, the Earth. The Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is the search for a generally acceptable cosmic context for the human species. In the deepest sense the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is a search for ourselves.”

In other words, explained Lower, what we want to say to aliens is a “massive commentary on what it means to be human.”

Boiling it down …

If you are a psychologist and want to study your fellow humans by understanding what they are projecting into space about themselves (fear or hope or facts about our world), you’ve got the same problem the alien does trying to listen to each human statement.

Lower and other scientists created the website Earth Speaks to first gather these statements and then used an algorithm or computer program to find the common themes and express them with the words most commonly used.

Take for instance one of the nine things the team came up with that humans who submitted statements (from 68 nations) want to say to ET: “Please help.”

For Lower, identifying what it is that people are asking for help for – what we humans are saying we need from each other – is one of the issues at the heart of his discipline.


<the site decided to force us to use their slide show to actually, you know, find out what those 9 things were. You should go to the site though, if for nothing else to view their lower interactive snapshot on the form used in collating the data>

No. 9: We recognize our cultural heritages and the civilizations they produce.
No. 8: Our gods and religions are influential in our lives.
No. 7: We feel alone and we are fearful, primarily of our own propensity for violence.
No. 6: Mathematics and binary expressions.
No. 5: Peace, love, and friendship.
No. 4: Please help.
No. 3: Hello and welcome.
No. 2: You are alien to us, but you have know-how.
No. 1: We are humans of the planet Earth.


I would have asked if they needed any more Reese's Pieces.
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« Reply #114 on: Apr 10th, 2013, 4:14pm »

Hello Reasoner, commenting on your posts (Today & 2-27-13) I have an idea of what you are feeling, I have had a few times in my life, that I was very "into" UFO's and it seems like no matter what you read, what you watch, who you listen to, who you talk with, there are no clear answers or advancements. In fact there is just more of the some old rhetoric, with various people stating their "truths" in opposite directions.

I have taken some major 5-10 year breaks and just went on with my life. Upon my latest return, I have extremely low expectations and along with being overly cynical I am having fun with it and not allowing myself to become frustrated.

So if I may offer some sliver of advice, it is to not take the subject UFO's and the people you meet in the UFO realm too seriously, after all:

It is what it is and what you or I think, do or say is NOT going to change a thing...

peace...
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« Reply #115 on: Apr 10th, 2013, 4:33pm »

Thanks, Mythos.

For someone named Reasoner, I can be a bit too mercurial at times. When I got fed up, I knew I would be back, as I have the interest in the subject. Today's post was interesting, and not meant to intimate people who think about UFOs are crazy or dummies or just looking to fill a hole in their life. Today's post was more in keeping of the thread's original purpose... report what the regular media has to say about UFOs and aliens. Being snarky just is my added bonus.

That being said, go fill out your course curriculum in the other thread! You have until Monday, people! I allow talking in class, so you can at least return my generous courtesy and get those papers onto my desk!
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« Reply #116 on: Apr 10th, 2013, 10:19pm »

To come up with something I would like to say to ET's, I asked myself what would I like to hear them say to me.

What I came up with is:
Greetings. Would you like to meet, and exchange ideas with us on how to proceed..?


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« Reply #117 on: Apr 24th, 2013, 2:28pm »

Alright. I debated where to put this article... a follow-up to the Greer/disclosure/Sirius threads? Or "in the news"? After a bit, I elected to drop this here, because it's a reflection on what the mainstream feels about this subculture.

‘Space alien’ skeleton discovered in Chile is actually a mummified human
By Jimmy Nsubuga, Wednesday 24 Apr 2013 2:19 pm

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/space-alien-skeleton-discovered-in-chile-is-actually-a-mummified-human-3665015/

Those looking for proof extra-terrestrial life forms exist have been dealt a blow after the remains of a ‘space alien’ were actually determined to be those of a human.

The small skeleton, known as Atacama Humanoid, was discovered in the Chilean desert ten years ago and it was initially hoped it could be evidence there was life on another planet.

Oscar Munoz, who made the find, described it as: ‘A strange skeleton, no bigger than 15cm [the size of a pen].

‘It was a creature with hard teeth, a bulging head with an additional odd bulge on top.

‘It’s body was scaly and of dark colour. Unlike humans, it had nine ribs.’

But according to Huffington Post it has now been revealed by documentary Sirius that it is actually a mummified human.

A medical expert from the Basque University in Spain is quoted as saying: ‘It’s a mummified body with all typical characteristics of a foetus.

‘The body displays all the structures and anatomical links normal for the head, trunk and extremities.

‘Taken together, the proportionality of the anatomical structures… [allows us] to interpret beyond doubt, that this is a mummified human foetus.’


My points on this article... It's interesting that the reporter feels that proof of ET life hinged on this "find". It's also telling that he mentions that Huffington Post has exposed it, or interpreted it as exposed, but offered no link! So, the Metro UK doesn't assign their top reporters to cases like this, I guess that's apparent. There's not really much story here at all. We get from him a linkless assertion that someone on Huffington Post claims the movie Sirius claims that this is nothing more than human. I could be mistaken, but I thought from what Dolf said, there was mostly human DNA, but the tests weren't conclusive. Am I accidentally extrapolating?

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My google-fu is currently weak. When I was doing searches yesterday, there was an amazing dearth of opinions and reviews of people who had already seen it. There were one or two CROWING that this proves once and for all, the DNA isn't COMPLETELY human. And I can't find those links. I think it's people with blinders on, personally, but that's not the point. The point is, the media would rather point fingers and laugh, rather than do any kind of in-depth on this. It's odd that the media loves the salaciousness and sexiness of sightings (gets lots of hits and eyeballs to their pages), but could give a damn about anything other than attention grabbing (last minute edit right there). I'm naive to consider otherwise, I know.
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« Reply #118 on: Apr 24th, 2013, 2:38pm »

Looks like a simple case of Garbage In, Garbage Out.
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« Reply #119 on: May 1st, 2013, 1:56pm »

This is about the Glasgow Airport Unknown reported in the News on the first of May, 2013...

Here's the BBC report, surprisingly straight forward.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22365368

But since this topic is already on the main site, and discussed elsewhere - http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1367429348 - I'm just going to leave the comparison of reports for whomever wants to peruse it and drop in on the relevant thread myself.

ADDENDUM: modified in that I saw that this was a report that had been gone over, not a case of just happening and escaping to the news. Conflicting dates... 12/2/2012 or 12/21/2012
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