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« Reply #60 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 5:58pm »

Also, to pre-empt, not fireflies. Sorry. Moonless, cloudless night in suburban California where there are no fireflies.
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« Reply #61 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 6:30pm »

Lol lol you will get a free membership yet into the Looney club, I got mine. I stick to my own rules; if it does not turn a right angle at speed then it’s a balloon or satellite.
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« Reply #62 on: May 29th, 2012, 3:21pm »

It's been awhile since I last posted, and it will be awhile still it seems. This space is reserved for when popular media reports on UFOs, and apart from gather.com offerings, nothing too big has hit the mainstream in some time.

Maybe that's worth noting in and of itself.
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« Reply #63 on: Jun 5th, 2012, 12:56pm »

As per theme, this is an article related to ET discussion from a (relatively) major media source, repeated on a news aggregator. Oddly, it is a "hypothetical" discussion about earth repelling an alien invasion, and what tools the United States might bring to bear.

Battleship Earth
Does the Pentagon have the right weapons to fight off an alien invasion?


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/05/31/battleship_earth

BY CARA PARKS AND JOSHUA E. KEATING | MAY 30, 2012

As summer blockbuster season kicks into high gear, big-budget action movies like The Avengers, Battleship, and Prometheus remind us that there's one thing that unites Americans: Our shared fear of an alien attack. They also remind us that when the invading space fleet arrives, humanity is not going to surrender without a fight to our intergalactic invaders. Instead, we will band together to fight off their incredibly advanced weaponry with our ... well, with what, exactly? Are we really ready to battle our would-be alien overlords?

Luckily, the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, better known as DARPA, as well as some of the world's largest weapons manufacturers, are dreaming up the weapons of the future today. With the help of everything from lasers on jets to hypersonic planes to invisibility cloaks, we just might be able to make the battle for Earth a fair fight. You may think we're joking, but why else would NASA be uploading The Avengers to the International Space Station if not as a training manual? Here's a look at some of the most space-worthy inventions being cooked up now.

HIGH ENERGY LIQUID LASER AREA DEFENSE SYSTEM (HELLADS)

The official title sounds rather subdued, but don't be fooled -- this is an awesome laser beam. Currently in development at DARPA, these advanced lasers are being pursued because of their ability to "harness the speed and power of light to counter multiple threats." Weapons-grade lasers are actually a reality now, but are too big to be of use in an actual fight. DARPA, however, hopes to unveil a 150-kilowatt weapon that's light enough to attach to a fighter jet. Those will come in handy when the first sally of flying saucers emerges from the mothership.

HYPERSONIC AIRCRAFT

As students of the battle of Yavin can attest, sometimes the fate of the universe comes down to a few hotshot fliers. But it's not just piloting skill that will be needed to take down our interspace combatants. We'll need some pretty high-tech jets to repel an alien fleet, and the Falcon HTV-2 sounds just about perfect. Take a moment to appreciate these statistics from DARPA:

Falcon HTV-2 is an unmanned, rocket-launched, maneuverable aircraft that glides through the Earth's atmosphere at incredibly fast speeds-Mach 20 (approximately 13,000 miles per hour). At HTV-2 speeds, flight time between New York City and Los Angeles would be less than 12 minutes. The HTV-2 vehicle is a ‘data truck' with numerous sensors that collect data in an uncertain operating envelope."

Amazing! How did the designers get such an incredible plane to work? Well, they didn't -- not yet, anyway. The most recent test flight, in August of last year, ended when the military lost contact with the plane after 36 minutes. It was later reported that the HTV-2 literally flew out of its skin.

AERO-ADAPTIVE AERO-OPTIC BEAM CONTROL

From studying footage of TIE-fighters and Cylon Raiders, we know that small alien craft may have the upper hand on even our most advanced jets when it comes to maneuverability. So when our flyboys or flygirls have alien fighters bearing down on their six, let's hope they're outfitted with this under-development project from DARPA that aims to "improve the performance of high energy lasers on tactical aircraft against targets" -- such as an incoming missile -- "in the aft field of regard." It might not win the dogfight, but it can buy us enough time for the cavalry to arrive.

DISCROTOR HELICOPTERS

Everyone knows that alien spaceships don't have to clumsily lumber down a runway before takeoff -- they lift off vertically with perfect balance and then propel in whatever direction they choose. Helicopters have the vertical takeoff aspect down, but even the best designs can be foiled by ground landings, as was the stealthy MH-60 Black Hawk helicopter used in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. A Discrotor helicopter is actually a helicopter/airplane blend that can take off and land vertically, but also enter into high-speed flying mode by retracting its rotating blades and relying on fixed wings, allowing it to move like a plane. Will that help against aliens? We certainly hope so.

REDESIGNED NUCLEAR-POWERED SUBMARINES

As Battleship reminds us, there's no guarantee where the attack by space invaders will begin. In case of a sea battle, the U.S. Navy is currently at work on replacements for the Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarine, which will be set to replace the existing ones in 2029. Most of the Ohio submarines carry submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) -- up to 24 per ship -- and form the sea wing of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. The new subs, called the SSBN-X Future Follow-on Submarine, are optimistically projected to cost at least $4.9 billion per boat, although other estimates range as high as $9 billion. That's pricey, especially as skyrocketing defense costs have come under fire during a period of belt-tightening austerity. But hey, if the new subs fend off an extermination attack on the human race, we figure they'll pretty much pay for themselves.

ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE CONTINUOUS TRAIL UNMANNED VESSEL

Anyone who's seen The Abyss or Sphere (OK, very few people actually saw Sphere) knows that the alien menace could just as easily come from below the seas as from outer space. But we will hopefully soon have the ability to track their preparations deep blow the waves with the ACTUV, an independent, unmanned surface ship designed to track even the quietest submarines. When it's ready, the vessels will differ from current unmanned surface ships by having the ability to operate independently on the high seas, rather than being tethered to a surface ship. America will be ready for the age of sea drones. Will the aliens?

EXTREME ACCURACY TASKED ORDNANCE (EXACTO)

Aliens can move extremely quickly, making them hard to shoot. This poses a problem for human snipers, but not for long. DARPA is currently working on the world's first guided bullet, which would have the ability to actually change its path after being fired. A 2009 Time article described the project as "bullets that, once fired at a specific target, fly themselves into it by changing shape." This will come in handy when the invaders enter us as parasites and then silently use our bodies as growth pods before emerging in a spray in blood. Actually, the bullets won't be that helpful in that scenario, but better safe than sorry.

CROSSHAIRS

If it comes to a ground battle, we don't know whether the aliens we'll face will be clumsy prawns or nimble xenomorphs, but with vehicle-mounted CROSSHAIRS detection units, we'll be ready for anything. Equipped with visual and infrared cameras, CROSSHAIRS rigs are designed to "detect, locate, and engage shooters, as well as defeat a variety of threats including bullets, rocket propelled grenades, anti-tank guided missiles, and direct fired mortars, while stationary and moving." The idea is to detect and analyze threats fast enough for either automated systems or troops in the vehicle to respond. Bring it on, slimeballs.

MAGNETO HYDRODYNAMIC EXPLOSIVE MUNITIONS

On the ground, soldiers will have an edge on their little green opponents if they can get their hands on these bullets, which conveniently share a name with X-Men superhero Magneto and are known by the more blockbuster-friendly acronym MAHEM. (What lucky engineer gets to dream up these names?) The bullets use "compressed magnetic flux generator (CMFG)-driven magneto hydrodynamically formed metal jets." DARPA is purposefully vague about what exactly this means, but it would seem to involve using a magnetic field to push molten metal into its target.

ADAPTIV ARMOR

The aliens may, like the eponymous Predator, have evolved the ability to see in infrared. Not a problem, thanks to BAE Systems' pixilated armor system. ADAPTIV armor works by covering a vehicle with sheets of hexagonal "pixels" that can rapidly change temperature. Onboard thermal cameras capture the background and change the vehicle's heat signature to make it undetectable by infrared scopes. It will even be able to mimic the heat signatures of other vehicles for subterfuge purposes. Of course, if you don't have access to an ADAPTIV-equipped military vehicle, you can always just cover yourself with mud like Arnold does in the movie.

SPACE-BASED INFRARED SYSTEM

When you're fighting extraterrestrial marauders, the battlefield is truly global. These days, SBIRS is best known for delays and cost overruns, but we're going to be glad we spent those billions when the alien missiles start flying. SBIRS, contracted to Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, will consist of a series of satellites in both elliptical and geosynchronous orbits as well as on-the-ground data processing centers to detect missile launches or nuclear detonations anywhere on earth. The first dedicated SBIRS satellite was launched in 2011, but hopefully we'll have the rest of the system up and running before Loki opens the portal to the Underworld.


So what is the point of this piece? Jingoism? Calming factor for a panicky public? A hint of things to come? As some have noted, elements of the United States have deemed it necessary to downplay or marginalize all things UFO; but this article seems to serve some sort of corollary purpose... even if there were aliens, we could blow them away. USA! USA!
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« Reply #64 on: Jun 5th, 2012, 11:29pm »

Reasoner, I finally decided to make a solid entry into this thread. I liked the way you presented this in your initial post, but you pretty much covered the bases. People don't stop to think much these days, and will almost always fail where historical perspective is concerned. Your comment about creationists and science really applies here. The Bible is a very old set of writings, and the science of opposition mentioned in it is not the science of today. The vast majority of what was considered science back then was Alchemy and Astrology. Does the idea of somebody winning a Nobel Prize for one of those strike you ............. ? Well, I think you get the idea.

My favorite part was how you addressed skeptics though. I prefer objective thinker these days, as skeptic has become heavily tainted with a debunker stigma as you so eloquently pointed out. I have always enjoyed playing Devil's Advocate simply to get discussion moving on something, even if I totally disagree with the position I have to take. The idea is that another possibility exists, is it not? I had a professor once who really impressed me on this point. This was a course in Systems Analysis, and he was trying hard to make this point because the concept is so important to the discipline. After every test and exam, we would correct the papers, then discuss each question one at a time. If you could get up and make your case in an acceptable manner for the ones you got wrong, he would write a new, or another right answer in his book. The point was not whether or not something was actually right or wrong, rather it was that there is almost always more than one correct way to solve a problem. A great way for one to teach, and a great philosophy for life as well. I really respected that guy. What seemed to make him the happiest was when one of his students figured out something he had not been able to. Very rare among teachers in my experience, but this should be their goal. Teach their students to think, not memorize.

This thread has had some solid input at this point. And since I recently allowed one of those fake documentaries to get so far under my skin, which I try to make a rule of never allowing to happen, I thought it would be good to add some input here to back you up. I like the way you think in this manner. And think is what we all get caught not doing sooner or later. Like happened to me when I cut loose about that show. I forgot that humility is usually the most important part of things.

It might explain my thinking a little too? At times what I post is not what I believe. If I feel a little too definite of a position has been taken, one can pretty much expect me to present a completely oppositional post. All I'm trying to do is get rid of some individual(s) ways, and get their thinking involved once again. Maybe this is a good spot to address your point about science? I agree with you fully. It is not supposed to be a belief system. But all too often when some scientist addresses someone or something they disagree with, they reveal that it has become exactly that to them. Basically a religion. Time for that person to take a vacation, is it not? I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all get nailed by the human condition at times. I know that I definitely have this failing. There may always be more than one right answer, but I also realize that there are always many wrong ones. And where social issues are involved I can get very carried away regarding the self righteous. Who are inevitably wrong. As if you hadn't noticed this about me already? grin

Good job on getting people to think here though. You've lived up to your nick quite well, and I like the responses you've invoked. Maybe we should send you to visit those scientists who eventually become convinced they know everything, forgetting the prime directive of their profession in the process? I'm thinking about the thread Skizicks started about that scientist who decided to review Ancient Aliens here. I wonder if they put him in a rubber room yet? Somebody needs to reopen his mind for him. May I recommend you for the job? I think you might be able to do so. But I could not most likely. I would wind up debating him. Probably for no reason other than having some fun. By the way, I was captain of my debate team in high school one year, so that may just be second nature.

Imagine how many advances we could make if we could get those folks going like they did fresh out of college though. One of life's cruelest tricks is that it tends to make so many people quit thinking when they get older. At the precise time when scientists should be making their greatest discoveries, many of them become set in their ways and quit thinking. I managed to avoid this trap my entire life, but I can feel it getting a slight grip on me now that I've become sick. Is it isolation which brings this on? I know that if you want some private time, pretend you've become chronically ill. You will be lonely within a month. This I have discovered. (guess I'm going to have to move to better weather so I can get out more)

But thinking. You're so right. I should have read your original threads more carefully the first time. I thought I had, so maybe they just made a deeper impact after I broke one of my primary rules a week or so back. At any rate, thanks, I needed this. Think ............ and remember that there is always a set of parameters that will make that thinking mean something.

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« Reply #65 on: Jun 6th, 2012, 09:39am »

Dear Tim:

You are on a tear today! I've been browsing various updated posts, noting that you're in a lot of them, and you, sir, are on fire. I did not know you had been a debater, but just in that last post, the sheer eloquence...

I'm humbled. I wish I could string my thoughts to words as sharply as you did in that last post. And I am also very pleased that I could move you in some way.

I do hope your circumstance-enforced solitude gives way so you can get out and enjoy the world at large more. I feel myself to be an ingrate that I don't do it enough myself.

In terms of critical thinking, I just wish more people were familiar with it. Why isn't this skill taught more in K through 12? The earlier it can be taught, the better. I see more critical analysis done here than anywhere else on the web. I think that is a great thing for this site, and it's a reason I continue to peruse it, besides the fact that I love the subject matter itself. I just wish there wasn't such a dearth of it everywhere else.

So thank you once again, and I hope that I am able to raise useful questions to anyone reading my posts. I know sometimes I just post what's going on in the news, but I usually wonder why a sighting was covered and in the way it was covered. Sometimes, when you mull a report over, it can be just as interesting what is NOT said than what is.
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« Reply #66 on: Jun 6th, 2012, 3:09pm »

Reasoner, the news media is suffering from the same financial issues as everybody else. A lot of them only require their reporters to verify facts by phone these days. I do not know for certain that this is what's causing the issue, but the House That Murrow Built seems an ancient memory these days, does it not? And every last one of them, with the possible exception of the Christian Science Monitor throws a company set spin on every story. In my opinion even the Monitor is a shadow of its former quality these days.

And I hear what you're saying. They print something of interest which sounds suspiciously like a quick phone tip, and that's it many times. No follow up with a better researched story or anything. Not only that, but they also have taken to stirring up scares. Like all those dead birds from the sky stories for example. Then they drop it just like that. Nothing more ever. And I will only write this one sentence regarding that blown out of proportion thing in Florida.

Does this make you wonder exactly how much we can trust the media anymore? I'm thinking that their only concern is profits these days, and they see shock value as the best way to make them. Sadly, that may be proven fact considering human nature.

Teach any kind of thinking in K through 12? I doubt there is much of that going on. I know most schools don't seem to require it of their students. Do any of them even hold kids back a grade anymore when their grades aren't up to par? I haven't heard of this happening in a long time. But I agree with your point about objective/skeptical thinking. People need to learn how this is done again. Right now we're what you might basically call a gossip driven nation. People are willing to believe anything it seems. Try getting arrested for something. Automatically guilty it seems. I could tell you a story about a nasty (fake) ticket my wife got, but I will refrain. It cost $2,500 in attorney fees to make it go away, but despite the fact the case was dropped, it's still on her record. Not even the courts require much proof from the prosecution these days it seems.

I think I'll stop before I get intense about this one. It bothers me about the way people automatically think something is true simply because they read it somewhere too. Or heard it from what they consider a good source. In many cases they would have a good laugh, if only they stopped to think. Even a little bit.

By the way, thanks for the compliment, but I can hardly claim to be on a tear when it was you who laid this thing out so well. Have you ever considered writing? You definitely have a knack for getting all angles of things. Which only goes to show you do what you're preaching here. Think. There might be a possible answer for your question about the media in this area as well?

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« Reply #67 on: Jun 26th, 2012, 5:52pm »

I have to admit to being a bit of a noob. I was caught flat-footed, and I made decisions that have me second-guessing myself.

On Saturday 6/24/12 at around 5pm, I spotted something I can only call a UAP. I did have my cellphone on me, but because of the following circumstances, I didn't take any photos or video shots. I haven't posted this on NUFORC or anything. I don't know. I don't know what I saw, but I just feel it's likely a mundane phenomenon or object, but because of my vantage, I couldn't figure out what I was seeing. Details in red.

So I'm driving up the freeway on the way back to my place after entertaining my young son with a trip to the park and pizza. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there was a baseball game at the stadium due north of me. Traffic was particularly snarled, more so than what is usual on a Saturday afternoon.

As the freeway slightly bends, offering me a different view of the skyline, I note something up above the horizon. Though it was still very bright out, and the object had a hazy dark look, my first thought was there was a blimp out. It was large-ish (or I assumed it was), too large for a plane or helicopter, but I couldn't look too clearly at it, as I was driving. Whenever traffic came to a stop, I would study it. It looked... well, like a blob. It wasn't at all distinct. And it undulated. It reminded me of a great big black horizontal flag spread out (or some other vast cloth surface), just waving slow and vast in the breeze. What I WANTED to do was to drive closer to it, to get out and take pictures of it. But I was driving my son to the ice cream parlor, and getting closer would have been a chore anyways with the state of the traffic.

Still, a big part of me wishes I had given in to pulling over on the side of the road and snapping a couple of cell phone pics and recording a little bit of it. I think in my heart, I was too self-conscious to do this, the one guy at the side of the road taking pictures of what may have turned out to be a prop plane pulling a long sky banner that said VOTE SANDUSKY or EAT AT JOES or whatever.

Unfortunately, the memory of it still niggles. An opportunity for a lesson was missed, and I'm left wondering what the heck I saw. I cruised the internet later that night and in the days since, looking for some bay area report of onlookers mistaking a plane/blimp/chopper for a UFO, but I have seen nothing.

Sigh. Just another hearsay testimonial.
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« Reply #68 on: Jun 26th, 2012, 5:56pm »

Though it was relatively low on the horizon, it seemed much too high to be some sort of ground-tethered balloon or flag or any other such object. It was definitely something in the sky, and it was in a specific location that stayed in relative position in the sky. My differing vantage points as I continued up north offered the same vague image... so it wasn't one of those aerial mirages because of an atmospheric convection. My current theory is slow-moving prop plane with banner in tow that was heading due south, so I was sort of looking at it dead on.
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« Reply #69 on: Jun 26th, 2012, 8:24pm »

on Jun 26th, 2012, 5:52pm, Reasoner wrote:
I have to admit to being a bit of a noob. I was caught flat-footed, and I made decisions that have me second-guessing myself.

On Saturday 6/24/12 at around 5pm, I spotted something I can only call a UAP. I did have my cellphone on me, but because of the following circumstances, I didn't take any photos or video shots. I haven't posted this on NUFORC or anything. I don't know. I don't know what I saw, but I just feel it's likely a mundane phenomenon or object, but because of my vantage, I couldn't figure out what I was seeing. Details in red.

So I'm driving up the freeway on the way back to my place after entertaining my young son with a trip to the park and pizza. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there was a baseball game at the stadium due north of me. Traffic was particularly snarled, more so than what is usual on a Saturday afternoon.

As the freeway slightly bends, offering me a different view of the skyline, I note something up above the horizon. Though it was still very bright out, and the object had a hazy dark look, my first thought was there was a blimp out. It was large-ish (or I assumed it was), too large for a plane or helicopter, but I couldn't look too clearly at it, as I was driving. Whenever traffic came to a stop, I would study it. It looked... well, like a blob. It wasn't at all distinct. And it undulated. It reminded me of a great big black horizontal flag spread out (or some other vast cloth surface), just waving slow and vast in the breeze. What I WANTED to do was to drive closer to it, to get out and take pictures of it. But I was driving my son to the ice cream parlor, and getting closer would have been a chore anyways with the state of the traffic.

Still, a big part of me wishes I had given in to pulling over on the side of the road and snapping a couple of cell phone pics and recording a little bit of it. I think in my heart, I was too self-conscious to do this, the one guy at the side of the road taking pictures of what may have turned out to be a prop plane pulling a long sky banner that said VOTE SANDUSKY or EAT AT JOES or whatever.

Unfortunately, the memory of it still niggles. An opportunity for a lesson was missed, and I'm left wondering what the heck I saw. I cruised the internet later that night and in the days since, looking for some bay area report of onlookers mistaking a plane/blimp/chopper for a UFO, but I have seen nothing.

Sigh. Just another hearsay testimonial.

Hi Reasoner smiley,

I had a quick look and here’s what Google shows as the baseball fields in the area:

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Also I noticed a blimp company operating in the area:

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Which was also in the air on the 24th June:

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Well, it’s really a Zeppelin, the following is from their about me page:

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Our Zeppelin, Eureka, is a pretty big deal, literally! At 246-feet long, she stretches 15-feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50-feet longer than the largest commercial blimps flying today. More impressive than her size is the experience of taking a flight!

Source: http://www.airshipventures.com/about

On the 24th it was operating out of Oakland:

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Which at least puts it in the vicinity:

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Also the weather allowed for mid-to-high visibility:

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Source: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFO/2012/6/24/DailyHistory.html

However the lighting –amongst other things- would have to be just right as even operating at the edge of the field of vision I don’t know if the Zeppelin would appear black:

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They operate 1 & 2 hour flights for what appears to be most of the day so there’s a pretty good chance it was in the air at the time of your sighting. Having said that you know the geography of the area better than I do and so you’re in a better position to decide whether or not this is a possibility.

Still, something to consider perhaps?


Sounds like an interesting sighting all the same!!


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« Reply #70 on: Jun 27th, 2012, 5:09pm »

Hey, Doc.

I reviewed your screenshots and grabs and stuff, and since I live in that area and you rightly pinpointed that I was traveling up toward Oakland, and since there indeed was a game in that area, that the possibility of a blimp also being in the area is extremely likely. And I do very much consider that what I say may have been a blimp.

However, I want to pose my suspicions to you, so you might consider why I would go through the trouble of writing about a possible blimp sighting.

1) I've seen blimps. And I don't mean just seen them... I've been around them all my life. For awhile, they were parked at Moffett Field which is pretty much in the center of Silicon Valley. Every day, I see these things puttering around. I've seen them when they are directly overhead, and I've seen them when they are approaching from great distances. I have literally seen a blimp at some point in the day over twenty times in the last month. They are very active here. Possibly this is a breeding ground for them, or perhaps their food source is plentiful in the bay area... grin

2) The newer ones are white, and the older ones are silver. On rare occasions, they might reflect a little light off them as to appear like a bit of a bright light, but otherwise, you just see white or silver blimp. I've never seen a blimp look "dark" against a clear blue sky. And as this day was very clear with few clouds in the sky (at that point in the day anyways), I don't see how the blimp would appear in shadow. The sun wasn't behind the object; and from it's place in the sky, there wasn't any kind of terrain between it and the sun.

3) I've never seen a blimp shimmer or otherwise lose its definition of shape.

4) I ALSO have seen a prop plane that carries a banner that is local to my area. I've seen this plane on five or six occasions. I know what he looks like, and I know relatively what it looks like when the banner flies behind him. With time, both these vehicles can be seen to be moving, albeit more slowly than regular aircraft that are seen all the time in the bay area. The object didn't seem to change location. My observations were intermittent though.

Having made these points, I'm not ruling out the blimp. I'm just pointing out why I didn't find it likely that it was a blimp. Perhaps the blimp was at the right distance away, and perhaps there was some sort of atmospheric effect at play that viewing it from my vantage would distort the object. It was warm that day, and the heat rising from the ground level through the atmosphere would be a likely culprit for distorting the view of the blimp. But if so, that was some serious distortion.

Really, my ideal scenario from posting this is that someone else from the bay area would chime in and say, "Oh yeah, I saw that thing, and as I kept heading up 880, it became clear that it was only a stray Russian Mig, lost and lonely looking for its mother." or some similar comment.

Observing things intermittently and at distance is fraught with potential for misidentification. Heck, just earlier that very day, I saw a bizarre piping system that was painted red and off to the side of the road, that when I saw it peripherally, I mistook it for a woman standing on the side of the road dressed in red. Our brains fill in details very quickly when we spot things at a glance, and the less information we have, the more creative these visions can get. In this case, though, I did get a couple of opportunities to just look up directly at the thing, and all my brain could tell me is... Sorry, bub. I dunno. Brain shrug is not painful, just unpleasant.
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« Reply #71 on: Jun 27th, 2012, 5:50pm »

Upon recollection, I do remember the sky had clouds at a particular area in the sky, though directly in my vicinity, it was very clear and cloud-free. From the distance that the object was, judging it to be blimp size, I don't see how clouds, if they were off to my left (to my west), would be able to shadow just that object and not other parts of the terrain...

But if there was a distortion so that I was seeing an object (such as a blimp) from a greater distance back, but somehow it looked larger than normal... perhaps clouds could have affected an object that was actually further back than I perceived it, and that the clouds were farther from my perspective... I dunno. I dunno. Stuff. I will be the first to admit that I think there's a mundane explanation, I just can't seem to figure out what it is.
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« Reply #72 on: Jun 28th, 2012, 8:32pm »

OK, people. Sorry for the foray into personal UAP experience (like I said, of a likely mundane object)... back to the main purpose of the thread - how the media presents UFO news.

Haven't browsed the forums lately in any detail, so likely this is a repeat from some other thread... but National Geographic conducted a survey on the American public's views on UFOs.

UFOs Exist, Say 36 Percent in National Geographic Survey

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ufos-exist-americans-national-geographic-survey/story?id=16661311#.T-z887We5yU

By ALON HARISH
June 27, 2012


If you believe in UFOs, you may be in better company than you think.

Thirty-six percent of Americans, about 80 million people, believe UFOs exist, and a tenth believe they have spotted one, a new National Geographic poll shows.

Seventeen percent said they did not believe in UFOs, or Unidentified Flying Objects, and nearly half of those surveyed said they were unsure. Perhaps reflective of today's political climate, there appears to be near-universal skepticism of government — nearly four-fifths of respondents said they believe the government has concealed information about UFOs from the public.

The study, commissioned in anticipation of National Geographic Channel's "Chasing UFOs" series premiering Friday night, was not all serious, said Brad Dancer, National Geographic's senior vice president for audience and business development. Respondents were asked whether President Barack Obama or Republican challenger Mitt Romney would handle an alien invasion better (Obama won 65 percent in that contest) and which superhero they would call in to fight off the attack (the Hulk beat out Batman and Spider-Man).

"We were trying to have a little fun and see if pop culture references have had an impact on people's beliefs," Dancer said. "It's intended as a fun survey of public opinion."

Hollywood, he added, may have contributed to the belief — held by 55 percent of Americans, according to the study — that Men in Black-style agents threaten people who report UFO sightings. As movies portraying aliens become increasingly convincing, they may subconsciously affect people's attitudes, he said.

A growing number of Americans have come to believe that Earth is not the only planet in the universe hosting life, he said. The study showed that 77 percent of Americans believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth.

While the study may be used as ammunition by the vocal minority of UFO enthusiasts, Dancer said that it leaves open the precise definition of the term UFO.

"UFO doesn't necessarily mean alien spacecraft," he said. "There are things that are unexplained. They're interesting because they're unknown. People love a mystery."

The study, conducted by the polling firm Kelton Research, found that more Americans believe "The X-Files" best represented what would happen if aliens invaded Earth than any other movie.

The study, in which a random sample of 1,114 Americans 18 and over was surveyed, also asked what respondents would do if aliens visited Earth. Nearly a quarter said they would try to befriend the extraterrestrials, 13 percent said they would lock themselves indoors, and just one in 20 said they would "try to inflict bodily harm."

Those numbers did not surprise longtime UFO investigator David MacDonald, director of the non-profit Mutual UFO Network, who said the idea of contact with extraterrestrials has become commonplace in the last few decades.

"We have grown up with 'Star Trek,' 'Star Wars' and 'Battlestar Galactica,'" MacDonald said. "We're at the point where we'd say 'What planet are you from? Oh well, let's have a beer.'"


My points:

- all of these news reports on this study state the same thing... a percentage of the public believes UFOs exist. I guess they are speaking to the lay person? That the lay person automatically equates UFO with alien saucer? Of course UFOs exist, by definition. But whatever. Same old news, eh?

- There are three additional videos on the site, which I will attempt to link into this post (but may not work, so you can always view them from the top link for the news story). I don't have audio up, being at work, but I can see that these videos are of explainable phenomena... the (possibly disinfo) flare drop in Texas, the buzz from the military aircraft that looked like a saucer being towed across the roadways, and the camera drone above a Russian protest. Did they choose these videos to add to the article because they were recent and newsworthy? Or as a further suggestion that all phenomena are explainable?

- The news (and survey itself) really seems to be a commercial for an upcoming TV show. Did you expect anything different?

- Other hard-hitting survey questions were about which possible president (Obama or Romney) would be better suited to repelling an alien invasion. If you can't tell by now, the UFO phenomenon is consistently marginalized by the media, sensationalized only for revenue's sake.

<addendum: video were flash media, wasn't able to embed>
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« Reply #73 on: Jun 28th, 2012, 8:36pm »

Interestingly, though this was reported on ABC news site, it was written by Alon Harish, and the bio I dug up on him is as follows:
Alon serves on the editorial board of the Yale Daily News, for which he has covered New Haven and Connecticut politics for two years. Over the past two summers, he has worked in New Haven City Hall and New York City’s Legal Aid Society, a public defender agency. Harboring deep-seated interests and ideals about American law and politics, Alon plans to attend law school upon graduating from Yale.

Can't tell when he graduated (or if he's still at Yale), but he has several articles for ABC news already.
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I guess the Daily Mail is a big enough news outlet (though they are a bit sensationalist). What do you all think?

'It was a craft that did not come from this planet': CIA agent speaks out on 65th anniversary of Roswell 'UFO' landings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170831/Roswell-UFO-landing-CIA-agent-Chase-Brandon-speaks-65th-anniversary.html#ixzz20GFXouWe

By ROB WAUGH
PUBLISHED: 03:48 EST, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 07:11 EST, 9 July 2012


A long-serving CIA agent has spoken out on the 65th anniversary of the Roswell Incident to reveal a hidden CIA file on the 'UFO' that was supposedly found at the site - and says, 'It really happened.'

Conspiracy theorists believe that alien bodies from the crashed 'disc' were autopsied - and that modern technologies have been built on discoveries from inside the craft.

Chase Brandon, an agent who served 25 years with the agency, said that the information is concealed in a hidden vault within the agency's Langley headquarters.
'It was in a vaulted area - there was one box that really caught my eye. It had one word on it: Roswell. I rummaged inside it, put the box on the shelf and said, "My God, it really happened."

'It was not a weather balloon - it was what people first reported,' says Chase Brandon, a CIA agent who served 35 years with the agency. 'It was a craft that did not come from this planet.'

Brandon spoke out on the 65th anniversary of the Roswell incident - and claims to have seen direct evidence of the 'alien' visitation in a high-security area of the CIA's Langley headquarters.

For twenty-five years Brandon served in the Agency’s elite Clandestine Service as an undercover, covert operations officer carrying out foreign assignments involving international terrorism, counterinsurgency, global narcotics trafficking and weapons smuggling.
When the Roswell incident occurred, military authorities issued a press release, which began: ‘The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc.’

Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and claimed the object they'd first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

Amazingly, the media and the public accepted the explanation without question.

Now agents such as Brandon are once again calling into question the 'official' line on the incident.

Brandon, a covert operations officer who served with the Agency for 25 years, worked in counterinsurgency and weapons smuggling, but also liased with the entertainment industries.

He is the author of several books. He says he will not reveal exactly what lay within the box that 'erased' his doubts about the Roswell incident.

‘Some written material and some photographs, and that's all I will ever say to anybody about the contents of that box,’ he told the Huffington Post.

‘But it absolutely, for me, was the single validating moment that everything I had believed, and knew that so many other people believed had happened, truly was what occurred.'

Earlier publicly released documents appear to back up Brandon's story - or at least the idea that American authorities covered up involvement with aliens.

One memo that appears to prove that New Mexico prior to 1950 has been published by the FBI.

The bureau has made thousands of files available in a new online resource called The Vault.

Among them is a memo to the director from Guy Hottel, the special agent in charge of the Washington field office in 1950.

In the memo, whose subject line is 'Flying Saucers', Agent Hottel reveals that an Air Force investigator had stated that 'three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico'.

The investigator gave the information to a special agent, he said. The FBI has censored both the agent and the investigator's identity.

Agent Hottel went on to write: 'They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter.

'Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall,' he stated.

The bodies were 'dressed in a metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.'


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THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE? OTHER ROSWELL STAFF WHO CLAIM THERE WAS A 'COVER-UP'

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947, and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died in 2006, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

The text asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story, and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar. He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, Gen Roger Ramey. Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material.

He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen.

Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterwards military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred.


My only comment thus far (from having to reformat) is that the Daily Mail considers a sentence to constitute a paragraph. Must be the web tongue
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