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« Reply #10050 on: Feb 12th, 2014, 10:03am »

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Paris Investigation: Tensions Grow over Murder of Kurdish Activists

By Jörg Diehl, Özlem Gezer and Fidelius Schmid
February 12, 2014 – 01:12 PM

The triple murders in January 2014 of Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) activists in Paris may ultimately emerge as one of the most audacious political killings to take place in Western Europe in years. New suspicions -- although they are still only that -- suggest there may be Turkish intelligence links to the slayings, a development that, if proven, could have serious repercussions for relations between Ankara and Europe. The case has numerous links to Germany, and officials here are closely monitoring the investigation as it unfolds in France.

At the center of the explosive new details is a recording -- a purported conversation between Ömer Güney, the man accused of murdering the three female activists, and what are alleged to be two members of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (MIT). The recording was posted on the Internet on Jan. 12, ostensibly by a friend of Güney, who has since been charged by French prosecutors in the killing. Güney, who lived in Bavaria in Southern Germany from 2003 to 2011, had left the recording with the friend in case something happened to him.

The recording is 10 minutes long and includes what are purported to be details about the planned killings. "Are you thinking of using gloves?" a suspected MIT agent asks. "Yes," the alleged shooter answers. "No traces on the gun."

In the recording, the men discuss the fact that the killer needs two guns in case one of them fails. And that he wants to purchase his weapons and ammunition from an Arab in Belgium, but hasn't done so yet. Also that he has already had one opportunity to strike.

They talk about escape routes and about the possible risks. "Can they follow the trail of who obtained it?" one of the alleged officers asks. "No, it'll be in a blank package," the suspected hit man ensures. "Let's talk again. Let's review your plan," the men warn. "May God protect us from the smallest mistake, because you're important to us. The others aren't."

Were Killings a Hit Job?

Together with other circumstantial evidence, the recording is fueling the suspicion currently being pursued by French investigators. It is one that has also unsettled German security agencies. They suspect that Güney may have murdered the three PKK activists in a hit ordered by Turkey's MIT. The PKK is banned in the European Union as a terrorist organization.

The main piece of evidence supporting the theory is a document allegedly originating from MIT. The document discusses one of the three female activists being "rendered ineffective."

Is it possible that a country that wants to become a member of the EU allowed a contract killing to be conducted on EU territory?

Of course, it is still only a suspicion. But if proven, it could have dramatic consequences -- not only on the ties Germany and France have with Turkey, but between all of Europe and Ankara. The domestic political situation in Turkey is already fragile, and the developments could place even greater pressure on beleaguered Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Intelligence chief Hakan Fidan is a close confidant of the Turkish leader.

It also has the potential to trigger violent clashes in countries outside Turkey that are home to large Kurdish populations, including Germany. Security authorities in German will be observing the outcome of the investigations with great interest.

A year has passed since PKK activists Sakine Cansiz, Fidan Dogan and Leyla Söylemez were murdered in a Kurdish information office near the Gare du Nord train station in Paris. They were killed with shots fired into their heads and stomachs from a 7.65 millimeter caliber pistol equipped with a silencer. Video camera footage shows Güney arriving at 11:30 a.m. in a car together with Cansiz in front of the office before disappearing again. At 12:11 p.m., he can be seen again. According to French media reports, the conversation that the three PKK activists were holding in the office ended abruptly at 12:43 p.m. At 12:56 p.m., Güney left the site. Gun powder traces were later detected on the bag he was carrying when he left.

Investigators Had Doubts Early On

Police arrested Güney a short time later -- and discovered traces of blood on his shoes as well as the DNA of one of the victims on his jacket. Given the evidence, he has emerged as the prime suspect in the murder investigation. A rumor spread quickly of a feud among PKK members that ended in the death of the three women. But investigators soon began to question that version of events.

After around eight years of living in Germany, in November 2011, Güney had offered his assistance as a fellow sympathizer to the Kurds in Villiers-le-Bel, a Paris suburb. He helped out as a translator and driver at the Kurdish cultural center there.

Yet during his time in Schliersee southeast of Munich, Güney had never attracted the attention of German authorities as a member of the Kurdish movement. On the contrary. They believed he had greater sympathies for Turkish nationalist circles. Friends have confirmed as much and say it is extremely unlikely he was a member of the PKK.

French investigators found other contradictions as well. Güney, for example, abandoned a part-time job, allegedly due to epileptic fits. Although he was then forced to live on around €900 ($1,228) in monthly welfare payments, investigators found dozens of suits at his home. They also discovered that he had taken at least nine trips to Turkey and stayed in expensive hotels.

According to an application for legal assistance from France, Güney entered Turkey for the last time on Dec. 25, 2012. During his stay, he telephoned with certain numbers particularly often, numbers that he began dialling again in the period shortly before the attack. He apparently used three different mobile phone numbers, two French ones and a Turkish number. Conspicuously, however, one of the French numbers was used for calls to a single Turkish number.

The analysis of one of his mobile phones also revealed that on the night of Jan. 7, 2013 -- one day prior to the attack -- more than 300 membership applications from the Villiers-le-Bel cultural centers were photographed. The data was sent out, and then deleted. Güney, who denies responsibility for the murder, offered a simple explanation to Paris Public Prosecutor Jeanne Duyé and her investigators: He said he is a member of the PKK and photographed the files because the PKK was concerned that a police raid was imminent and the files were to be destroyed. He told the skeptical investigators that he was just "following orders." From whom, they wanted to know. "From superiors," came the response.

One year after the murder, on Jan. 12, alleged recordings from Güney's conversation with the two suspected agents appeared in a blog. The URL ended in ".de", but the site is apparently operated from Turkey. According to the French media, investigators are certain that it is Güney's voice on the recordings, a claim that Güney himself denies. A forensic analysis is pending.

A New Explosive Document

Only two days later, a further, potentially explosive document appeared on the web. The note, which allegedly comes from the Turkish intelligence service MIT, is labeled "secret." It was composed on Nov. 18, 2012 and carries the heading "Sara Sakine Cansiz." And it may be nothing less than the order that resulted in the liquidation of the well-known PKK activist.

In the document, an agent with the alias "Legionnaire" is tasked with the "rendering ineffective" of high-ranking members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party.

During his most recent stay in Turkey, the assassin was instructed to make preparations to undertake as "attack … against the organization targets in Europe." He was given €6,000 in payment.

According to the document, the agent spied on the victim's apartment and researched her social contacts. The alleged MIT note says that the agent could be used "to render ineffective the mentioned member of the organization." In addition, it says that plans existed "to instruct" the source "for a move against Sakine Cansiz, codenamed Sara, by means of the formerly designated coded statements."

It cannot be excluded that the paper is a forgery, but French investigators don't believe that to be the case. Germany security personnel have likewise examined the document.

They say that the language used in the document as well as the watermark it bears both testify to its authenticity. The names listed on the document are all members of the Turkish secret services and are in fact entrusted with issues relating to the PKK. Among them is a department head who German officials know personally: Not long ago, secret service officer Ugur Kaan A. visited Germany with a delegation from Ankara.

German Inteligence Officials Alarmed

What makes German authorities wary, however, are handwritten notes on the document. They consider such notes to be "rather unusual." Still, there are plenty of indications that it is real. "If it is a forgery, it is extremely well done," says one high-ranking official. "Plenty of insider knowledge" would be necessary to fake such a document. The Turkish government declined to respond to inquiries.

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« Reply #10051 on: Feb 12th, 2014, 10:33am »

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« Reply #10052 on: Feb 12th, 2014, 9:23pm »

106 mile per hour winds tearing at Britain and the River Thames is flooding.

There are power and transportation problems.

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INDEED~STAY SAFE~STAY WARM~STAY INSIDE...

YA GETTIN TO THINK BRITON WEATHER IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE THAT MOVIE..."THE AVENGERS"...WHERE SOMEONE HAS WEAPONIZED THE WEATHER...NAH...THEY SIGNED A TREATY NOT TO DO SUCH...NO SUCH THING rolleyes
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« Reply #10054 on: Feb 13th, 2014, 02:15am »

We have bred a nation of wimps here in the UK crying about a bit of weather, I watched one woman on the news giving her sad story of how she is suffering but if you took time to actually look at her you would see it was B/S, SHE HAD HER NAILS, MAKEUP, HAIR CLOTHES ALL PERFECT AS THOUGH SHE WAS GOING TO A MODEL SHOOT. ALSO LOOK AT THE AREAS SUFFERING, MOST HAVE JETTYS WITH BOATS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GARDEN. THEY DO NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF SUFFERING AS WE ARE SEEING IN OTHER COUNTRIES. Rant over or nearly, come a few months from now they will all be kicking off stamping their little feet because the council will have implemented hose pipe bans due to water shortage. you will also notice not a mention of those genuinely suffering such as the homeless coughing their lungs up in the cold and wet , what it comes down to is not loss of life but loss of life style and monetary gain and those not in the loop will go on suffering as usual all year long. Selfish greedy wimps are my only thoughts on this middle class HYPED B/S.
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ABC News

Those Glowing Lights in Arizona Are UFO Conference

by Ben Waldron
12 February 2014

Nearly 2,500 people will descend on an Arizona town over the next five days for a conference that’s expected to be out-of-this-world.

The 23rd annual International UFO conference kicks off today in Fountain Hills, Ariz. Over the next several days, legions of researchers, scientists, and other UFO-obsessed people will assemble to discuss topics ranging from crop circles and intergalactic travel to abductions and government coverups.

Several academics, authors, journalists and filmmakers are slated to speak. In addition, the conference will feature cocktail parties, a night vision skywatch, and a UFO film festival

“It’s not just a bunch of crazy tin foil hat-wearing people,” conference organizer Maureen Elsberry told ABC News. “Thousands of people report UFO sightings every year. Whether they are extraterrestrial or not, there is something globally to this phenomenon. It’s definitely a phenomenon worth talking about.”

Elsberry said lots of academics and scientists are attending the conference. ”We even have a former astrobiologist from NASA,” she said.

The conference also hosts “experiencer sessions,” opportunities for attendees to share stories of apparent sightings, visitations, or abductions with a qualified therapist in private.

Elsberry says the goal of the conference is to expose the subject of UFOs to the general public in a way that is digestible. ”Even people who don’t necessarily believe that extraterrestrial life exists, they think it’s a platform that at least intrigues them to discover more about the subject,” she said.

“We are not asking you to believe everything you hear, just keep an open mind,” Elsbury said

The conference runs until Feb. 16.

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Guardian

Nazi scientists planned to use mosquitoes as biological weapon

Himmler ordered secret research into how malaria-infected insects could be sent behind enemy lines, research reveals

by Philip Oltermann in Berlin
Friday 14 February 2014 06.45 EST

The Nazis considered using mosquitoes as biological weapons during the second world war, research has revealed.

Towards the end of the war, scientists at an institute in Dachau conducted research into how malaria-infected insects could be kept alive for long enough to be released into enemy territory.

In January 1942, the leader of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, ordered the creation of the Dachau entomological institute. Its official mission was to find new remedies against diseases transmitted by lice and other insects: German troops were often plagued by typhoid, and there were concerns about a developing typhoid epidemic at the Neuengamme concentration camp.

But in an article for the science journal Endeavour, Klaus Reinhardt says protocols kept by the head of the institute allow no other conclusion than that the institute also pursued research into biological warfare.

In 1944, scientists examined different types of mosquitoes for their life spans in order to establish whether they could be kept alive long enough to be transported from a breeding lab to a drop-off point. At the end of the trials, the director of the institute recommended a particular type of anopheles mosquito, a genus well-known for its capacity to transmit malaria to humans.

With Germany having signed up to the 1925 Geneva protocol, Adolf Hitler had officially ruled out the use of biological and chemical weapons during the second world war, as had allied forces. Research into the mosquito project had to be carried out in secret.

In the end, the research proved of little value. Behind the project was "a bizarre mix of Himmler's smattering of scientific knowledge, personal paranoia, an esoteric world view, and genuine concerns about his SS troops", Reinhardt told Süddeutsche Zeitung. In comparison with the biological research of the allied forces, he said, Nazi research had been "risible".

Animals were frequently employed for military operations during the first and second world war, though mainly for transport and communication. In 2004, the British government unveiled a memorial dedicated to the animals including horses, dogs and pigeons who served and died alongside British and allied troops.

During the first world war, glow worms were often kept by British soldiers to help them read maps at night. American researchers also worked on a plan to use bats to carry incendiary bombs, but the programme was shelved.

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Major Native American site found in downtown Miami leaves city in quandary

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User ImageFeb. 4, 2014: People work at a site in downtown Miami, which is likely to be of the most significant prehistoric sites in the United States

MIAMI – As more Native American archaeological sites are being uncovered around the nation, the findings are posing difficult questions for the cities where they are found.
In Miami, a major prehistoric Native American village has been discovered at a downtown site where developers plan to construct a movie theater, condos and hotel building.
The discovery has pitted developers against archaeologists and historic preservationists who want the find preserved in its entirety. Developers say the public is better served by removing a portion and putting it on display while continuing with construction.
Little is still known about Native American architecture but more sites are being found with advances in technology and a better understanding of the subtle markers that remain.
In a vacant lot between gleaming hotels in downtown Miami are a series of holes carved into the bedrock that form eight circles.
At first glance, the site seems like an eyesore. But it's here where archaeologists say they have uncovered a major prehistoric Native American village, one of the largest and earliest examples of urban planning ever uncovered in North America.
It's also where a movie theater, condos and 34-story hotel are expected to be built.
The discovery has pitted developers against archaeologists and historic preservationists. The dispute comes as an increasing number of Native American sites are being uncovered around the country with advances in technology and a greater understanding of the subtle markers left behind to look for. The discoveries pose difficult questions for cities such as Miami that must decide whether it is best to preserve the remains of an ancient society or, often times, destroy it in hopes of revitalizing a new one.
"Let's be honest with each other," said Eugene Stearns, the attorney representing MDM Development Group, which owns the property and is eager to move forward with construction. "Every great city is built on the shards of a former great city."
At its height, archaeologist Bob Carr estimated as many as 2,000 people lived in the Tequesta village, starting around 500 B.C. It likely extended a quarter mile along the Miami River and then wrapped around Biscayne Bay.
Much of the village consisted of thatched, hut-like buildings the Tequestas, one of South Florida's earliest tribes, built by digging holes with clam shells into the soft limestone, and then inserting pine logs to hold floors, walls and roofs.
Because of the materials used -- straw, wood -- the only remnants of the buildings are the postholes, today still forming 18 to 40-foot circles in the blackened bedrock.
MDM has proposed carving out a section of the limestone containing the circle formations and placing it on display in a public plaza.
Preservations, however, say removing a piece of architecture isn't like moving a painting from one museum to another.
"The idea that you would carve out a chunk and move it to some other place and put it into exhibition sounds strange to me and sad," said Mark Jarzombek, associate dean of the Massachusetts Institute for Technology's School of Architecture and Planning. "These places are very site specific. There's a reason why they made this village or town there which has to do with orientation, landscape, access to rivers."
MDM has spent $3 million conducting an archaeological review and is now anxious to continue construction. Stearn said all of the planned commercial space has been leased and half of the residential units have been sold.
"There are enormous financial obligations and commitments that have to be met," he said. "And they need to go forward."
Miami isn't the only city grappling with how best to preserve an ancient site while allowing development to advance. Nationwide, Native American sites are being discovered at a quickening pace.
"Archaeology is really going through a bit of a golden era now with uncovering these sights," Jarzombek said.
In California, where as many as 1 million Native Americans may have once lived, Dave Singleton with the Native American Heritage Commission said he receives reports from county coroner offices regarding Native American remains about once every 10 days.
Construction crews have unearthed burial grounds, artifacts and villages in rural, desert areas to downtown Los Angeles. Any time remains are found in California, construction is halted while an archaeological review is done and a descendant identified.
With a few exceptions, however, construction has eventually resumed.
Hundreds of tools and other artifacts, along with possible burial sites, were found at a planned 250-megwatt solar energy project east of the Coachella Valley in 2011, slated to be one of the largest in the nation. Tribal leaders said federal officials had deemed the findings "unprecedented."
Construction was temporarily halted but later allowed to continue. A mitigation plan that included an extensive study and public outreach was developed.
"We, of course, like the other tribes of the area, were shocked and saddened," Jay Cravath, cultural director of the Chemehuevi Indian Tribe said. "Mitigation will not change the damage that was done."
Singleton said the Native American groups are not opposed to development, but they object to the generation of plants and transmission lines that go through burial grounds and destroy sacred sites.
Miami-Dade County archaeologist Jeff Ransom, however, plans to recommend full preservation at a city meeting Friday and, if the committee members agree, MDM could be forced to redesign the site.
Ransom would like to see the huts and village reconstructed, and he believes the site could be turned into a viable heritage tourism destination.
Miami is a city vying to become an international destination not just for its nightlife and beaches but also its art and culture. Revitalizing the city's downtown with a new museum district, shops and restaurants has been seen as a central part of that.
There are some Native American within urban areas that have been successfully preserved. A Hohokam mound next to a hospital near Phoenix was purchased by the city of Mesa in 1988 and stabilized by a team of archaeologists. It is now a six-acre cultural park.
"What more human and intelligent and culturally rich way to revitalize a place than to recognize its antiquity and to celebrate its earlier native occupants?" said Peter Nabokov, an anthropology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Developers in Miami contend it would be difficult to preserve the site and promote it as an area for tourists to visit because it is on soft limestone rock, has no drainage and is corroding from rain and pollution. They also note the site is prime real estate that would cost the city about $100 million to purchase.
Stearns, MDM's attorney, said the archaeological value of preserving the postholes in their current state ultimately doesn't outweigh what could be gained in terms of education and development by carving them out and building on top.
"Archaeologists see them differently," Stearns said. "They can wax eloquently about the significance of the postholes. But I dare say that's not a view shared by most others."

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