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« Reply #1200 on: Sep 18th, 2010, 1:46pm »

on Sep 18th, 2010, 09:21am, LoneGunMan wrote:
This story reminds me of 'Blaine" the train in Kings 'Dark Tower' series. That might be all right, but to be 40 thou above ground with see through walls might be a bit too much for me also!
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And it does remind me of that old Wonderwoman-movie. BTW I wonder where they got the idea for that technology from. shocked



Taken from Kevin Smith's newsletter:

Life on this Earth Just Changed: The North Atlantic Current is Gone

The latest satellite data establishes that the North Atlantic Current (also called the North Atlantic Drift) no longer exists and along with it the Norway Current. These two warm water currents are actually part of the same system that has several names depending on where in the Atlantic Ocean it is. The entire system is a key part of the planet’s heat regulatory system; it is what keeps Ireland and the United Kingdom mostly ice free and the Scandinavia countries from being too cold; it is what keeps the entire world from another Ice Age. This Thermohaline Circulation System is now dead in places and dying in others.

This ‘river’ of warm water that moves through the Atlantic Ocean is called, in various places, the South Atlantic Current, the North Brazil Current, the Caribbean Current, the Yucatan Current, the Loop Current, the Florida Current, the Gulf Stream, the North Atlantic Current (or North Atlantic Drift) and the Norway Current.

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You can read the rest and see the various graphics here:
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2010/09/14/life-on-this-earth-just-changed-the-north-atlantic-current-is-gone/

I'd say thanks BP...not. tongue rolleyes
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« Reply #1201 on: Sep 18th, 2010, 2:16pm »

Good morning Phil,
And it will affect us here on the Puget Sound, don't think it won't.... So sad all the way around. Phoenix summers worldwide? UGH!
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« Reply #1202 on: Sep 18th, 2010, 2:23pm »

Another article re: Wednesday 13 October 2010 worldwide flyover.
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Saturday, September 18, 2010
Retired NORAD Officer Predicts Upcoming Worldwide UFO Display

A newly-published book by a retired NORAD officer predicts October 13, 2010 as the tentative date for a fleet of extraterrestrial craft to hover for hours over the earth's principal cities. Supposedly the event to be the first in a series intended to avert a planetary catastrophe resulting from increasing levels of carbon-dioxide in the earth's atmosphere dangerously approaching a "critical mass." I don't know much about Stanley A. Fulham other than some information on a few videos and that he has written two other books related to this subject. The press release is posted below...Lon

Winnipeg, MB (PRWEB) September 13, 2010 - A newly-published 352-page book by a retired Air Force officer, Stanley A. Fulham, tentatively predicts October 13, 2010 as the date for a massive UFO display over the world’s principal cities. According to the author, the aliens will neither land nor communicate on that date; they are aware from eons of experience with other planets in similar conditions their sudden intervention would cause fear and panic.

The book, Challenges of Change (3rd ed.), reports this event will be the initial interaction in a process leading to mankind’s acceptance of the alien reality and technologies for the removal of poisonous gases from the earth’s atmosphere in 2015, if not sooner.

The author draws upon his military experience with the UFO phenomenon dating back to WW2, and later, with NORAD and his subsequent life-long association with a senior NORAD intelligence officer who provided him a wealth of historical data relating to NORAD’s experience with the UFO/alien reality which has never been revealed to the public. In the military's view, as conveyed to and understood by Fulham, the public is not yet ready to accept an alien reality.

Fulham writes it is generally recognized UFOs function beyond our earth's physical laws, and has concluded answers to questions regarding who they are, where are they from, why are they here, are they a threat, and the mystery of abductions could only be found at a higher dimension of reality.

For more than a decade, through the services of a world renowned channeler, the author has communicated with an ethereal group of entities known as the Transcendors -- 43,000 very old souls who combine their vast experience and knowledge through eons of incarnations, providing advice and information to humans in search of basic realities of mankind’s existence.

The book Challenges of Change reports on the author’s years of communication with the Transcendors in a question and answer format intended to inform and challenge. The Transcendors reveal through the author crucial information about urgent global challenges facing mankind such as earth changes, international terrorism, worldwide financial collapse and the environmental crisis. One revelation is al Qaeda has a dirty nuclear bomb and WMD, but faces a moral quandary over “containment of collateral damages.”

Utilizing the theme of the Four Horsemen as symbolic metaphor, Fulham warns mankind will survive all of these future challenges, except the CO2 pollution of our atmosphere. According to information provided to the author by the Transcendors, the build-up of CO2 pollution is rising 1% annually to a “critical mass” of 22% in which mankind could not survive ”without outside intervention.”

According to Fulham, the Transcendors state they have borne witness to countless thousands of alien civilizations who polluted their planets to total extinction where not a single being, animal or plant survived. They urgently warn planet earth is presently on the same self-destructive path. Fulham reports the aliens are well aware of our environmental crisis, and have benevolently decided to rescue mankind in this vast universal drama.

Fulham has been in contact with a distinguished foreign ambassador who read the book with great interest and dispatched it to his home government, where it was translated and studied by hundreds of their top government officials.

A website containing videos of the author discussing his research conclusions and other vital information has been created at: http://sites.google.com/site/challengesofchange

Fulham clarifies there are no absolutes; the principal of free will and choice that exits with all souls precludes all absolute realities, and the aliens may decide to postpone their intervention -- but the Transcendors confirm it will nonetheless occur in 2010. Quoting the author, the event will "occur this year, in what will surely be one of the great dramas of our galaxy, the introduction of their alien civilizations and technologies to mankind. We are not alone, and our world will have changed forever."

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« Reply #1203 on: Sep 18th, 2010, 5:43pm »

More from the Spitzer telescope. Nice Milky Way mosaic video. Our galaxy is AWESOME!!

http://www.wimp.com/bigpicture/
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on Sep 18th, 2010, 5:43pm, Swamprat wrote:
More from the Spitzer telescope. Nice Milky Way mosaic video. Our galaxy is AWESOME!!

http://www.wimp.com/bigpicture/


Thank you Swampy! That is so very beautiful!
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Breakthrough raises hopes of early rescue for Chilean miners

Day 44: Bore hole reaches cavern where 33 miners are trapped half a mile underground ahead of schedule
Associated Press in Santiago
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 18 September 2010 13.19 BST

Drilling equipment has pounded its way into one of the caverns in the collapsed mine in northern Chile where 33 miners have been trapped for a month and a half, completing a bore hole ahead of schedule and raising hopes that the men can be pulled out earlier than expected.

The drill, which is 12in (30cm) wide and guided by a pilot hole half its diameter, reached 2,070ft (633m) beneath the surface, puncturing the top of a passage near the chamber in the San Jose copper and gold mine where the men have taken refuge. The next step is to place a wider drill on the rig and start a hole 28in (71cm) across – wide enough for the miners to get out.

Video shot by the miners and released by the government showed scenes of bedlam below when the drill broke through, sending a shower of water and rock down into the chamber. "Viva Chile!" the miners cried, hugging each other and posing for the camera with broad smiles and headlamps beaming.

"We are extremely excited by what has been done today," said Mario Sepulveda, who has become a spokesman for his fellow miners. "It's time for the third and final stage," of the rescue, another unidentified miner said into the camera.

The government previously said it would take until early November to rescue the miners under the most optimistic scenario, but mining minister Laurence Golborne said yesterday: "We're a little bit ahead." The earlier estimate had been based on the potential for a larger number of setbacks than the effort has seen so far, he said.

The miners have endured sweltering conditions for weeks, and the discipline and resilience they have shown through their ordeal has roused pride among their fellow Chileans – perhaps especially so as the nation celebrates the bicentennial of its independence today.

The miners commemorated the bicentennial on Thursday with beef and empanadas, and they decorated their chamber with a plastic Chilean flag.

Two rigs have been drilling holes separately to ensure that rescuers would not have to start from the beginning if a major problem arose. A third and much larger rig will begin drilling on Monday.

The piston-driven air compression drills being used on the Schramm T-130 rig used to break through the passage chips away at rock like a jackhammer. Its hammers are made of diamonds, tungsten carbide and other alloys. The 12in drill was out of action for several days after a bithead broke – but it still beat the more traditional competing drill down to the trapped miners.

Brandon Fisher, the owner of Center Rock, the Pennsylvania-based company that built the drills used on the T-130, said the piston-based drilling system that will be used to dig the larger hole will have four hammers, rather than just one. The process will take weeks, but Fisher said he could not estimate exactly how long. "There's just no way of knowing. We're drilling in extremely hard rock," he said. "It's a volcanic conglomerate with a very high silica content, and silica is the most abrasive substance that can be found in rock."

Once the larger hole is dug, it will be reinforced with a metal sleeve. The miners will be hoisted up in an steel "escape capsule" that is still being designed but will be fitted with oxygen tanks and a communications system. Widening such a deep hole has its dangers, including cave-ins that could trap the drill and halt the operation. "By no stretch of the imagination is this a cakewalk," said Fisher. "We hope to be drilling [again] in the next couple of days."

Three smaller holes drilled earlier have allowed rescuers to supply the men with food, water, medical supplies and extra air, as well as lines to communicate with relatives and officials above.

The trapped miners work for a company with a history of safety violations that has pursued bankruptcy protection since the collapse and has said it cannot afford to pay the men. They have been offered new jobs with larger mining companies in Chile which apply modern technology and safety standards to extracting the copper, gold and other minerals that bring in 40% of the government's revenue.

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Man with no limbs completes Channel swim
Philippe Croizon, who had arms and legs amputated after severe electric shock, completed 21-mile crossing in under 14 hours
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A Frenchman today became the first limbless person to swim the Channel.

Philippe Croizon set off from Folkestone, in Kent, at around 6am yesterday, expecting to reach France within 24 hours, but managed to complete the feat in only 13 and a half.

The 42-year-old's arms and legs had to be amputated after he suffered an electric shock while removing a television aerial from a roof 16 years ago.

He taught himself to swim in the last two years, and does so using prosthetic legs and a snorkel and mask.

Earlier, Croizon's spokeswoman said he was swimming faster than expected after completing his first 12 miles in just eight hours.

After completing the 21-mile challenge last night, Croizon told the BBC he had never felt that he was not going to make it, despite aches and pains all over his body.

Croizon's father said his son had been helped by favourable wind conditions and had even had three dolphins swimming alongside at one point, which he said was a "sign of good luck".

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September 18, 2010
Reservoir in Gulf May Still Be Used
By HENRY FOUNTAIN

While BP plans to permanently abandon its stricken well in the Gulf of Mexico, with little but a plug left at the top, it may yet make use of the reservoir of oil and gas that the well tapped into.

Experts say that there are no technical or commercial reasons why BP — or another company if BP is wary of the political or public-relations repercussions — could not eventually produce oil from the formation, which BP once estimated contained about 50 million barrels of oil. The well spewed only about one-tenth of that amount, according to government estimates.

“The bottom line here is that this reservoir still remains a target for further production,” said Tadeusz W. Patzek, chairman of the department of petroleum and geosystems engineering at the University of Texas.

Dr. Patzek said he thought the formation might contain even more recoverable oil and gas, “but whether it’s 50 million or 100 million, that’s still a pretty decent target,” with potential revenues in the billions of dollars.

Through a spokesman, BP said it was too early to say what would become of Mississippi Canyon Block 252, the nine-square-mile plot about 50 miles off the Louisiana coast where the well was drilled. But in August, Doug Suttles, the company’s chief operating officer, while saying the stricken well and two relief wells would be abandoned, left open the possibility that the company might drill in the area again.

“There’s lots of oil and gas here,” he said at the time. “We’re going to have to think about what to do with that at some point.”

On Saturday, crews were preparing to conduct a pressure test to see if cement pumped the day before into the bottom of the stricken well formed an effective seal.

Once the well is declared sealed, BP will turn its attention to abandoning the well, following standard industry procedures that call for mechanical plugs and more cement, particularly at the top.

When that work is finished, there will be little if any sign at the well site of the havoc that was wreaked there after the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig exploded on April 20, killing 11, or of the struggle to stop the flow of oil.

The well, which spewed more than 4.9 million barrels of oil into the gulf, fouling the coastline, killing marine organisms and affecting lives throughout the region, had not leaked since mid-July, after valves were closed on a new cap at its top. But BP and government officials said they would not consider the well killed until the first relief well did its job.

BP paid the federal government $34 million in 2008 to lease the Mississippi Canyon Block, and then it sold about one-third of its interest to other companies. One option for the company would be to sell its remaining stake, subject to government approval; in such a case, having proved that there is oil and gas there would probably make the stake more valuable.

“They could probably sell it to another operator,” said Dr. Patzek, who offered a quick analysis. “You have three and a half billion dollars of oil there. If you sell it for a billion and a half, someone will gladly take it.”

Experts said that if BP or another company decided to drill again, it most likely would not be through the original well bore, although technically that might be possible.

“I don’t think BP would reuse the original well,” Julius Langlinais, a retired professor of petroleum engineering at Louisiana State University, said in an e-mail response to questions. “If anything at all went wrong with the reused well bore, the press and P.R. would be terrible. And mechanically we’re not sure of anything, so it’s better to start over.”

The relief wells, however, which were being drilled at a cost of about $100 million each, would be an obvious choice for any future project.

The first intercepted the stricken well just above the reservoir, about 13,000 feet below the seabed. The second, meant as a backup, was halted about 10,000 feet down. Either well could be redirected and used to tap into the reservoir.

“Since these wells are almost to the formation, it would be prudent to continue down to the formation and make these wells producers,” Dr. Langlinais said.

Dr. Patzek said that reusing one or both relief wells would offer another advantage: safety. “There’s already casing in place, it’s cemented,” he said. “It’s a much safer well to continue than drilling a new well.”

Experts said the fact that the original well spewed oil and gas at an uncontrolled rate for nearly three months might affect the oil- and gas-bearing sands that make up the formation, at least near the well bore.

But Greg McCormack, director of the Petroleum Extension Service at the University of Texas, and others said they thought the impact would not be great.

“You’re going to have some permeability destruction of that reservoir,” Mr. McCormack said. “Still, you are going to be able to produce out of that formation.”

And Dr. Patzek dismissed the idea that any operator drilling again in the area had to be wary of this reservoir, that it was somehow more problematic than others and produced more than the typical number of gas surges, or kicks, during drilling.

“Kicks you get every day in that region of the world,” he said. He said that drillers would have to take the usual precautions and avoid the kinds of errors that doomed the original well.

“Mistakes have been made here, right?” Dr. Patzek said. “That is the reason that this reservoir did what it did.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/us/19well.html?hpw

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Saturday, September 18, 2010
Romani Culture, Myths and Legends

The Romani (also known as Roma) are an ethnic group living mostly in Europe, who trace their origins to medieval India. They are referred to many as Gypsies (though this moniker is historically incorrect) and have been persecuted for centuries throughout the world because of their traditional culture.

Romanies place a high value on the extended family. Virginity is essential in unmarried women. Both men and women often marry young and there has been controversy in several countries over the Romani practice of child marriage. Romani law establishes that the man's family must pay a bride price to the bride's parents, but only traditional families still follow this rule. Once married, the woman joins the husband's family, where her main job is to tend to her husband's and her children's needs, as well as to take care of her in-laws. The power structure in the traditional Romani household has at its top the oldest man or grandfather, and men in general have more authority than women. Women gain respect and authority as they get older. Young wives begin gaining authority once they have children. Many Romanies follow a strict form of Marhime, which is similar to the Hindu purity laws.

Romani legends and mythology tell of certain Romanies who possess passive psychic powers such as empathy, precognition, retrocognition, or psychometry. Other legends include the ability to levitate, travel through astral projection by way of meditation, invoke curses or blessings, conjure/channel spirits, and skill with illusion-casting.

During many traditional burials, steel or iron needles are pushed into the body's heart and pieces of steel in the mouth, over the eyes, ears and between the fingers. Hawthorn was placed on the legs or driven through the legs. They would also drive stakes, pour boiling water on the grave, and behead or burn the body. All this preparation was to ward off Vampires. Romanies have a particular concept of good and evil forces. Dead relatives were looked after loyally. The soul enters a world like the world of the living, except that death does not exist. The soul lingers near the body and sometimes wants to live again.

The Roma legends of the living dead added to and enriched the Vampire legends of Hungary, Romania, and Slavic lands. The Indian deity associated with blood drinking is Kali, who has fangs, wears a garland of corpses or skulls and has four arms. Her temples are near the cremation grounds. She and the goddess Durga battled the demon Raktabija who could reproduce himself from each drop of blood spilled. Kali drank all his blood so none was spilled, thereby winning the battle and killing Raktabija. Sarah, or the Black Goddess, is the form in which Kali survived among Roma.

Some Roma have a belief that the three Marys from the New Testament went to France and baptized a gypsy called Sara. Some refer to Sarah, their Black Goddess as "Black Cally" or "Black Kali". In 1448, four decapitated female skeletons were discovered in the foundation of a church in southern France and were tentatively identified as those of the three Maries and Sarah, their Egyptian servant. Over time, Mary Magdalene disappeared from the trio of Maries and today, only Mary Jacobé and Mary Salomé are the official Saints of the Catholic Church. One legend says that Mary Magdalene became a hermit, grew her hair long and hid herself in a cave to atone for her sins. Sarah has been forgotten by the Church and the official modern version of the legend offered by the Church authorities is that only the two Maries (Jacobé and Salomé) arrived in a boat from Palestine with their servant Sarah who is now called Saint Sarah despite the fact that officially there is no such saint in the hierarchy of Catholic saints. Equally mysterious is the presence of the black female statue in the crypt of the church in Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, France. The present statue is said to have replaced an previous statue, which in its turn replaced an earlier one. Most Romani worldwide and of different religions celebrate Sarah in one form or another and by alternative names.

Some authors, taking up themes from the pseudohistorical book Holy Blood, Holy Grail, suggest that Sarah was the daughter of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. These ideas were popularized by Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code and is also the main plot in Eron Manusov's novel Ahavah's Dream.

Another form of Vampire in Romani folklore is called a Mullo (one who is dead). This Vampire is believed to return and cause malicious havoc and/or suck the blood of a person. The victim is usually a relative who had caused their death or hadn't properly observed the burial ceremonies or kept the deceased's possessions instead of destroying them as was proper.

People who are hideous in appearance, missing a finger, or had appendages similar to those of an animal, were believed to be a Vampire. If a person died unseen, they would become a Vampire...likewise if a corpse swelled before burial. It is believed that female Vampires can return, lead a normal life and even marry though they would exhaust the husband to the point of death, similar to a Succubus.

Roma people in Kosovo believed that Vampires were invisible to most people. However, they could be "seen by a twin brother and sister born on a Saturday who wear their drawers and shirts inside out" according to a late Serbian ethnologist. "This pair could see the Vampire out of doors at night, but immediately after it saw them it would have to flee, head over heels."

Romani Gypsies have also been incorporated in gothic literature, most notably in Bram Stoker's 'Dracula' in which the infamous Vampire's loyal 'Szgany' henchman (Romani Gypsies) were Dracula's caretakers and defenders.

“Always help brothers; Never harm Brothers; Always pay when you owe although not necessarily money; And never be afraid.”....Romani philosophy

This was only a brief overview of culture and legends of the Romani people. Please read the following links in reference to Romani history and the past / present discrimination they face - The Gypsies in History and Today and Romani Against Racism as well as Roma in the Americas BTW, the Romanies were the only other population besides the Jews who were targeted for extermination on racial grounds in the 'Final Solution'. You can read further at Rroma and Sinti Holocaust: http://www.rromaniconnect.org/Romasintiholocaust.html

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/09/romani-culture-myths-and-legends.html

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Christine O'Donnell, the Republican contender, admitted she 'dabbled in witchcraft'
Controversial Republican Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell once talked on a satirical television show about dabbling in witchcraft and joining a midnight picnic on a Satanic altar.

By Philip Sherwell in New York
Published: 11:38AM BST 19 Sep 2010

The remarkable clip – which was aired this weekend – rocked the campaign of the conservative politician who was backed against the Republican establishment by Sarah Palin and the populist Tea Party movement.

"I dabbled into witchcraft - I never joined a coven. But I did, I did. ... I dabbled into witchcraft,” Miss O’Donnell said, apparently seriously, in the segment shown by liberal comic Bill Maher on his current show Real Time.



“I hung around people who were doing these things. I'm not making this stuff up. I know what they told me they do.

"One of my first dates with a witch was on a Satanic altar, and I didn't know it. I mean, there's a little blood there and stuff like that. ... We went to a movie and then had a midnight picnic on a Satanic altar."

Other guests reacted with amusement and disbelief as a smiling Miss O’Donnell made the comments in 1999 as a pundit on Maher’s former television show Politically Incorrect.

The original clip was not broadcast at the time, but Maher said he had more incriminating archive footage that he would release if she did not agree to come on his new show.

Miss O’Donnell has cancelled Sunday morning appearances on two major political television shows as the new controversy swirls.

Her spokesperson insisted that she dropped the prestigious television slots to attend a campaign event in Delaware, where she won her party’s Senate primary on Tuesday in a major upset.

After her victory, Mrs O’Donnell received an enthusiastic reception at the Value Voters Summit when she argued that a small ruling elite in Washington was oppressing conservatives like her and her audience. "They call us wacky, they call us wingnuts. We call us, we the people," she said to cheers.

Party chiefs campaigned against Miss O’Donnell because they were convinced that her unconventional views –and questions about her personal and political finances – meant she had no chance of winning Delaware, a key Republican target, in November.

She has championed abstinence not just from pre-marital sex but from masturbation and also supported widely-debunked gay conversion therapy. Critics have also found past statements from her such as: "American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.”

She was trailing moderate Republican congressman Mike Castle in the race for the Senate nomination until Mrs Palin, the former vice-presidential candidate, and the Tea Party threw their political weight behind her late in the campaign.

Opinion polls indicated that Mr Castle would comfortably capture the former seat of Vice-President Joe Biden – a key Republican target if they are to have any chance of wresting control of the Senate from the Democrats. The same polls indicated Miss O’Donnell would lose the Delaware contest.


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on Sep 19th, 2010, 09:07am, WingsofCrystal wrote:
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Breakthrough raises hopes of early rescue for Chilean miners

That's good news. smiley

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Man with no limbs completes Channel swim
Philippe Croizon, who had arms and legs amputated after severe electric shock, completed 21-mile crossing in under 14 hours
Press Association
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A Frenchman today became the first limbless person to swim the Channel.

A real hero!

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September 18, 2010
Reservoir in Gulf May Still Be Used
By HENRY FOUNTAIN

While BP plans to permanently abandon its stricken well in the Gulf of Mexico, with little but a plug left at the top, it may yet make use of the reservoir of oil and gas that the well tapped into.

Oh, my... rolleyes
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Urban Foragers Cropping Up in U.S. .Urban Foragers Cropping Up in U.S.
Posted on September 3, 2010

In Sacramento, they pick figs, kumquats, and plums from public trees. In New York, they harvest purslane--an edible flower--from the cracks in the sidewalk. Down south, it's fiddlehead ferns, and just about everywhere, people are picking black walnuts, wild mushrooms, and dandelion greens.

Urban foraging--gathering fruit, vegetables, and other useful things from parks, lawns, and sidewalks--isn't a new thing. But as more urbanites become aware of the free bounty surrounding them, new issues are--pardon the pun--cropping up. When a public park's berry patch is raided, whose responsibility is it to make sure there are some left for everyone to enjoy? What about pesticides?

The Institute for Culture and Ecology has been studying urban foragers since 2008 to understand how foraging fits into a city's ecosystem. The latest project, studying foragers in Seattle, kicked off in early 2010 with partial funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Since then, researcher Melissa Poe and her team have interviewed 35 foragers.

Among their findings:

This tiny group of foragers--just a small percentage of the people in Seattle who gather wild plants--together picks a whopping 250 different species of plants, year-round. Some have been gathering in Seattle for over 60 years. Most act as caretakers for their favorite spots, which they return to year after year.

Most popular item? "Right now, it's blackberry season," Poe said. Seattle is also home to the Oregon grape--more closely related to the barberry than an actual grape--and English ivy, an invasive vine that Seattle-area crafting groups weave into baskets.

How many people are doing this? It depends. Poe has identified 150 self-identified foragers, but "I don't think people consider what they do wild plant gathering," she told Green Guide.

"It's just what you do. There's a blackberry [plant] in the alley, so you pick it. The number of people who gather blackberries, I am positive, is over half of Seattle."

Foraging can be a risky business: in some municipalities, it's not allowed in public parks. Earlier this year, the New York Times' urban foraging columnist suggested that would-be gatherers pick day lily shoots from Central Park; the Times had to quickly post a clarification that picking plants from city parks was against the law.

"If 15 people decide to go harvest day lilies to stir-fry that night, you could wipe out the entire population of day lilies around the Central Park reservoir," Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe told the Times.

There's another risk: chemicals. "Most of the foragers we have talked to are expressing concerns about toxicity," Poe said. Public park managers aren't necessarily interested in preserving the edibility of the wild things that grow there--don't even start on whatever might grow in a median or alley. Park managers and city planners could make it easier for foragers, Poe suggested, by minimizing the chemicals sprayed or, at the very least, putting up signs to alert would-be foragers when pesticides are at their most potent.

But outweighing those risks? The food is free and would likely go to waste if not harvested. Foraging gets people outdoors, learning more about the environment. And the food is about as local as can be.

--Rachel Kaufman


http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/thegreenguide/2010/09/urban-foragers-cropping-up-in.html

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