Re: Stuff & Nonsense
« Reply #12480 on: Mar 31st, 2015, 3:59pm »
Someone Is Blogging Late 1950s-Early 1960s Science Fiction In Real Time
Charlie Jane Anders Filed to: this is awesome
What if there was a blogger tackling the history of science fiction at the end of the Golden Age, as it happened? It would look a lot like the Galactic Journey blog (http://galacticjourney.dreamwidth.org/), over on Dreamwidth.
The blog started on Oct. 21, 2013 — covering events on Oct. 21, 1958 as if they were happening now. There are reviews of the "latest" issues of the pulp science fiction magazines, as well as ruminations about life "one year after Sputnik." And recaps of Twilight Zone episodes as they air. The author isn't afraid to call out some authors for their misogyny, but also for lapses in writing quality. There's also an article hailing "brand new writer" Harry Harrison.
The whole thing is incredibly entertaining, and a great window into what it might have been like to live through the dawn of the Space Age, and yet be able to blog about it.
Re: Stuff & Nonsense
« Reply #12482 on: Mar 31st, 2015, 7:28pm »
I'm sure you're right, Int; I didn't join Casebook 'till the end of 07. I didn't know where to look. The main reason I posted it now is because someone had posted something about it on Facebook and I did a search on LiveScience. I'm now led to understand that they HAVE since fabricated a working replica.
I'm sure you're right, Int; I didn't join Facebook 'till the end of 07. I didn't know where to look. The main reason I posted it now is because someone had posted something about it on Facebook and I did a search on LiveScience. I'm now led to understand that they HAVE since fabricated a working replica.
Thanx for that article Swamp you are on a roll. This is the first I heard of anything since it was found, and missed all work on it since. For the Greeks this represented as so well put by this video their theory of everything in a box. In fact we can trace the later development of gears in clocks when the moors got it from the greek and spread to parts of Europe
Crystal...I loved If and Galaxy and their novellas and spent all my sunday church and scool lunch money on them( yes there was a time we paid for school lunches with REAL food)
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No worries. Maybe someone who can get the search facility to work could point us back to the original thread.
At the risk of re-opening the topic, I will mention that I have trouble with this subject.
Whilst it is a brilliant piece of technology, it doesn't 'fit' comfortably with technological history.
There appears to be no supporting record of any other similar objects from that period. Nothing that comes anywhere near the skill and mechanical knowledge needed to build this thing.
Admittedly there are some crude wooden examples of gearing used in lifting water etc, but NO intricate mechanisms utilising the multi tooth bronze gearing that the machine used. That the Greeks had the mathematics to do this is beyond question.
Such machines would not exist in a vacuum. Where are all the test pieces ? the odd gears from other projects ? The other cruder, earlier examples ? There are none.
Something is wrong with this.
It is like finding a Diesel engine in a pyramid and explaining it away by saying 'ah well, Pharaoh only had the one made then forbade all further production. And no, we don't know what happened to all the machine tools needed to make it'.
An idea doesn't live and die with one example. Someone would have continued making mechanical clocks and computers. The thousand year gap does not make sense.
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Bye the way, did you ever read Andy Roberts book 'UFO Down ?'
I never did but now you’ve reminded me I may hunt a copy out, however he more or less came to the same conclusion that you and I discussed privately years ago, i.e. once all was said and done everything had a rational explanation except for Pat Evans.
If it wasn’t for her it seems that Andy’s case was watertight but even he admits her testimony is, shall we say, contradictory to his explanation. Or more to the point it seems the full case stands or falls on her testimony, the problem is, which version?
Lets give our ancestors some credit Sadly wars tend to obliterate knowledge bases..much like the ancient burning of libraries..much like Isis is doing with the tombs and irreplaceable sumerian stone works. Aristotle mentions gears around 330 BC, (wheel drives in windlasses). He said that the direction of rotation is reversed when one gear wheel drives another gear wheel. Philon of Byzantium was one of the first who used gears in water raising devices. Archimedes used gears in various constructions. Actually we have only indirect knowledge of his inventions. He did not publish any work describing his inventions. He viewed his mechanical inventions as amusements or as practical concerns of no scientific importance. Plutarch says: ''Although these inventions made his superhuman wisdom famous, he nonetheless wrote nothing on these matters because he felt that the construction of all machines and all devices for practical use in general was a low and ignoble business. He himself strove only to remove himself, by his handsomeness and perfection, far from the kingdom of necessity."
Yes, I eventually bought the book. His conclusions are pretty much as you say.
What does come across is the variation between the two tv documentaries, and the various reports by ufologists. No one seems to agree on what actually happened after the initial 'bang'.
It is hard to decide just what Pat Evans actually did.
I don’t know if you’ve read it but I have his 2001 ‘essay’ on it (via Brigantia), I assume it’s essentially the same as the book just more condensed but if you want it then PM me your current email address I’ll send you it.
As I mentioned, the Greeks had the maths. and they built some simple mechanical devises. They were, however, not a technical society.
And they didn't have the small scale technology.
For example, how would a Greek craftsman drill a 1 millimeter hole ?
Everything we know today has been derived from things that come before. Someone looks at a device and says 'I can make that better'. Or 'hey, we can change that a bit and make it do this'. Machines are built to make better more accurate machines.
But this progress always leaves behind the tools and successful/failed examples of that is happening. With the Antikithera mechanism something very odd seems to have happened.
There were no similar devises found for that period. Nothing. There seems also to have been no continuation of the skills used.
No tools of the kind used. For a thousand years, no progress.
I mean, once you have the means to make small gears you have the beginning of machinery as we know it.
Why did it disappear ?
I suspect that the historians may have made a big mistake.
The drawings of advanced machines doesn't mean that you have the means to actually make them.
They didn't have the metallurgy to do it.
It's rather like the drawing that appear in the ufo press. Super luminal star ships that make good drawings, but no one has any way of ever making them in real life.
Isn't it midnight, on the other side of the world. Do you remember the face of a pretty girl ?
If they could do this level of detail on a a crown ring 1400 years BC.. why wouldn't that apply to scaling of gears.
I don't see an imposible hurdle for precision work like this ..and the craftmans methods were very well protected and not necessarily wide spread or written down for us to figure out. As plutarch records go it was more an amusement or toy for some, or very limited use by sea farers..or we would have discovered more in other shipwrecks..eventually it will be figured out. Its fascinating even if it were made in later periods, by lets say a Swiss cuckoo clock maker..
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