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« Reply #12495 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 07:30am »

Absolutely no doubt that the Ancient Greeks had the artistic ability. So did the Ancient Egyptians and a whole lot of other old civilisations.

But there is a world of difference between works of art and mechanical knowledge and the capabilities to carry out the ideas. The technical ability.
Remember we are talking about the construction and fitting together of many multi-tooth gears. The icons on the side are just for information and the making of these would have been easy for them.

The maritime industry was vitally important to all the nations who lived around the region. Back then they didn't like to be out of sight of land. So devices like this would have been invaluable and much in demand.
That there should have been only one just doesn't work for me.

Let us consider the cell phone.

30 years ago they were only a concept based on the walkie-talkie hand held radio. They couldn't become fact until the miniturisation of electronics, the internet and the spread of computers gave them a platform.

But still there are traces of the old systems lingering around.
And once a technology gets going it accelerates.

So there really is no obvious explanation for the purported one thousand year gap between the AntiKythera mechanism and the beginning of the clockwork machines in Europe.

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« Reply #12496 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 10:55am »

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« Reply #12497 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 11:28am »

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UFO Sightings: Top 10 States With Highest Number of Reports

Apr 2, 2015, 12:02 PM ET
By AVIANNE TAN

There have been 1,177 UFO sightings reported to the National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) so far this year, 353 of them in March, according to a recent announcement.

The UFO Center's announcement also included three notable "sightings" last week in Portugal, Alaska and Washington.

In one of reports, a woman from Sitka, Alaska, said she heard a strange "ping" sound in her home last Wednesday and claimed her 4-year-old son witnessed a disc-shaped craft outside their home. The report came with a drawing made by her son of the alleged craft.

If you're in the mood to go UFO hunting or if you just want to have an extraterrestrial experience, you may want to visit these 10 states with the highest number of UFO sightings in the last four decades, according to NUFORC, which said it's been operating since 1974.

Disclaimer: The National UFO Reporting Center said it makes no claims as to the validity of the information in any of these reports.

1. California – 11,202

Most recent sighting: Ladera Ranch on March 22, 2015, at 9:35 p.m.

"I was on my patio [and] saw something fell out of the sky, straight down," the witness said. "It was green and looked like a flame was coming out of the back end of it."

2. Florida – 5,113

Most recent sighting: Deltona on March 23, 2015, at 9:14 p.m.

"Two round lights changed colors and moved at incredible rates of direction and speed," the witness wrote. "There were two round lights, one green, one red. Then both lights became green, 5 seconds later they both became red. The lights were below the cloud cover at approximately 1000 ft. The lights were stationary in the night sky."

The witness added a traveling companion pulled the vehicle off the road to further observe the sighting, but then "the lights streaked north at an incredible rate of speed, dove 90 degrees and streaked north again out of sight."

3. Washington – 5,004

Most recent sighting: Everett on March 24, 2015, at 8:15 p.m.

The witness claimed to have seen "two massive crafts, solid black in color" with orange lights in an inverted "V-shape" while on the phone with a sister.

"I was alarmed and scared as this was close, just above the tree line and electrical power lines," the witness said.

4. Texas – 4,359

Most recent sighting: College Station on March 25, 2015, at 8:30 p.m.

The witness reported seeing a red and green orb moving at an "incredible speed" down Jupiter's horizon through a telescope.

"What drew my attention was its curving motion and abrupt changes in speed, from close to a dead stop to full speed almost instantaneously," the witness wrote. "The speed of this object was far greater than any aircraft/satellite and could not be seen by naked eye, only through telescope."

5. New York – 3,837

Most recent sighting: Bronx, New York City, on March 22, 2015, at 10:00 p.m.

The witness claimed seeing a spacecraft trying to abduct an airplane and hearing strange songs from the attic.

6. Arizona – 3,212

Most recent sighting: Green Valley on March 23, 2015 at 8:30 p.m.

"For the past few nights we've seen a brilliant bright white light under the moon in the night sky, and we're wondering what it is," the witness said. "It doesn't appear to be moving (like a plane), but is in a different position every night."

7. Pennsylvania – 3,142

Most recent sighting: Philadelphia on March 25, 2015, at 12:05 a.m.

The witness reported seeing tightly grouped white lights in the east that vanished after 30 seconds.

8. Ohio – 2,907

Most recent sighting: North Ridgefield on March 22, 2015, at 11:00 p.m.

The witness claimed spotting a chevron-shaped craft "at low altitude behind the tops of some trees."

"It the started to move from left to right," the witness wrote. "After about 30 sec it made a swoop back the way it came."

9. Michigan – 2,451

Most Recent Sighting: Vicksburg on March 24, 2015, at 10:30 p.m.

The witness reported seeing a lit-up object in the sky that hovered, disappeared and reappeared in the same spot.

10. North Carolina – 2,273

Most recent sighting: Pfafftown on March 18, 2015, at 9:25 p.m.

"My friend and I were on my driveway behind my house and it was dark," the witness said.

A craft traveling slowly appeared and rapidly disappeared, the witness said, adding the craft was "almost silent" with "one bright light in the front, followed by two red lights horizontally opposed quite a distance from the front."

The National UFO Reporting Center did not immediately respond to ABC News' requests additional comment.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ufo-sightings-top-10-states-highest-number-reports/story?id=30061767

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« Reply #12498 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 8:30pm »

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« Reply #12499 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 11:13pm »

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I understand what you are saying, and perhaps just looking at it from different perspectives..If I were to use your standard of accuracy reserved for highly metricized work which I don't see argued its a hands down impossible. These creators or alluded to as such in the literature had schools of thought....they had students..a teacher then a teacher like any teacher of today, would build a small model. The literature I posted earlier called it a novelty..After he was killed something like that nice and shiny would have been like a perfect offering to the Caesar.

His work was widely renowned at the time, and Pappus of Alexandra writes of a paper Archimedes wrote on the design of intricately geared planetary systems to replicate the movements of heavenly bodies, many decades before the Antikythera device was built. The paper is lost to history, but it's believed that Archimedes went on to build multiple prototypes of a machine extremely similar to the surviving relic.

In fact, Cicero's fictionalized De Republica, a book written in the first century B.C., tells a story of Archimedes bringing a "celestial globe" machine to Rome's Temple of Virtue and demonstrating to a stunned audience how it could describe the movements of the sun, moon, and the five planets. It could also predict solar eclipses and the lunar phases. The parallels are incredibly striking.

t's almost certain that Archimedes wasn't the builder of the Antikythera mechanism - he died some 80 years or more before the machine is believed to have been built. But it's quite probable that he created the early prototypes from which the Antikythera machine was developed - prototypes forever lost in the mists of time, probably melted down for their bronze by unknowing invaders, just like Archimedes himself was murdered by a Roman soldier, ignorant of his importance.

http://www.gizmag.com/hublot-antikythera-mechanism-first-computer-watch/20517/

As to the precision of the device which some have added imo a lot of hyperbole but it remains remarkable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

In addition to theoretical accuracy, there is the matter of mechanical accuracy. Freeth and Jones note that the inevitable "looseness" in the mechanism due to the hand-built gears, with their triangular teeth and the frictions between gears, and in bearing surfaces, probably would have swamped the finer solar and lunar correction mechanisms built into it:

Though the engineering was remarkable for its era, recent research indicates that its design conception exceeded the engineering precision of its manufacture by a wide margin—with considerable accumulative inaccuracies in the gear trains, which would have cancelled out many of the subtle anomaly corrections built into its design.



Tony Freeth and Alexander Jones have modeled and published details of a version using several gear trains mechanically-similar to the lunar anomaly system allowing for indication of the positions of the planets as well as synthesis of the sun anomaly. Their system, they claim, is more authentic than Wright's model as it uses the known skill sets of the Greeks of that period and does not add excessive complexity or internal stresses to the machine.[6]

The gear teeth were in the form of equilateral triangles with an average circular pitch of 1.6 mm, an average wheel thickness of 1.4 mm and an average air gap between gears of 1.2 mm. The teeth probably were created from a blank bronze round using hand tools; this is evident because not all of them are even.[6] Due to advances in imaging and X-ray technology it is now possible to know the precise number of teeth and size of the gears within the located fragments. Thus the basic operation of the device is no longer a mystery and has been replicated accurately. The major unknown remains, the question of the presence and nature of any planet indicators.[38]

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The mechanism is remarkable for the level of miniaturisation and the complexity of its parts, which is comparable to that of fourteenth-century astronomical clocks. It has at least 30 gears, although mechanism expert Michael Wright has suggested that the Greeks of this period were capable of implementing a system with many more gears.[31]

In fact its mentioned some fit loosely.
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« Reply #12500 on: Apr 3rd, 2015, 05:51am »

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However we interpret it, it is still a remarkable find.

Wright demonstrates how a gear of the type used would be made. And even on fairly modern machines when you are meshing straight-cut gears you have to allow a bit of play in the mechanism or the gears will 'bind' up. I know this from setting the screw cutting gears on my lathe.

Anyway. whatever conclusions we come to it was a very interesting video that demonstrated that the investigative spirit is alive and well.

It's a pity that some ufo investigations are not carried out with the same degree of determination.

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ETs for Hillary: Why UFO Activists Are Excited About Another Clinton Presidency

Alien enthusiasts think Hillary could blow open Washington's biggest cover-up.

—By AJ Vicens
Fri Apr. 3, 2015 6:00 AM EDT

Stephen Bassett is ready for Hillary. Bassett, Capitol Hill's only registered UFO lobbyist, anticipates that another Clinton presidency will offer another shot at what's long been the Holy Grail for extraterrestrial enthusiasts: full disclosure of what the US government really knows about aliens. "This is the most important issue in the world," he says.

His enthusiasm is shared by Michael Salla, an academic turned UFO researcher who maintains that aliens have been secretly involved in American politics since the Cold War. He thinks a Clinton presidency would be a good thing for the UFO community. "I think Hillary would play a positive role in getting this information out," he says. "I think that Hillary definitely is much more the pro-disclosure candidate, where as someone like Jeb Bush is basically status quo."

The UFO activists' hopes for Hillary are pinned on the assumption she believes in their cause—despite having never spoken publicly about it. In particular, they are encouraged that John Podesta, Bill Clinton's former chief of staff, will likely chair Clinton's campaign and would likely serve in another Clinton White House. As a self-described "curious skeptic," Podesta has openly called for greater government transparency on UFO-related matters. In his forward to UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record, a 2011 book by journalist Leslie Kean, he wrote, "It's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there. The American people—and people around the world—want to know, and they can handle the truth."

Podesta's interest in extraterrestrial phenomenon is nothing new. In 1998, the Washington Post described his "fanatical devotion to 'The X-Files'—especially FBI agent Fox Mulder, with whom he shares a penchant for obsessiveness and paranoia." Grant Cameron, a Canadian UFO researcher, unsuccessfully tried to get the Clinton Library to release records detailing Podesta's X-Files-themed 50th birthday party, which was apparently thrown by the first couple—who may have dressed up as the show's main characters.

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America's Last Major Particle Collider Awakens

The Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, which operates at a lower energy than the Large Hadron Collider in Europe, recently fired up for its 15th run to look at quarks and gluons

April 6, 2015
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America’s last major particle collider lies coiled beneath the pine barrens and sparse outbuildings of Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island, N.Y. The Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC), as it’s called, recently came out of hibernation equipped with new gear for spilling the secrets of atoms.

RHIC pales next to Europe’s Large Hadron Collider when it comes to the energy with which its particles collide—energy that determines whether collisions will give rise to new, exotic particles. But the machine clings to relevance (and Department of Energy funding) by forgoing the new in favor of a closer look at the mysterious familiar: the quarks and gluons that comprise the cores of atoms, and thus 99 percent of all visible matter, about which several things are not known.

In a typical run, gold nuclei fly in opposite directions through RHIC’s central artery at 99.995 percent the speed of light before slamming together with the energy of colliding mosquitoes—objects 10 trillion times their weight—inside the two main detectors, STAR and PHENIX. The crash momentarily produces a several-trillion-degree droplet of “quark-gluon plasma”—matter in which quarks and gluons shed their individuality and form a single, flowing entity. It was here at RHIC in the early 2000s that experiments first definitively recreated this strange liquid, which researchers believe filled the universe in its infancy.

At RHIC, the plasma droplet survives for about a hundred-thousandth of a billionth of a billionth of a second before cooling and condensing into individual particles.

Measurements over the years, along with calculations that exploit the plasma’s peculiar mathematical relationship to black holes, have revealed that it is an almost “perfect” liquid, possessing the lowest viscosity (or internal friction) allowed by quantum physics.

A monitor in the control room for the STAR detector displays debris from a gold-gold collision (other collisions, such as proton-gold and proton-proton, also occur).

With gold nuclei and their nearly 200 constituent protons and neutrons, scientists take a shotgun approach to the problem of initiating contact between quantum-scale targets. A collision can produce thousands of particles. “It’s like trying to reconstruct a firecracker from the debris,” said Gene Van Buren, co-leader of STAR’s computing group.

The strong force, which binds quarks together into protons and neutrons and those objects into atomic nuclei, is conveyed through the exchange of gluons. But the equations that describe the strong force are so difficult to solve that physicists do not have a complete understanding of quark-gluon dynamics. For example, quark-gluon plasma droplets form much faster than expected during collisions. For RHIC’s 15th run, which began Feb. 10, scientists have upgraded the PHENIX detector with a new tungsten-silicon hybrid tracking device to help detect radiation from gluons deep inside the colliding particles. “One idea is that we have the wrong picture of gluon distribution,” explained PHENIX scientist Barbara Jacak, who is a professor of physics at the University of California, Berkeley. A super-dense gluon “field,” rather than discrete gluons, might permeate the protons, she said.

As the world’s only polarized proton collider, RHIC also aims to address what’s known as the “spin crisis,” an unresolved question concerning a property of particles called “spin.” A proton’s three quarks only account for one-fifth of its spin, suggesting the lion’s share comes from the spins of gluons and from quarks and gluons orbiting one another. By colliding protons as they spin in a range of directions, scientists hope to identify the spins and orbits of their component parts.

The future of RHIC, which employs 850 people and costs the Department of Energy about $160 million annually, is uncertain. In a 2012 white paper making the case for continued operations, scientists argued that “RHIC is in its prime” with new upgrades poised to answer key questions in nuclear physics. Yet a panel of scientists recommended shuttering the collider in the stead of two other nuclear physics facilities vying for the same funding. So far, all three laboratories have made the cut, yet every run of RHIC could be its last.

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The Original Star Trek, "The Cage"

1st Words ever spoken by Leonard Nimoy as Spock.

NOTE: THIS pilot episode did not air during the original run of the series. It was rejected by the studio and they taped a new one.


Thirteen years before James T. Kirk takes command of the U.S.S. Enterprise, Captain Christopher Pike and his starship crew receive a distress signal from the planet Talos IV and beam down to investigate.

Tracking the beacon, the landing party discovers crash survivors from a missing scientific expedition; among the survivors is a beautiful human female, Vina. Pike is concerned for the woman's safety, yet allows himself to become distracted by her beauty and is subsequently captured by the Talosians who live beneath the planet's surface.

The distress signal and expedition survivors, except for Vina, are revealed to be but illusions created by the Talosians to lure the Enterprise and Pike to the planet.

(Not sure how this video was obtained--all words, all letters are reversed..... )

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« Reply #12509 on: Apr 6th, 2015, 3:15pm »

Spock's dialog seems very rushed as if they were trying to emphasize his logical no nonsense Vulcan side. Reminded me of a young soldier responding to questions from a drill sergeant. I'm glad they modified it in later episodes.
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