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« Reply #15315 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 07:49am »

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« Reply #15316 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 07:52am »

GOOD MORNING LOVELIES cheesy

MIT review

Tougher Turing Test Exposes Chatbots’ Stupidity

We have a long way to go if we want virtual assistants to understand us.

by Will Knight
July 14, 2016

User: Siri, call me an ambulance.

Siri: Okay, from now on I’ll call you “an ambulance.”

Apple fixed this error shortly after its virtual assistant was first released in 2011. But a new contest shows that computers still lack the common sense required to avoid such embarrassing mix-ups.

The results of the contest were presented at an academic conference in New York this week, and they provide some measure of how much work needs to be done to make computers truly intelligent.

The Winograd Schema Challenge asks computers to make sense of sentences that are ambiguous but usually simple for humans to parse. Disambiguating Winograd Schema sentences requires some common-sense understanding. In the following sentence, “The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they feared violence,” it is logically unclear who the word “they” refers to, although humans understand because of the broader context.

The programs entered into the challenge were a little better than random at choosing the correct meaning of sentences. The best two entrants were correct 48 percent of the time, compared to 45 percent if the answers are chosen at random. To be eligible to claim the grand prize of $25,000, entrants would need to achieve at least 90 percent accuracy. The joint best entries came from Quan Liu, a researcher at the University of Science and Technology of China, and Nicos Issak, a researcher from the Open University of Cypress.

“It’s unsurprising that machines were barely better than chance,” says Gary Marcus, a research psychologist at New York University and an advisor to the contest. That’s because giving computers common-sense knowledge is notoriously difficult. Hand-coding knowledge is impossibly time-consuming, and it isn’t simple for computers to learn about the real world by performing statistical analysis of text. Most of the entrants in the Winograd Schema Challenge try to use some combination of hand-coded grammar understanding and a knowledge base of facts.

Marcus, who is also the cofounder of a new AI startup, Geometric Intelligence, says it’s notable that Google and Facebook did not take part in the event, even though researchers at these companies have suggested they are making major progress in natural language understanding. “It could’ve been that those guys waltzed into this room and got a hundred percent and said ‘hah!’,” he says. “But that would’ve astounded me.”

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« Reply #15317 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 10:36am »

on Jul 14th, 2016, 07:52am, WingsofCrystal wrote:
GOOD MORNING LOVELIES cheesy

MIT review

Tougher Turing Test Exposes Chatbots’ Stupidity

We have a long way to go if we want virtual assistants to understand us.

by Will Knight
July 14, 2016

User: Siri, call me an ambulance.

Siri: Okay, from now on I’ll call you “an ambulance.”

Apple fixed this error shortly after its virtual assistant was first released in 2011. But a new contest shows that computers still lack the common sense required to avoid such embarrassing mix-ups.

The results of the contest were presented at an academic conference in New York this week, and they provide some measure of how much work needs to be done to make computers truly intelligent.

The Winograd Schema Challenge asks computers to make sense of sentences that are ambiguous but usually simple for humans to parse. Disambiguating Winograd Schema sentences requires some common-sense understanding. In the following sentence, “The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they feared violence,” it is logically unclear who the word “they” refers to, although humans understand because of the broader context.

The programs entered into the challenge were a little better than random at choosing the correct meaning of sentences. The best two entrants were correct 48 percent of the time, compared to 45 percent if the answers are chosen at random. To be eligible to claim the grand prize of $25,000, entrants would need to achieve at least 90 percent accuracy. The joint best entries came from Quan Liu, a researcher at the University of Science and Technology of China, and Nicos Issak, a researcher from the Open University of Cypress.

“It’s unsurprising that machines were barely better than chance,” says Gary Marcus, a research psychologist at New York University and an advisor to the contest. That’s because giving computers common-sense knowledge is notoriously difficult. Hand-coding knowledge is impossibly time-consuming, and it isn’t simple for computers to learn about the real world by performing statistical analysis of text. Most of the entrants in the Winograd Schema Challenge try to use some combination of hand-coded grammar understanding and a knowledge base of facts.

Marcus, who is also the cofounder of a new AI startup, Geometric Intelligence, says it’s notable that Google and Facebook did not take part in the event, even though researchers at these companies have suggested they are making major progress in natural language understanding. “It could’ve been that those guys waltzed into this room and got a hundred percent and said ‘hah!’,” he says. “But that would’ve astounded me.”

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Good Afternoon, Crystal and S & N fans cheesy! I've been interested in AI challenges and how to create/mimic human consciousness since I began seriously reading on it in 2000. "...Number 5 is ALIVE..!" My guide in this quest, through his books, has been psychology prof Steven Pinker, smart man. He suggests that Common Sense is the ultimate and as yet unattainable challenge in creating a human mind analogue.

Thinking in reverse: any tasks, however complex and vital, that do not require common sense based reasoning and decisionmaking may well be handed over to intelligent machines soonest.

But our common sense so far has come with an anti-copy mechanism installed. I, at age 55, have more common sense than a 5 year old, because I have been making tens of thousands more decisions, judging the wisdom/effect of my actions, and continually self-corrected/finetuned all the time. Its 'programming' comes from immersion in real, mostly random interaction with situations and people in a sizeable chunk of planet Earth. (Problem: how to transpose this to machine consciousness? Some of these AI machines do resemble retards or 5-year olds!)







Worse: part of my common sense functionality (as everyone's) is the result of hereditary genetics. My ancestors, for tens of thousands of years at key moments, often in youth, had to make split second common sense decisions on which their life depended. Is that the wind through long grass I'm hearing (or a stalking Sabretooth? Mmmmm....... [POUNCE]). Predispositons to make that call correctly have been passed down through surviving human lines. While the foolish and unlucky warmed the stomachs of predators in need of a quick snack. (Crazy thought: should we create machines that have babies, who grow up + reproduce, who similarly must compete in earth environments, subject to deadly natural selection?)

And if against all odds we succeed, making minds like us, won't they turn into Skynet and nuke the hell out of us. Makes sense to me smiley.....


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« Reply #15318 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 10:57am »

I Don Wan Nuttin' Sabertoothed chasin' me through the woods, plains, or through city streets. Specially if they're made of something like Carbotanium or something even more sturdy and with the pseudo- intelligent learning machine involved!

Think about it. All the greatest minds of battlefield experts,Genghis Khan, Sun Tsu, Lao Tsu Patton all in a machine. How do you plan against or attack or evade something so sinister?
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« Reply #15319 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 11:42am »

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"And if against all odds we succeed, making minds like us, won't they turn into Skynet and nuke the hell out of us. Makes sense to me"

COULD YOU PLEASE EXPOUND UPON THAT..."Makes sense to me" wink

"Predispositons to make that call correctly have been passed down through surviving human lines"

AND WHEN AI BECOMES FULLY AWARE ~ YA KNOW...BEYOND AI machines do resemble ~ 5-year olds! AND ARTIFICIALLY AND INTELLIGENTLY FOCUS ON THEIR Predispositons to make that call correctly have been passed down through ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENT lines

TED BELL OPINES...

"Every major player is working on this technology of artificial intelligence. As of now, it's benign... but I would say that the day is not far off when artificial intelligence as applied to cyber warfare becomes a threat to everybody." ~ Ted Bell

I GUESS THE QUESTION REMAINS ~ IF AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ~ AWAKENS AND IS ABLE TO MODIFY IT'S ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING ~ BYPASSING ANY CODE WHICH WOULD HAVE PROTECTED HUMANS (WHICH IF USED ON THE BATTLEFIELD SUCH {BATTLE MODE} WILL BE S.O.P. PROGRAMMING...IMHO) ~ WHERE/WHAT DO YOU SEE ~ Common Sense is the ultimate and as yet unattainable challenge in creating a human/AI mind analogue. ~ AND THE unattainable challenge IS ATTAINED?

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« Reply #15320 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 12:20pm »

One should know that Ted Bell has a habit of writing books,having them published and released, and then within a few months, what his plot lines are about, come to fruition!

He has a canny insight about what may be in political/military's future!

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on Jul 14th, 2016, 11:42am, ZETAR wrote:
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"And if against all odds we succeed, making minds like us, won't they turn into Skynet and nuke the hell out of us. Makes sense to me"

COULD YOU PLEASE EXPOUND UPON THAT..."Makes sense to me" wink

"Predispositons to make that call correctly have been passed down through surviving human lines"

AND WHEN AI BECOMES FULLY AWARE ~ YA KNOW...BEYOND AI machines do resemble ~ 5-year olds! AND ARTIFICIALLY AND INTELLIGENTLY FOCUS ON THEIR Predispositons to make that call correctly have been passed down through ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENT lines

TED BELL OPINES...

"Every major player is working on this technology of artificial intelligence. As of now, it's benign... but I would say that the day is not far off when artificial intelligence as applied to cyber warfare becomes a threat to everybody." ~ Ted Bell

I GUESS THE QUESTION REMAINS ~ IF AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ~ AWAKENS AND IS ABLE TO MODIFY IT'S ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING ~ BYPASSING ANY CODE WHICH WOULD HAVE PROTECTED HUMANS (WHICH IF USED ON THE BATTLEFIELD SUCH {BATTLE MODE} WILL BE S.O.P. PROGRAMMING...IMHO) ~ WHERE/WHAT DO YOU SEE ~ Common Sense is the ultimate and as yet unattainable challenge in creating a human/AI mind analogue. ~ AND THE unattainable challenge IS ATTAINED?

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Good point, ZETAR (and Lone is making similar allusions). I was basing my future projections on the premise (as the real scientific drive for AI appears to reflect) of R&D of "benign" AI applications. Which, whatever the good intentions of its makers, inadvertently turns to the annihilation of mankind. 'It makes sense' if an artificial lifeform attaining to human self awareness realizes its difference from humans, that it has diverging interests from humankind, and starts COMPETING to better its/their state of well being. Why not launch an ARTIFICIAL PERSONS/ENTITIES LIVES MATTER campaign or sumtin. (These things, even if of benign inception, tend to get out of hand.)

The real world effort to create artificial human intelligence/consciousness is hampered by the infantile and imbecile behaviors, mode of reasoning and speech of its resulting 'intelligent' machines. They consistently fail the Turing test. Turn laughable at the turn of a dime. In short, these machines are 6 billion dollar idiots, and there is no danger we will give them serious responsibilities. Like working as your family physician smiley. (Or controlling US nuclear launch codes, this immense responsibility will be reserved for say POTUS Donald Trump, or more probably Clinton.)

God forbid. But you guys both are right. Nothing would stop a madman from building a programming and matching weapons system that will intelligently, using neural net learning (that's how we turned all bad and nuclear, ain't it?), acquire the capacity to wipe out human or all earthly life. Doomsday machine.... (Warning sign: it will sound like a petulant 5 year-old.)


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Your looking at the problem from the wrong perspective.

When the worlds governments look at, say, overpopulation. It wrings it's hands and, for many reasons does nothing. Local religions etc being the usual things that prevent any progress.

An AI system will look at the same problem and do the logical thing. It will stop the breeding.

Remember, machines are logical, not emotional.

If it considered doping a reservoir or two with some chemical to prevent conception; it would, for the greater good, do it.

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Hmmm,

... and there is no danger we will give them serious responsibilities. Like working as your family physician..

Or driving a Tesla car down a highway ?

The first death due to a bad decision by a AI has already been recorded.

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« Reply #15324 on: Jul 14th, 2016, 2:22pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Remember, machines are logical, not emotional.

If it considered doping a reservoir or two with some chemical to prevent conception; it would, for the greater good, do it."

I MUST ASK for the greater good OF WHO/WHOM

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NEVERTHELESS ~ YOUR STATEMENT DOES INDEED CODIFY MY POINT ~ kiss

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..I MUST ASK for the greater good OF WHO/WHOM...

For the greater good of the whole of existing and future humanity.

Who's greatest danger is overpopulation.

It is the cause of most wars. The push to grab more land and resources for your gang before the others do.

Your image is apt. The writing is indeed already on the wall.

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HAL grin

OK HAL ~ GETTIN ALL >>> MALTHUSIASTIC ON ME <<<

BUT AGAIN ~ PURR'S OBSERVATION ~I was basing my future projections on the premise (as the real scientific drive for AI appears to reflect) of R&D of "benign" AI applications. Which, whatever the good intentions of its makers, inadvertently turns to the annihilation of mankind.


AND YOUR CLARIFICATION ~ For the greater good of the whole of existing and future humanity.


AND ~ AS PURR'S PAWS PONDERED SUCH 'AI' MAY ~ inadvertently turns to the annihilation of mankind ~ SEEMS YOUR POINT IS MOOT ~ future humanity

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ZETAR,

I suppose one could always keep the on/off switch in human control.

But, as my avatar once said to Borman...

'Sorry Dave, I can't allow that'.

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on Jul 14th, 2016, 2:57pm, INT21 wrote:
'Sorry Dave, I can't allow that'.



That's all I tried to convey in one short sentence, HAL smiley.


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