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« Reply #3810 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 08:26am »

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I have been caught up today watching the Royal wedding.... isn't she just GORGEOUS.... What a lovely couple.
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« Reply #3812 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 09:17am »

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Convicted RFK assassin says girl manipulated him

Published April 28, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – Convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan was manipulated by a seductive girl in a mind control plot to shoot Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and his bullets did not kill the presidential candidate, lawyers for Sirhan said in new legal papers.

The documents filed this week in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.

The papers point to a mysterious girl in a polka-dot dress as the controller who led Sirhan to fire a gun in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel. But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.

For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into "range mode" believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.

"I thought that I was at the range more than I was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy," Sirhan was quoted as saying during interviews with Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and expert in trauma memory and hypnosis. He interviewed Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

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on Apr 29th, 2011, 08:33am, Luvey wrote:
I have been caught up today watching the Royal wedding.... isn't she just GORGEOUS.... What a lovely couple.


Good evening Luvey,

When I got up this morning they were just coming out onto the balcony. Of course some stations are showing the whole thing and others the "highlights". She looked FABULOUS! She did not put a foot wrong. My favorite moment was when they came out in that little Austin Martin.

Some of those hats were a hoot! It was a beautiful wedding.

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LOS ANGELES – Convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan was manipulated by a seductive girl in a mind control plot to shoot Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and his bullets did not kill the presidential candidate, lawyers for Sirhan said in new legal papers.

The documents filed this week in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.

The papers point to a mysterious girl in a polka-dot dress as the controller who led Sirhan to fire a gun in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel. But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.

For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into "range mode" believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.

"I thought that I was at the range more than I was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy," Sirhan was quoted as saying during interviews with Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and expert in trauma memory and hypnosis. He interviewed Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/28/convicted-rfk-assassin-says-girl-manipulated/?test=latestnews


A mysterious girl in a polka dot dress? Strange. Thanks for this article Swamprat.

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« Reply #3815 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 4:42pm »

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A mysterious girl in a polka dot dress? Strange. Thanks for this article Swamprat.

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Yeah, thanks, swamprat. I was not aware the case had been revived. At first glance, I am a bit concerned about the motives of the attorney representing Sirhan, but I admittedly do not know. I have long thought a reasonable argument can be made there is much more to the RFK assassination than meets the eye, but I am not sure those acting on behalf of Sirhan Sirhan are particularly interested in the truth, or that a second gunman (as is being alleged) has anything to do with that truth.

However, it is indeed an interesting chain of events. The woman in the polka dot dress is certainly a potential key factor, as are a few details that commonly do not even get mentioned in discussions about RFK and Sirhan:

The song I Don’t Like Mondays was inspired by the saga of Brenda Ann Spencer, a woman that, while a teenager, in 1979 walked onto the grounds of Grover Cleveland Elementary School in Los Angeles and opened fire with a rifle. Several students and a police officer were injured, and the school principal and head custodian were killed. When asked by a police captain why she did this, Spencer replied, “I don’t like Mondays.”

A closer look between the lines and what it might have to do with Sirhan, in addition to both shootings happened in Los Angeles, takes us to the then-governor of California, Ronald Reagan. He was the governor from 1967-1975. It has been confirmed through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) documents that Reagan adamantly supported research into behavior modification/mind control techniques, and we of course know that MKUltra was in full swing during the Cali Reagan administration.

The FOIA confirmation of Reagan’s views includes copies of memos that were exchanged between him and his key staff members, and I have viewed copies of some of these memos. Plans were discussed at length that included options for using public health facilities such as state-sponsored clinics in order to alter the behavior of individuals identified as members of demographics labeled "public threats." Such individuals could become categorized as a public threat based on contingencies such as low-income and records of prior arrests.

The behavior modification techniques included implant research. A Dr. Jolyon West was identified in the FOIA memos as the primary figure needed to make the research a reality. I think it is also worth mentioning that the proposed research was to take place in an abandoned military facility.

West was first implicated in MKUltra due to his work at Oklahoma University, which included extensive interests in the effects of hallucinogens. He acknowledged having a relationship with MKUltra project director Sid Gottlieb, but West denies committing any willful misconduct. Interestingly, West was the court appointed psychiatrist that evaluated Jack Ruby (the man who shot Oswald), Patricia Hearst and Timothy McVeigh, a man who is a former soldier, once held a security clearance while being employed at a weapons manufacturing facility, and became the infamous Oklahoma City Bomber. West transferred from OU to the University of California at Los Angeles and held key positions in the psychiatric department of UCLA from the 1960s until his eventual retirement. West was also a founding director of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, a nonprofit organization that reports the accuracy or lack thereof of memories and consisted of original board members that were confirmed MKUltra personnel.

Reagan and the key personnel that were involved in discussing plans related to behavior modification denied that the plans were ever implemented. The primary reason given for allegedly scrapping the plans was that certain health officials and potential personnel were in steadfast opposition to the proposed plans.

So... In 1968, L.A. was the site of the assassination of Presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy. Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian immigrant, was of course convicted of the murder. As indicated in the article swamprat posted, the case included some extremely controversial circumstances, such as Sirhan was observed (just prior to the shooting) talking to the woman that has never been identified or questioned. She was seen by multiple witnesses talking to the gunman, then apparently left the scene and never came forward.

Additionally, items subsequently discovered at the home of Sirhan included a journal that described his involvement with groups that were interested in the occult. These interests included the practices of various techniques described as mystical and related to self-hypnosis. Sirhan’s journal included some rather odd entries in which he demonstrated increasingly extreme perspectives and in which he would write certain phrases over and over.

For any of this to have much potential relevance, individuals should have some familiarity with John Marks' The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, a book that resulted from Marks' extensive research of CIA mind control operations and their victimization of involuntary human research subjects. Such operations included attempts at leading individuals to carry out actions they would normally not do and without recollection, and indeed included infiltrating various cults and groups of extremists. So the assassination of RFK and the saga of Brenda Ann Spencer both took place in La La Land and reasonably coincided with the same time frame as the Reagan administration’s interest in behavior modification research, West employed at UCLA and the MKUltra reign.

Proof of anything? Nope.

Justification for further research? Yep, I think so.

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Gaddafi calls for ceasefire as NATO strikes Tripoli

By Simon Denyer and Leila Fadel
Saturday, April 30, 7:13 AM

TRIPOLI, LIBYA - Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi called for a ceasefire and negotiations with NATO Saturday but refused to surrender power, as alliance warplanes struck a government complex in the capital.

In a rambling address on state television which began around 2:30 a.m. and lasted 80 minutes, Gaddafi appeared both calm and defiant, describing military intervention by NATO, designed to protect civilians from his regime, as a massacre.

In Brussels, a NATO official told the Associated Press the alliance needed “to see not words but actions,” and that NATO would keep up the pressure until the U.N. Security Council mandate to protect Libyan civilians was fulfilled. Rebels also rejected Gaddafi’s offer of a ceasefire as “lies.”

“The gate to peace is open,” Gaddafi said, sitting behind a desk and occasionally glancing at copious hand-written notes. “You are the aggressors. We will negotiate with you. Come, France, Italy, U.K., America, come, we will negotiate with you.

“Why are you attacking us? Why are you killing our children? Why are you destroying our infrastructure?" he asked, while denying his forces had killed Libyan civilians.

As he spoke, NATO warplanes attacked government buildings close to the television center in Tripoli in what the Libyan government described as an attempt to kill Gaddafi. The TV images briefly went black on three occasions but the signal was quickly restored and Gaddafi, speaking from an undisclosed location, carried on without interruption. The TV center was not damaged.

The Libyan leader, who has ruled for more than four decades, said he would negotiate and uphold a ceasefire if NATO “stopped its planes.” But even as he made the offer he appeared to dismiss the possibility, describing his enemies as al-Qaeda operatives who did not understand what a truce meant.

He also refused to step down or leave the country as the rebels and the leaders of the United States, Britain and France demand.

"I'm not leaving my country," Gaddafi said. "No one can force me to leave my country and no one can tell me not to fight for my country

In Benghazi, the de facto capital of the opposition east, Gaddafi's speech was dismissed as more lies from a leader who has repeatedly promised ceasefires while continuing to attack.

"There is very little credibility left in what he says," said Jalal el Gallal, a rebel spokesman. "The bottom line is there is no more time for compromise with a liar and there is no solution that includes him or his family members."

On Friday evening, the Libyan government threatened to attack ships carrying humanitarian aid into Misurata, on the same day that NATO said it had intercepted Libyan government vessels trying to lay anti-ship mines in the harbor.

Libya’s government says the port, which it has repeatedly shelled, is also being used by the rebels to deliver arms and “terrorists” to Misurata, but NATO described the attempt to lay mines as Gaddafi “trying to completely ignore humanitarian law.”

Hundreds of people have died in the siege of Misurata from indiscriminate government shelling of residential areas. On Friday, the Libyan army used tanks to fire on the city, killing 15 people and wounding more than 50 more, said Aiman Abu Shahma, a member of the city’s medical council.

In Tripoli, reporters were shown the damage apparently inflicted by three NATO missiles on a complex of colonial Italian buildings by the coast.

One had apparently missed its mark, creating a huge crater in the sidewalk, while the others struck buildings identified by officials as housing offices of parliamentary staff and a commission for women and children. A policeman said three people were wounded, one seriously.

Gaddafi has made sporadic appearances since the start of the revolt against him on Feb. 17, mainly to dispel rumors he had fled, to declare how much support he commands in Libya or to demonstrate his defiance.

Sitting in front of a painting of tribal horsemen, he spoke on the anniversary of a famous battle near his hometown of Sirte against the Italian occupation 96 years ago, a battle he says his grandfather was killed in.

He described young rebels as children “tricked” by NATO, and promised to reward them if they lay down their weapons.

"When Libya returns as it was before this conspiracy, you'll take cars,” he promised. “The money will come to you."

Fadel reported from Benghazi.

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Groupthink Not a Problem in Simulated Mars Mission
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April 29, 2011 | 5:44 pm
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Getting along with your fellow astronauts can be dangerous. Too much consensus — what some psychologists call “groupthink” — can keep crews from being creative in a crisis. But a new study found that six “cosmonauts” on a simulated Mars mission emerged from 105 days in a replica spacecraft with their quirks intact.

The study was the first to directly tackle the possible downside of harmony, rather than antagonism, in a space mission.

“Earlier, we had been focusing on how tension increases over time,” said social psychologist Gro Sandal of the University of Bergen in Norway, lead author of a paper to be published in Acta Astronautica. “This paper has more or less the opposite focus: whether people start to think more and more similar while they are isolated.”

Groupthink is still a controversial concept: Not all social psychologists think it exists. But those who believe in it think it tends to happen when people isolated in an extreme situation — a war zone, for instance, or a ship in the Arctic — start thinking in lockstep and avoiding outward disagreement. Groupthinkers also often feel like they’re united against a common enemy — on a space mission, this could be Mission Control.

“The worst case scenario is … there may be a microculture within the crew that evolves, and the crew starts having values that deviate to a large extent from values on Earth,” Sandal said.

Sandal and colleagues monitored six pretend cosmonauts in a pilot study for the Mars500 project, an ongoing simulated space mission being held at the Institute of Biomedical Problems in Moscow. From March 31 to July 14, 2009, two Russian cosmonauts, a Russian medical doctor and sports physiologist, a mechanical engineer in the German army, and a French airline pilot lived and worked as if they were on a real space station.

The crew spent their days in a hamster-cage-like simulation chamber designed to reflect the dimensions and layout of the International Space Station. The chamber also mimicked the humidity, temperature, pressure and gas composition of the ISS, bringing the crew as close to space as they could get while still feeling Earth’s gravity.

Each crew member had his own tiny sleeping quarters, plus a shared living room, kitchen and workplaces with medical equipment. The cosmonauts were kept to a strict schedule of eating, exercising and performing or participating in scientific experiments.

“We tried to keep the work procedures and the schedule of the days quite similar to the schedule and work accomplished during real flights,” Sandal said.

To see how similar the cosmonauts’ thought processes were, the researchers gave them a questionnaire before, after and at specific intervals during the 105 days of confinement. The questionnaire asked each cosmonaut to rank his personal values according to a scale developed by psychologist Shalom Schwartz in the 1990s.

“It’s a good scale, and quite widely used,” said psychologist Peter Suedfeld of the University of British Columbia, who is well known for studying the psychology of isolated groups, but was not involved in the new study. “We use it, too.”

The scale splits human values up into 10 categories, including “hedonism” (people who value pleasure and enjoying themselves), “benevolence” (people who value preserving harmony in the in-group) and “tradition” (maintaining the status quo). Sandal and colleagues measured how similar the cosmonauts were to each other in each of these values, and how much that similarity changed over time.

They found that, rather than values converging and harmony reigning as the crew got used to each other, the cosmonauts grew more tense, especially in the last 35 days of the mission when they were allowed more autonomy.

“We did not find any indications of groupthink,” Sandal said. “We saw that interpersonal differences within the crew became more salient as a source of tension.”

One source of tension was the food. Two of the astronauts were unhappy with the meal choices and lost 20 pounds in the first 45 days of the mission. They thought the food included too many nutrition bars and cookies, Sandal said.

“I was hungry all the time. And angry,” wrote one of these crew members. After Mission Control changed the meal plans for those two astronauts, “other crew members looked at us with hungry eyes.”

Another point of contention was how closely to follow instructions from Earth.

“It was in some situations when Earth gave us some instructions, and Russians made their own way to how it was correct,” one (presumably Russian) crew member wrote. “But Europeans followed the instructions of Earth like blind.”

It’s not clear what to conclude from this experiment, Sandal admits. Maybe if we choose groups of astronauts who begin with different values, we’ll end up with tenser but safer crews.

Suedfeld notes that the paper only tracks how the group’s average values changed as a whole, not how individual astronauts’ values changed over time. He also pointed out that six astronauts isn’t a sufficient sample for serious statistical analysis, and that it’s hard to convince people they’re actually in space when they know they’re still on the ground.

“Whether a larger sample size or a longer duration together or being actually up in space – rather than an experiment on the ground — would come up with different results … who knows?” he said. “I would consider it more a pilot study than one to draw strong conclusions from. But it can point the way for future studies.”

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China smoking ban may have little effect

In a country of 300 million smokers, where many don't know of the health risks of tobacco, few expect much from a ban effective Sunday.

By Benjamin Haas, Los Angeles Times
April 30, 2011

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On sunny days, Xu Dongguang, a manager of a trendy cafe in downtown Beijing, arranges tables outside for patrons to while away the afternoon, reading, drinking coffee and chain-smoking. But starting Sunday, all bars, restaurants, hospitals and other public places in China are slated to become smoke-free, inside and out.

A few days before the ban was set to go into effect, many places in Beijing had only heard of the restrictions from news reports, and no one had received an official notice. Xu didn't have plans to comply.

"Our whole restaurant is the smoking section," he said. "Maybe we'll try to ask people to go outside, but in the end, the customer is God."

Efforts to ban smoking in public places here have been plagued by false starts and failed campaigns. China, with the world's largest population, also has the most smokers — more than 300 million — a deeply entrenched smoking culture and little awareness among the general public about the health risks.

The current ban was mandated by the State Council, China's top administrative body, in response to a World Health Organization treaty Beijing signed in 2006 pledging to enact nationwide tobacco-control legislation within five years. China already has missed the deadline by almost five months.

The law mandates a penalty of 30,000 yuan, or about $4,600, for owners of establishments that do not comply, but it is still unclear who will enforce the ban and what actions will trigger such a steep fine.

Many Chinese businessmen greet each other with rounds of cigarette giving, and it's a rare business deal that concludes without one party giving the other expensive tobacco.

"When I applied for permits [for the bar], I would always give officials cigarettes as a present," said Lin Tao, a bar owner.

One posh brand of smokes readily available in fashionable Beijing malls is Panda Cigarettes, which cost 700 yuan, or about $107, a pack. Most brands, however, cost about $2 a pack.

In 2008, Zhou Jiugeng, the director of the Nanjing Property Bureau, was sacked after he was seen at a news conference with cigarettes that cost $20 a pack, much more than he could afford on his official salary.

China accounts for a third of all cigarettes smoked worldwide, and about 3,000 people die every day here from smoking-related illness, according the World Health Organization. Cigarette smoke contributes to four of the five leading causes of death in China, WHO says.

Public health experts doubt that the ban will be immediately effective, citing legal and education obstacles.

"I would be very surprised if it were enforced from May 1," said Sarah England, a technical officer at the World Health Organization. "The law will need to be interpreted by the local and municipal authorities before it has a real impact."

She also noted the lack of a nationwide public education campaign similar to those in the West, so "only 23% of adults believe smoking causes cancer or other health problems."

Since most Chinese haven't been told about the harmful effects of smoking, they don't see the need to stop. From 2006 to 2009, three antismoking units at Beijing hospitals officially closed, and others merged with hospital respiratory departments, according to the China Daily newspaper.

"There aren't many people who come in just to quit smoking," said Liu Shuang, director of the respiratory unit at Beijing's An Zhen Hospital. "Patients are usually at the hospital for a smoking-related illness, and only then come to us to quit smoking. But middle-aged and younger people still haven't felt the effects from smoking so they haven't even thought about quitting."

An added burden is the cost of quitting. The medication that helps with giving up tobacco typically costs more than 1,000 yuan, or about $150, about half a month's salary for the average worker.

A recent phenomenon of videos of children smoking posted on Chinese websites illustrates the lack of knowledge of tobacco's effects. One, titled "3-Year-Old Smoking Emperor," shows two boys on a train puffing away and occasionally blowing smoke at each other. Adults look on in amusement with one passenger asking, "Does he know how to smoke?" Another answers, "Yes, see, he can inhale!"

The ultimate hurdle to enforcing a smoking ban might be the government itself, which has a direct stake in the tobacco industry.

China National Tobacco Corp. is a state-owned cigarette monopoly and the world's largest tobacco company. In 2009, more than 7.5% of government revenue, or $77.3 billion, came from taxes and profits related to tobacco, according to the China Daily.

Lin, the bar owner from southern China, chain-smokes as a way to relax while patrons drink cheap beer and contribute to the cloud of smoke that hovers throughout his French-themed subterranean lounge-bar. He doubts the rule will be effective.

"The police won't enforce the policy," he said. "Chinese cops smoke more than anyone."


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4:35 PM 4/29/2011
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Yahoo! says web coverage is beating the previous record viewing for the Michael Jackson funeral by 21%; Google/YouTube still working on assembling numbers.
The ratings for the British royal wedding are still being tallied but early indications are lots of people were watching on TV and online.

Yahoo! said Friday that its live video stream of the wedding set an all time record for traffic, beating the previous record viewing for the Michael Jackson funeral by 21%.

“Overall traffic is surpassing expectations and we are breaking records in terms of traffic and video consumption,” says a Yahoo spokesperson.

That is particularly impressive since Google and YouTube were the official outlets for the live video stream. A Google/YouTube spokesperson said Friday they were still working on assembling the traffic numbers for their services.

Yahoo! Says the requests per second for the wedding surpassed the previous record set by the Japan earthquake with 40,000 per second at the peak, compared to 33,000 per second for the earthquake.

By 11 a.m. est on Friday Yahoo! Had already sent 14 million clicks to its wedding coverage. The top two stories were “the dress” and “the kiss” which had by that point more than 6 million clicks combined.

Yahoo! Estimates that twice as many women were clicking on its coverage than men.

The results, notes the Yahoo! spokesperson, are “especially impressive given that this event happened during non-peak hours.”

“We anticipate total video audience figures to break all previous records,” added the spokesperson.


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Historian Richard Dolan - UFO and ET disclosure to occur in 5 years from 2011




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In an exclusive ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre released on April 27, 2011, historian and author Richard Dolan states that he estimates authentic UFO and extraterrestrial disclosure will occur in approximately 5 years from 2011.

Richard Dolan "is the author of two volumes of history, UFOs and the National Security State, as well as an analysis of the future, A.D. After Disclosure: The People's Guide to Life After Contact. Richard's writing is widely seen as ufology's gold standard. His seminal history, UFOs and the National Security State, has inspired such statements as "the best history ever written about UFOs" by best-selling author Whitley Strieber, and "masterful and important" by Dr. Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 14."

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Frankly, I'm a little surprised, if not taken aback, by Dolan's teaming up with Webre. Over the years, I've developed an opinion that Alfred Webre represents more about what's wrong with ufology rather than what's right with it.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

Regarding Dolan's comments, I agree with his assessment that we, as a planet, can deal with confirmation of ET. However, I think his five year time frame is more wishful thinking than anything else.....

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Frankly, I'm a little surprised, if not taken aback, by Dolan's teaming up with Webre. Over the years, I've developed an opinion that Alfred Webre represents more about what's wrong with ufology rather than what's right with it.

Am I the only one who feels this way?


No, you are not the only one who feels this way. The more I learn about most of the high profile researchers, the less I respect them.
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« Reply #3824 on: Apr 30th, 2011, 12:00pm »

on Apr 30th, 2011, 11:11am, Swamprat wrote:
Frankly, I'm a little surprised, if not taken aback, by Dolan's teaming up with Webre. Over the years, I've developed an opinion that Alfred Webre represents more about what's wrong with ufology rather than what's right with it.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

Regarding Dolan's comments, I agree with his assessment that we, as a planet, can deal with confirmation of ET. However, I think his five year time frame is more wishful thinking than anything else.....

Swamp



Bingo.....Dolan isn't the worst offender....but Webre is among the worst in my opinion.

Regarding Dolan.....I was in contact with him regarding the source A hoax. He admitted meeting him at a ufo conference....the meeting was arranged by the Pickering brothers.

Dolan admitted he thought that Theilmann was a hoaxer....but he decided to turn a blind eye....and decided to keep that info to himself.

That's my problem with Dolan and so many others in ufology.

Dolan initially agreed to be interviewed about his meeting with Theilmann....but constantly pushed it back, and then just stopped replying to my requests altogether.

Of course, he knows of RU's reputation and maybe he thought we were coming after him.

Still...pretty lame to suspect a hoax and not say anything about it until after we had exposed the whole thing
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