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Chief Sponsor Wavers on Web Censorship Bill in Charged Hearing
By David Kravets
November 16, 2011 | 5:19 pm
Categories: intellectual property, politics

Legislation that would prevent Americans from visiting websites the government claims are violating copyright rules had a tumultuous first hearing Wednesday, with its main sponsor unexpectedly expressing reservations over the bill’s scope.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), one the chief sponsors of the bill, expressed uncertainty over allowing the Justice Department to obtain court orders demanding that American ISPs prevent users from visiting blacklisted websites. ISPs receiving such orders would have to alter records in the net’s system for looking up website names, known as DNS.

The House bill also allows the Justice Department to order search sites like Google to remove an allegedly “rogue” site from its search results.

“I’m not a technical expert on this,” the chairman of the committee said, adding moments later: “I’m trying to ferret this out.” When he introduced the package last month, however, he pronounced that the bill was needed because “Rogue websites that steal and sell American innovations have operated with impunity.”

In a marathon, 3.5-hour hearing before the 38-member House Judiciary Committee, lawmakers debated among themselves and with a panel of six witnesses, five of which favored the Stop Online Piracy Act. The committee took no immediate action, but it was apparent that the 79-page measure is likely to be amended, in no small part, due to a backlash from the tech community.

Much of the package is similar to a stalled Senate measure known as the Protect IP Act.

Both proposals amount to the holy grail of intellectual-property enforcement that the recording industry, movie studios and their union and guild workforces have been clamoring for since the George W. Bush administration under the theory that online copyright infringement is destroying American jobs.

Smith, who said “everybody in this panel is committed to fighting piracy,” noted commentary from internet security experts concerned over the fallout if the Justice Department begins ordering American internet service providers to stop giving out the correct DNS entry for an infringing website under the .com, .org and .net domains.

Putting false information into the DNS system — the equivalent of the net’s phonebook — would be ineffective, frustrate security initiatives and lead to software workarounds, according to a paper co-signed by security experts Steve Crocker of Shinkuro, David Dagon of Georgia Tech, Dan Kaminsky of DKH, Danny McPherson of Verisign and Paul Vixie of Internet Systems Consortium.

“These actions would threaten the Domain Name System’s ability to provide universal naming, a primary source of the internet’s value as a single, unified, global communications network,” they wrote.

In other words, the bill would break the internet’s universal character and hamper U.S. government-supported efforts to rollout out DNS-SEC, which is intended to prevent hackers from hijacking the net through fake DNS entries.

The bill’s big-pocketed proponents weren’t moved by those arguments.

Michael O’Leary, Motion Picture Association of America vice president, told Smith that, “it’s a concern, but frankly overstated.”

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-California) whose district includes Silicon Valley, expressed alarm that Google was the only company invited to testify against the bill. Google was peppered over and again by lawmakers asking why it it doesn’t simply stop rendering infringing sites in search results.

“The search engines are not capable of actually censoring the World Wide Web,” Lofgren said. “We need to go after people committing crimes.”

Katherine Oyama, Google’s policy council, responded at one point:

“We don’t control the World Wide Web,” she said, adding that Google does not know what sites are hosting infringing content unless the rights holder tells Google. When that happens, she said, Google usually stops displaying results pointing to that particular page within six hours.

The MPAA’s O’Leary countered later that, on a Google search, the in-theater-only movie J-Edgar has “a better chance that the Pirate Bay is going to end up ahead of Netflix” on a Google search.

Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, AOL, Yahoo, eBay, Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the American Civil Liberties Union and a host of other groups and companies oppose the measure, saying the bill will break the internet as we know it.

Not all members of the committee said the legislation needed work.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia) said, “This is a good bill.”

Rep. Mel Watt (D-North Carolina) expressed some reservations, but said legislation was needed.

“Doing nothing is not an option,” he said. “Not only are online privacy and counterfeiting drains on our economy, they expose consumers to fraud, identity theft, confusion and to harm.”

John Clark, the security chief for Pfizer, testified that counterfeit drug sales run rampant on the internet.

“I see counterfeited medicines as attempted murder,” he said.

Troubling to Rep. Maxine Waters (D-California) was how the bill described what sites could be targed, those “dedicated to infringing activity.”

The House bill allows rights holders to demand that online ad services and credit card companies stop working with an allegedly infringing sites. The copyright holder need only allege the site is “dedicated to infringing activity” — as say Viacom alleges about YouTube, and if the ad service or credit card company does not quickly sever ties, they can be held liable. No court approval is needed to send such a letter.

“It imposes harsh, arbitrary sanctions without due process,” Google’s Oyama said.

Smith’s measure also grants the U.S. attorney general sweeping powers to block the distribution of workarounds, such as the MafiaaFire plugin on the Firefox browser, that let users navigate to sites that have been blacklisted or had their domain name seized.

Smith asked witness Maria Pallante, the U.S. Registrar of Copyrights, what she meant by her testimony that if “Congress does nothing,” the “U.S. copyright system will ultimately fail.”

“I don’t think,” Pallante said, “that’s an overstatement.”

It’s not clear how the copyright system is failing given that the Netflix streaming service counts more than 21 million subscribers, accounting for the largest share of peak internet traffic every night; that YouTube is paying millions out to copyright holders; and an increasing number of people get their online music from paid and ad-supported services such as Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, Amazon and iTunes.

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Leaders of Congress honored astronauts John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins with congressional gold medals in a ceremony in the Capitol Rotunda on Nov. 16, 2011. The Gold Medal, Congress' highest expression of national appreciation for distinguished achievements and contributions, was first given to George Washington in 1776.

Glenn was the first American to orbit the Earth, achieving the feat aboard Friendship 7 on Feb. 20, 1962. On July 20, 1969, Armstrong and Aldrin became the first humans to set foot on the Moon, while Collins piloted Apollo 11's command module.

"We stand on the shoulders of the extraordinary men we recognize today," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden at the ceremony. "Those of us who have had the privilege to fly in space followed the trail they forged."

"When, 50 years ago this year, President Kennedy challenged the nation to reach the moon, to "take longer strides" toward a "great new American enterprise," these men were the human face of those words," said Bolden. "From Mercury and Gemini, on through our landings on the Moon in the Apollo Program, their actions unfolded the will of a nation for the greater achievement of humankind."

Administrator Bolden also noted that five members of the most recent Astronaut Candidate Class were in attendance, pointing out that the new generation "will redefine space exploration in the years to come and continue to honor the legacy of John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins."

All four astronauts have also received the NASA Distinguished Service Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, awarded with distinction, as well as NASA's own Ambassador of Exploration Award.

Congress approved the New Frontier Congressional Gold Medal Act in July 2009 to mark the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing.

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Posted by Amy Rolph on November 16, 2011 at 11:03 am

UFO spotted in Seattle — what was it?

Seattle was apparently under siege by UFO’s Tuesday night, and I’m a little offended that no one told me.

Someone did, however, tell the Seattle Times, which reportedly received several calls about a “bright object streaking across the sky.”

Was it the a space station? Not likely, considering the space station wasn’t passing overhead last night. The Times also checked with the FAA and found out it probably wasn’t a plane.

The National Weather Service also reported it wasn’t weather related, leaving only one logical conclusion.

We are being invaded by visitors from another galaxy.

Oh, wait — there’s one more thing that could explain the UFO. The Seattle Astronomical Society told the Times that several pieces of space junk passed over Seattle Tuesday night — a military satellite and two Soviet rockets.

It’s also possible that the UFO was a meteor since the Leonid shower peaks Thursday. But experts point out meteors would likely be fainter.

Update: Here’s a first-hand account I just received in an email from a reader.

I just wanted to let you know what I saw on Tuesday evening. I was driving eastbound on 164th St SE near Mill Creek around 430pm. It was near sunset and I noticed a huge red light east over the foothills. There were 4 lights in a square that were pulsating. I had never seen anything like that so I continued driving east hoping to get a better view out east. However the trees were in the way and I couldn’t get up high enough to see over them. I gave up and went home thinking it was nothing. Then I read your blog today about the other ufo sightings. I wonder if anyone else saw that red light.

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U.S. Army Tests Secret Hypersonic Weapon


Published November 17, 2011

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The DARPA Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle (HTV)-2, one of several hypersonic test projects underway by various U.S. military agencies.

The U.S. Army's hypersonic weapon prototype streaked across the Pacific Ocean at several times the speed of sound Thurs., Nov. 17, in a flawless maiden test flight. The success could pave the way for a new military capability to strike targets anywhere on Earth in as little as an hour.

Such a hypersonic weapon concept flies at a relatively flat trajectory within the atmosphere, rather than soaring up toward space like a ballistic missile and eventually coming back down. Hypersonic speed is defined as being at least five times the speed of sound (3,805 mph, or 6,124 kph, at sea level).

The Army's success today built upon lessons learned from two hypersonic test flights carried out by the Pentagon's research arm, called DARPA, in April 2010 and August 2011.

The Army's Advanced Hypersonic Weapon launched aboard a three-stage booster system from the Pacific Missile Range Facility on the island of Kauai in Hawaii at 6:30 AM ET, deployed for its hypersonic glide, and eventually splashed down in the Reagan Test Site located near the Kwajalein Atoll.

Pentagon officials kept a careful watch on the flight test from space, air, sea and ground. That allowed them to collect data about aerodynamics, navigation, guidance, and control performance, as well as thermal protection technologies meant to shrug off intense heat during hypersonic flight.

Such success may provide some consolation to DARPA, given that its Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 (HTV-2) experienced problems in its two test flights that led to early crashes. HTV-2 reached a speed of Mach 20 during its latest test in August.

The Air Force has also tested its own X-51A Waverider vehicle, most recently on June 13, as an experimental platform for an air-breathing scramjet engine. During the latest test, the X-51A Waverider reached hypersonic speeds of at least Mach 5 before it failed to switch over to its main fuel source.

Having several hypersonic projects resembles the early days of U.S. rocket and missile development, when the Army and Air Force competed to get their rockets off the ground. But any success in the hypersonic realm seems likely to benefit the U.S. military's unified goal for a "Conventional Prompt Global Strike" weapon designed to speedily attack targets around the world.

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Published November 17, 2011

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The DARPA Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle (HTV)-2, one of several hypersonic test projects underway by various U.S. military agencies.

The U.S. Army's hypersonic weapon prototype streaked across the Pacific Ocean at several times the speed of sound Thurs., Nov. 17, in a flawless maiden test flight. The success could pave the way for a new military capability to strike targets anywhere on Earth in as little as an hour.

Such a hypersonic weapon concept flies at a relatively flat trajectory within the atmosphere, rather than soaring up toward space like a ballistic missile and eventually coming back down. Hypersonic speed is defined as being at least five times the speed of sound (3,805 mph, or 6,124 kph, at sea level).

The Army's success today built upon lessons learned from two hypersonic test flights carried out by the Pentagon's research arm, called DARPA, in April 2010 and August 2011.

The Army's Advanced Hypersonic Weapon launched aboard a three-stage booster system from the Pacific Missile Range Facility on the island of Kauai in Hawaii at 6:30 AM ET, deployed for its hypersonic glide, and eventually splashed down in the Reagan Test Site located near the Kwajalein Atoll.

Pentagon officials kept a careful watch on the flight test from space, air, sea and ground. That allowed them to collect data about aerodynamics, navigation, guidance, and control performance, as well as thermal protection technologies meant to shrug off intense heat during hypersonic flight.

Such success may provide some consolation to DARPA, given that its Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 (HTV-2) experienced problems in its two test flights that led to early crashes. HTV-2 reached a speed of Mach 20 during its latest test in August.

The Air Force has also tested its own X-51A Waverider vehicle, most recently on June 13, as an experimental platform for an air-breathing scramjet engine. During the latest test, the X-51A Waverider reached hypersonic speeds of at least Mach 5 before it failed to switch over to its main fuel source.

Having several hypersonic projects resembles the early days of U.S. rocket and missile development, when the Army and Air Force competed to get their rockets off the ground. But any success in the hypersonic realm seems likely to benefit the U.S. military's unified goal for a "Conventional Prompt Global Strike" weapon designed to speedily attack targets around the world.

Copyright 2011 InnovationNewsDaily, a TechMediaNetwork company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Kenya asks U.S. for help with Somalia offensive

Washington is considering the request to provide surveillance and reconnaissance as Kenyan troops become bogged down in their effort to go after the Al Qaeda-linked Shabab militia.

By David S. Cloud and Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times
6:33 PM PST, November 17, 2011
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Kenya's government has made an urgent appeal to the Obama administration for the Pentagon to provide intelligence and logistical support to Kenya's faltering month-old military operation in Somalia against the Shabab, a powerful Al Qaeda-linked militia.

Administration officials are considering the request, which came through the State Department, to provide military surveillance and reconnaissance that could include imagery from drone aircraft. Such aid would represent a significant expansion of U.S. involvement in the chaotic East African nation.

The 2,000 Kenyan troops that crossed into southern Somalia last month quickly bogged down after seasonal rains turned local roads into thick mud, leaving the invading forces far short of key Shabab strongholds to the north.

Some U.S. officials favor direct support for the Kenyan operation. Counter-terrorism officials are eager to eliminate or weaken the Shabab, a terrorist group that has conducted lethal attacks against U.S. allies in Africa and has vowed to expand its reach.

At least two Somali Americans recruited by the Shabab took part in suicide bombings in Somalia, and counter-terrorism experts fear other recruits may attempt attacks in the United States.

But administration officials are wary of getting drawn into another war in a Muslim country as U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. No one has forgotten the 1993 "Black Hawk Down" debacle, when the bodies of two U.S. servicemen were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, after a mission to capture a local warlord went awry.

Some State Department officials also warn that Somalis may view Kenyans as foreign occupiers, noting that the Shabab first gained popularity as a nationalist movement after U.S.-backed Ethiopian troops invaded Somalia in 2006 to crush Islamic militants, only to retreat three years later.

After crossing into Somalia in mid-October, the Kenyan troops captured several border towns and advanced inland. But they have yet to take the strategic crossroads town of Afmadow, about 80 miles inside Somalia, or the crucial port of Kismayu, about 100 miles up the Indian Ocean coast.

If it secures those targets, Kenya hopes to create a military buffer zone in southern Somalia to stem the flow of weapons and trained militants across the border. Earlier this year, Somali bandits kidnapped four foreigners in Kenya, dealing a blow to the country's lucrative tourism industry.

Kenya also says it wants to help humanitarian aid groups working to alleviate famine in southern Somalia. The Shabab has taxed some of the groups and kidnapped aid workers or stopped their supply convoys. Yet the invasion is also complicating efforts to reach 3 million people caught in the famine. Officials fear perhaps 750,000 may die in coming months if aid organizations cannot reach them.

U.S. officials say Kenya did not coordinate its invasion plans with the Obama administration and that so far the American military is not providing on-the-ground support. However, the U.S., which has given Kenya more than $700 million in aid this year, much of it for military and counter-terrorism purposes, has provided limited intelligence help, American officials said, declining to provide details.

"Al Shabab is a very serious terrorist threat …and pressure that's brought to bear against them is something they deserve," said Pentagon spokesman George Little.

The CIA and U.S. special operations forces have mounted several targeted operations against Al Qaeda leaders in and near Somalia, including helicopter assaults and missile strikes from drone aircraft.

The Air Force began flying unmanned aircraft from an airfield in southern Ethiopia and has flown drones from a base in the Seychelles islands, several hundred miles away in the Indian Ocean.

But Kenya's armed forces are not trained to analyze live video and data feeds from U.S. drones, so the use of such aircraft would probably require U.S. intelligence reports to help pinpoint suspected Shabab fighters and other targets, officials said.

Several officials said direct U.S. military support appears unlikely, and a Pentagon spokesman said he was "not aware of any such request coming to the Defense Department." But other officials said the request was under consideration.

Despite the drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. drones and other surveillance aircraft are in short supply. Moreover, the officials cautioned, the intelligence reports alone may not enable Kenya's military to achieve even its limited objectives.

In April, the U.S. Navy captured Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame, a Somali, on a boat between Yemen and Somalia. He has been indicted in New York on federal charges of being a "conduit between Al Shabab and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni-based terrorist group.

But the U.S. is not carrying out regular missile strikes or other operations against Shabab strongholds. "We have not declared war on Al Shabab," said one U.S. official.

Kenya has proposed having the United Nations designate its forces part of the U.N. mission in Somalia, which provides a mandate and logistics for about 9,000 African Union peacekeeping troops in Mogadishu. But a U.S. official said that idea has drawn little support at the world body.

Kenyan military officials and newspapers that support the offensive deride the Shabab as little more than a ragtag force. "Shabab is using inane tactics," military spokesman Maj. Emmanuel Chirchir said via Twitter.

"The backbone of the opposition is gone, and rather than being a collective effort, each leader seems to have taken a small part and is working with it," Lt. Col. John Nkoimo, commander of the offensive's southern sector, told Kenya's Standard newspaper.

The French government said last month that it would provide logistical support and equipment for the Kenyan operation, and initially many analysts assumed Washington would do the same.

"The Kenyans have a big 'ask' to the Americans," said E.J. Hogendoorn, Horn of Africa director for the International Crisis Group, a nongovernmental organization that seeks to prevent conflicts, in a telephone interview from Nairobi, the Kenyan capital.

The U.S. government has offered differing accounts of how much warning it received of the Kenyan incursion.

A senior U.S. officer said the action caught the Pentagon by surprise. Officials at U.S. Africa Command, which has its headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, declined to comment.

Another official said this week that the CIA had produced intelligence reports warning the White House that an invasion might be imminent.

"We had strong indications the Kenyans were planning to go into Somalia," the official said. "It's incorrect to suggest this was a surprise."

The Kenyan government previously has sought U.S. support for military action in southern Somalia. Senior Kenyan officials proposed sending in a force of Kenyan-trained Somalis during a meeting with State Department officials in January 2010, according to a U.S. Embassy cable released by WikiLeaks.

Assistant Secretary of State Johnnie Carson "tactfully but categorically refused" U.S. support at the time, the cable notes. Carson worried that a Kenyan incursion would cost too much, exacerbate clan rivalries and further undermine the weak U.S.-backed transitional government in Mogadishu.

Washington and Nairobi have cooperated closely on counter-terrorism since Al Qaeda used truck bombs against U.S. embassies in the Kenyan capital and in Dar es Salaam, capital of neighboring Tanzania, in August 1998. The simultaneous attacks killed 224 people and wounded more than 4,000, mostly Africans.

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File Under: Mobile, UI/UX, Web Basics ‘WTF Mobile Web’ Tracks Terrible Mobile Web Design

By Scott Gilbertson

Sometimes the best way to figure out what works is to see what doesn’t. That’s the thinking behind WTF Mobile Web: http://wtfmobileweb.com/
a new site that tracks examples of terrible mobile web design and user experience. Whether it’s a “native look” that inevitably looks wrong on all but one platform or simply treating the iPad as a mobile browser, WTF Mobile has plenty of examples of what not to do when developing a mobile site.

WTF Mobile Web is the brainchild of developers Jen Simmons and Brad Frost who are careful to note that the point isn’t to be mean or pick on specific sites. In fact, perhaps the best part about the site is that, as people were quick to point out, it’s guilty of some of the very same things it’s calling out in other sites. Hypocrisy? Sure, but it also illustrates just how hard it is to get mobile right.

As Simmons and Frost write:

The problem is that we’ve all been doing this thing called Making a Website for a long time in a particular way. And now everything is changing. Sure some developers are resistant to learning new things, but most developers are interested, excited and willing. But this isn’t a problem that you can fix by just switching out which bit of code to use. It’s bigger than that. Content strategy, design, business all have to change. The fundamental way in which people work together to plan and coordinate the creation of a website has to change.

Perhaps the most important thing to keep in mind is that, to paraphrase developer Steven Hay, there is no mobile web, no desktop web, no tablet web. There is just The Web, which we view in different ways. Design for The Web, avoid assumptions about devices (like assuming the iPad is a mobile device) and please, stop with the “native” designs.

If you run across an example of bad mobile design you can submit it to WTF Mobile Web.

So how do you build better mobile sites? Well, WTF Mobile Web has a few links to get you started, including one to Frost’s Building a Future Friendly Web slideshow, which we’ve covered before. Webmonkey has also been covering mobile and responsive design for some time so be sure to read through our archives.

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Supercommittee members stave off sense of deficit deal failure
By Alicia M. Cohn
11/18/11 08:15 AM ET

Two supercommittee members said in separate interviews Friday that it's "still possible" to reach a deal in an attempt to downplay talk the deficit reduction panel is headed for failure.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) on Friday pledged to work through the weekend in order to reach a deal by the committee's Nov. 23 deadline.

Confronting rumors that negotiations on the deadlocked panel are as good as dead, Van Hollen and Toomey separately told CNN that they believe there is still time to reach a deal.

“We recognize what's at stake and we're hoping to reach an agreement," Van Hollen said. "Let's see if we can do it."

Toomey also said it's "still possible" to reach a deal.

"We're going to stay at it," he said. "It's not going to be easy. Time is running short, but it hasn't run out yet.”

According to Toomey, committee members are communicating in any and all ways as they hurdle toward the deadline. Van Hollen described the negotiations as "shuttle diplomacy." The full supercommittee has not officially met for days, although Toomey said "many of us were in the same room together" Thursday night.

Lawmakers and aides have said the talks have reached an impasse, adding to a growing sense the panel won't meet its deadline next week.

Van Hollen and Toomey also illustrated the wide gap that has yet to be bridged between Democrat and Republican members of the 12 member panel.

Van Hollen targeted Republicans in the room as the sticking point, decrying their position on taxes and indicating resistance to GOP ideas about entitlement reform such as raising the retirement age, which he called a bad idea "right now."

“Recently [Republicans] appear to have dug in on their position, and what we're trying to do is bridge those differences," he said.

“I'm not sure why we should harm the economy in order to do the right thing for entitlements," Toomey said, indicating resistance of his own to the idea that a compromise might mean giving in on tax breaks in order to increase revenue.

The committee was tasked with finding between $1.2 and $1.5 trillion in deficit-reducing savings as part of the summer's debt-ceiling bargain. Failure to do so by Nov. 23 would trigger a series of automatic cuts totaling $1.2 trillion. Those cuts wouldn't go into effect until 2013, giving lawmakers a year to come up with alternatives.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/194491-supercommittee-members-stave-off-sense-of-deficit-deal-failure-

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