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« Reply #105 on: Nov 20th, 2015, 10:42pm »


Hal, I see that as an example of adaptation.maybe even welcome one! ..its when we support a particular flavor to the huge detriment of another that we have problems..we did not see this extremism in Libya..we did not see it in other muslim countries until we used the playing one against the other to foster opposition to the Russians during the cold wars..Our overriding policy has been been Anti Russian..not Anti Jihad even when the Russians no longer posed a threat..
No Islam per se is not the problem because even if you rid every single Isis foot soldier....we are bound to the hip with the Saudis which is an Isis cult..and who would do the very same thing here if they were physically in charge..from beheadings to allowing rapes as punishment as Humas mother espoused, even while Huma ran errands for the Moderate and reformed Muslim Brotherhood..that said..
that said..Isis and the Wahabbism and the people who have suported them are the greatest threat to our values and freedom and civilization..more than the Iraqi and Iranian Shia and Alawites ever were. Get rid of those..and the remainder..just might be more manageable..
This was a pretty decent wrap up..

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Saudi Arabia Is An ISIS That "Made It": "The West Wages War On One, And Shakes Hands With The Other"
Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.

Wahhabism, a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century, hopes to restore a fantasized caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina. Born in massacre and blood, it manifests itself in a surreal relationship with women, a prohibition against non-Muslims treading on sacred territory, and ferocious religious laws. That translates into an obsessive hatred of imagery and representation and therefore art, but also of the body, nakedness and freedom. Saudi Arabia is a Daesh that has made it.

The West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: It salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture. The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns.

One might counter: Isn’t Saudi Arabia itself a possible target of Daesh? Yes, but to focus on that would be to overlook the strength of the ties between the reigning family and the clergy that accounts for its stability — and also, increasingly, for its precariousness. The Saudi royals are caught in a perfect trap: Weakened by succession laws that encourage turnover, they cling to ancestral ties between king and preacher. The Saudi clergy produces Islamism, which both threatens the country and gives legitimacy to the regime.

One has to live in the Muslim world to understand the immense transformative influence of religious television channels on society by accessing its weak links: households, women, rural areas. Islamist culture is widespread in many countries — Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Mauritania. There are thousands of Islamist newspapers and clergies that impose a unitary vision of the world, tradition and clothing on the public space, on the wording of the government’s laws and on the rituals of a society they deem to be contaminated.

It is worth reading certain Islamist newspapers to see their reactions to the attacks in Paris. The West is cast as a land of “infidels.” The attacks were the result of the onslaught against Islam. Muslims and Arabs have become the enemies of the secular and the Jews. The Palestinian question is invoked along with the rape of Iraq and the memory of colonial trauma, and packaged into a messianic discourse meant to seduce the masses. Such talk spreads in the social spaces below, while up above, political leaders send their condolences to France and denounce a crime against humanity. This totally schizophrenic situation parallels the West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia.

All of which leaves one skeptical of Western democracies’ thunderous declarations regarding the necessity of fighting terrorism. Their war can only be myopic, for it targets the effect rather than the cause. Since ISIS is first and foremost a culture, not a militia, how do you prevent future generations from turning to jihadism when the influence of Fatwa Valley and its clerics and its culture and its immense editorial industry remains intact?

Is curing the disease therefore a simple matter? Hardly. Saudi Arabia remains an ally of the West in the many chess games playing out in the Middle East. It is preferred to Iran, that gray Daesh. And there’s the trap. Denial creates the illusion of equilibrium. Jihadism is denounced as the scourge of the century but no consideration is given to what created it or supports it. This may allow saving face, but not saving lives.

Daesh has a mother: the invasion of Iraq. But it also has a father: Saudi Arabia and its religious-industrial complex. Until that point is understood, battles may be won, but the war will be lost. Jihadists will be killed, only to be reborn again in future generations and raised on the same books.

The attacks in Paris have exposed this contradiction again, but as happened after 9/11, it risks being erased from our analyses and our consciences.




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« Reply #106 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:09pm »

RE: THE EVOLUTION IN ALIEN TECHNOLOGY.

If asked, how would the group preserve all the worlds information for posterity.

Let's define posterity as ten thousand years.

And the data, information etc has to be continually available for all to access and use it, but not to alter the original I.e Read Only.

Updated versions will, naturally, be created to allow for evolution.

So, the data remains the same, but it is accepted that the technology to use it will evolve. Any current method must allow access to all the past knowledge.

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« Reply #107 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:34pm »

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..The attacks in Paris have exposed this contradiction again, but as happened after 9/11, it risks being erased from our analyses and our consciences...

Now, if it could be proved that there is no God......

Yeah, I know. It ain't going to happen.

But it has shown a weakness in the (modern) Western way of thinking.

That you can expect these fanatics to be reasonable people who wish to lead what we call progressive lives.

The French made a mistake by allowing thousands of Muslims to congregate in ghetto like areas. We in the UK have done the same.
And in the UK and, probably, France, anyone who voiced against this were called racist. And the authorities assisted, by creating 'equality' laws, in allowing the fanatics to gain a foothold.

Come out and suggest that an area is becoming overpopulated by a group from a problem country and you will be vilified at the very least. 'Racist Monster' etc.

But the people who want to shut you up either have a vested interest or haven't done the maths.

I can see us in Europe returning to the Crusader mentality if things get much worst. And who is to say the Crusaders were wrong when they pushed the Moors out of Europe.

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« Reply #108 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:55pm »

A quick mini - quiz.

Without looking it up.

Gregg Bear, in his book 'Eon' and others, refers to the two political movements of his people as 'Geshels' and 'Naderites'.

How many here can tell me what each party represent, and how this is depicted in the names.

You should be able to do this just from the names.

(if you are old enough)

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« Reply #109 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 3:43pm »

Some time ago I was talking to one of our lab people and we got around to the subject of what does knowledge of people you converse with via the internet matter.

For instance, very few of us know anything about the others except what we have gleaned from the way they post and the subjects they are willing to discuss.

And this, to me, is fine.

I can happily live a cyberlife.

It doesn't concern me that some of the people (even here? ) may have a darker side that I would find unacceptable if I were to know them in real life.
For the purposes of our on line family it doesn't matter. We learn how to read between the lines and where to draw them; although some of us enjoy tickling the edge of the envelope occasionally.

Basically we accept each others cyber persona.

This woman I was talking to was horrified that it didn't matter to me if the person I was communicating with was potentially a villain.
My point to her was that I was sticking to quite narrow subjects and deliberately avoiding the areas that might be 'uncomfortable'. If people have this dark side, and they want keep it to themselves, fine. I don't want to know.

So, how does the group feel about this 'double life' ?

And if someone was, say, a very bad husband, a philanderer, would it matter if your only knowledge of him was as a genius.

Albert Einstein, for instance.

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« Reply #110 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 02:01am »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 3:43pm, INT21 wrote:
Some time ago I was talking to one of our lab people and we got around to the subject of what does knowledge of people you converse with via the internet matter.

For instance, very few of us know anything about the others except what we have gleaned from the way they post and the subjects they are willing to discuss.

And this, to me, is fine.

I can happily life a cyberlife.

It doesn't concern me that some of the people (even here? ) may have a darker side that I would find unacceptable if I were to know them in real life.
For the purposes of our on line family it doesn't matter. We learn how to read between the lines and where to draw them; although some of us enjoy tickling the edge of the envelope occasionally.

Basically we accept each others cyber persona.

This woman I was talking to was horrified that it didn't matter to me if the person I was communicating with was potentially a villain.
My point to her was that I was sticking to quite narrow subjects and deliberately avoiding the areas that might be 'uncomfortable'. If people have this dark side, and they want keep it to themselves, fine. I don't want to know.

So, how does the group feel about this 'double life' ?

And if someone was, say, a very bad husband, a philanderer, would it matter if your only knowledge of him was as a genius.

Albert Einstein, for instance.

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I was hoping some one else would discuss this, instead of me,
I will try to keep up with the logic of HAL,
even though, that is also a man made belief system,
sorry HAL but it is true.

So please define villain, and one from the dark side,
so I may continue with this.

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« Reply #111 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 06:55am »

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..even though, that is also a man made belief system,
sorry HAL but it is true
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No worries. We all have our point of view that is formed by the way we perceive things to be. I have no objection to anyone believing whatever they wish. I do, naturally, think that they may be wrong.

Anyway, back to the subject in hand.

The way we judge the worth of our fellow man/woman is by their acts. And of course, by their beliefs.

Now, I have a policy. I never socialise with people I work with. When at work I want to be able to get on with the job with out having some problem from the night out before hanging over the place. When they walk out of the company door they cease to exist to me. That way I don't get tangled up in their family squabbles and the other things that people discuss when together in a social situation. I just don't need it.

Also, it often turns out that the most unlikely people have very dark pasts. Some behave badly towards their family, Some are closet alcoholics. Some have spent time in prison. Some hold extreme beliefs. Many would kill you if they had the chance. In fact if the person is a Muslim then his Book says he is honour bound to do just that. Half the small group in the machine shop I work in are Muslims. We get along together, But there is always that niggling doubt.

On the net, unless one chooses to declare one's self in a particular direction, no on knows who you are. You can dissect the topic du joure and no one need know from what back ground you base your opinion.
They may find great sport in teasing it out. And they will surely probe your logic.

If a person is very knowledgeable in a particular subject, it would be a shame to not have that persons knowledge to hand. If he/she has a habit of throwing rocks through people's windows when drunk, and has spent prison time for it, does it matter if we don't know ?

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« Reply #112 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 07:02am »

Re: #108 above.

I take it that we don't have many Gregg Bear fans here .

Let me suggest him as the author to read this winter.

'Eon' would be a good starting place.

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..All of which leaves one skeptical of Western democracies’ thunderous declarations regarding the necessity of fighting terrorism. Their war can only be myopic, for it targets the effect rather than the cause. Since ISIS is first and foremost a culture, not a militia, how do you prevent future generations from turning to jihadism when the influence of Fatwa Valley and its clerics and its culture and its immense editorial industry remains intact?


Soooo.. Your solution is ?

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Just a bit of news.

HAL is now running LucidPuppy Linux and SeaMonkey.

Sorry, Dr Chandra.

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« Reply #115 on: Dec 7th, 2015, 5:12pm »

on Dec 7th, 2015, 11:13am, INT21 wrote:
Just a bit of news.

HAL is now running LucidPuppy Linux and SeaMonkey.

Sorry, Dr Chandra.

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Its Tic Tac Toe HAL..No winners..too late to turn the clock back. Sadly..for the Muslims..there has been no reformation..and one cant be forced into with threat of immigration controls..or spurious bombing while trying to turn a profit. One is heaven sent..the other hell bent..both are suicidal..corporations contrived the poison pill doctrine acquiring debt..so that whoever purchases is drowned in debt assuring everyone goes down with the ship..MAD and Detente are insufficient deterrents. Its Duncan McCloud of the Clan McClouds wish that there can only be one.
Both You and I know..whats about to happen..and we don't need crystal balls.
An immovable object cannot stop an unstoppable..physics prevents that paradox..by simply not permitting them to coexist in the same time space. Yet here they are..one has to go..


I believe..both you and I have tried to be good shepards for reason and compassion....sadly the flocks are scattered

Question..who is Dr Chandra? Doing a thesis here is not exactly a great career move.

Time to push the reset button!..by the way..the Americans oddly chose a word that they translated incorrectly in Russian... I read it means overcharge..Accident?..or ironic twist of fate?

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/03/remember-hillarys-russian-reset-button-guess-where-she-got-it/

The two authors set the stage:

[Hillary Clinton's senior adviser] Philippe Reines, a lover of both gimmickry and iconic imagery, had come up with a plan to show the world a symbol of the “reset” mantra. Hillary would give [Russian foreign minister Sergei] Lavrov a gift-wrapped button emblazoned with the English and Russian words for “reset.” It seemed like a clever way to draw attention to the message, one sure to be bounced across the globe on television and in newspaper pictures. But Reines had sidestepped traditional protocol by not asking State’s team of translators to help with the project from the start. He later said he was unaware such resources were available to him.

One of the State Department’s top officials didn’t know his agency offered translators?

Allen and Parnes continue [emphasis added]:

[Reines] had asked NSC Russia director Mike McFaul for the word and both McFaul and State Russia expert Bill Burns signed off on the spelling…

Lavrov pointed out that peregruzka – printed not in Cyrillic but in Latin script – means “overcharge.” …

Reines tried to correct the error, asking Russia’s ambassador to Switzerland to give the gift back temporarily so that a new label – with the right word – could be printed and affixed to it.

“This is a gift from the United States. I don’t think I can give it back to you,” the ambassador replied with a smile. “If I did, my minister would be very upset.”

“If your minister doesn’t give that back, my minister,” Reines said, referring to Hillary, “is going to send me to Siberia.”

Reines pleaded his case in good humor, even suggesting they bring a label-maker into the room so that the Russian ambassador didn’t have to let the gift – an emergency stop button that had been hastily pilfered from a swimming pool or Jacuzzi at the hotel – out of his sight. Nyet, the ambassador said.

“We’re in the very best of hands,” National Review’s Jim Geraghty joked.
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« Reply #116 on: Dec 7th, 2015, 7:37pm »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 1:34pm, INT21 wrote:
Now, if it could be proved that there is no God......

Yeah, I know. It ain't going to happen.

I can see us in Europe returning to the Crusader mentality if things get much worst. And who is to say the Crusaders were wrong when they pushed the Moors out of Europe.

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HAL, can you also see which of the
SWORDBROTHERS would be on the side of Europe ?
Arthur and Merlin ?
Templars ?
Teutonic ?

Or would it matter ?
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