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« Reply #30 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 06:36am »

Purr,

I just love your sense of humour.

If someone is going to rob you they will be the one with the advantage. You will not have time to use your weapon of self defense. The robber always has the upper hand.

But you knew that already.

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« Reply #31 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 11:17am »

on Sep 29th, 2015, 06:36am, INT21 wrote:
Purr,

I just love your sense of humour.

If someone is going to rob you they will be the one with the advantage. You will not have time to use your weapon of self defense. The robber always has the upper hand.

But you knew that already.

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Always glad when you're amused, HAL/INT21, but that may be due to your British perspective (a relatively gun free culture not unlike the Netherlands!).

I was MOST SERIOUSLY offering my version of an American Future in the areas gun control and the right to bear arms.

Now you mention it, mo' guns to reduce murder SOUNDS FUNNY indeed! Simple logic, arguably violent criminals are given free rein by the victims of violence not having a gun (or other legal viable form of defense) handy. I propose a 'Texanization' of America's violence and murder. Add some selection pressure, up the price of poker for all would be murderers! I truly believe that the risk of a victim SHOOTING BACK is a great deterrent.

Having spent some decades as a martial arts student/practitioner I also beg to differ on robbers / aggressors invariably having the advantage. Imho the advantage/upper hand belongs to the most aware.


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« Reply #32 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 11:31am »

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What Purr is referring to is the use of 'Situational Awareness'!
So many people now days have no idea what the danger is around them. They live in a cocoon of ignorance believing that it will happen to someone else and NOT them. They wander the street with their heads and minds buried in cell phones that gives the advantage to the bad guys!

As a practitioner and teacher of martial arts and a Certified Firearms Instructor for decades, I can tell you that if you don't take the time to listen to your gut feelings of what is going on around you nothing you do will prevent harm other than DUMB LUCK!

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« Reply #33 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 1:08pm »

The gun ownership issues will remain a point of dissention for ever. My fear is that it is masking the REAL problem, which is the propensity for violence, period.

What is causing the arrogance, anger, fear, frustration, sense of entitlement that leads to violence; whether it be shootings, stabbings, beatings, drownings, road rage, robbery, rape, or murder?
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 5:55pm »

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...So many people now days have no idea what the danger is around them....

It goes down to a more fundamental level. And it raise the question (which I think is what Swamp is getting at) 'why do people need to have to walk around with this 'constant situational awareness' at all ?

We in the UK have very low levels of violence on the streets compared with the US. And mostly the violence is related to people drinking or to domestic arguments. while robbery does occur, it is not what one may call a daily occurrence in most towns. If someone were to express a need to be constantly looking for trouble then they would be probably considered slightly paranoid.

A while back I asked about Americans who normally carry guns but were on holiday in places where guns are forbidden. The aim was to find out if they felt comfortable and safe.
As Swamp pointed out, the folks who carry guns tend not to make this fact known, so it was difficult to research this.

But let's make an assumption that they feel safe. After all, if they didn't then they probably wouldn't be there.

The question becomes 'why'?

Is it because they don't feel safe in their home country without the gun ?

Are they more afraid of fellow Americans than they are of the residents of a country where they possibly don't even speak the same language and so don't have a clue as to what is being said in their presence ?

Going back to the bit I quoted at the top. I will quote from Swamp'...

..What is causing the arrogance, anger, fear, frustration, sense of entitlement that leads to violence; whether it be shootings, stabbings, beatings, drownings, road rage, robbery, rape, or murder?

So, take away the gun factor ask what have we left ? Why is America so violent ?

Or is it really down to guns ?

There is a line from a song the title of which I can't recall. It goes ..

I was born the son of a lawless man. Always spoke my mind with a gun in my hand.

Is the that the problem.

Purr,

Removing all the guns from everybody (except the law and farmers) will allow the law to simply shoot anyone carrying a fire arm. No need to ask any questions.
If potential gun men knew they if they are found with a gun on their person or in their car that they will be shot at the side of the road than carrying them will become progressively less of a problem.

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« Reply #35 on: Sep 29th, 2015, 6:25pm »

Actually HAL, if you eliminate 5 of our major cities, we rank like 78 in the most dangerous countries in the world listing! Unfortunately, two of those cities are in my state!

" An armed society is a polite society! " Azimov!


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« Reply #36 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 07:11am »

on Sep 25th, 2015, 2:02pm, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

..HAL, having issues with
RATZ
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They eating from your garden or telling the plants lies ?



They are eating my shed. building empires in the cavity wall and using the glass fibre insulation to prepare for the winter.

I'm sure the plants have a hand in this scheme. They have been strangely silent when I greet them.

However, I am nothing if not generous and have been supplying the rebellious rodents with dishes of that blue grain that they find so enticing.

Soon the scurry of tiny feet will fall silent.

Now, time to kill the treacherous tomatoes.

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HAL/INT21, Since we are all still here and the RATZ, are gone,
I suggest canning those tomatoes, after their time is up.

But then again it is your treachery for you to deal with
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« Reply #37 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 1:34pm »

on Sep 29th, 2015, 1:08pm, Swamprat wrote:
The gun ownership issues will remain a point of dissention for ever. My fear is that it is masking the REAL problem, which is the propensity for violence, period.

What is causing the arrogance, anger, fear, frustration, sense of entitlement that leads to violence; whether it be shootings, stabbings, beatings, drownings, road rage, robbery, rape, or murder?


As an evolutionist my answer (as to ultimate biological cause) is Human Nature, Swamprat.

The intermediate cause (as pertains to today's societal violence) is primarily lack of deterrent (crime may be committed at low risk to perp): I wish to put a legal gun (or other legal protection system) in the prospective victim's hand, so engaging in violent crime can be reliably predicted to have the gravest of consequences for the criminal.

My antidote of preference for our violent tendencies is the gradual spread of civilization, especially Democracy, global freedom in exchanging ideas and literature and modern education for everybody. Gradual = over many centuries, even millennia...


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« Reply #38 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 2:02pm »

"Why do you carry a firearmhuh Because a cop is too heavy and they get cranky when you try to throw them over your shoulder!!!

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on Aug 30th, 2015, 12:39pm, INT21 wrote:
So there I was this afternoon after finishing the wife's bird garden. Sat at the outside table enjoying a cool glass of Kia Ora and watching the flowers grow.

Then I got to wondering. 'some people think that what we call reality is in fact an illusion'.

This thought led on to wondering how, if true, it would work.

Perhaps we (our minds) are the analog of computer terminals connected to a reality that we can liken unto The Cloud.
So all the actual intelligence is floating around 'out there' somewhere. And our actions (physical) are dictated by what ever is running the Cloud application. We are part of the Cloud.

Well, it was a nice afternoon and I didn't want to do any serious thinking.

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GOOD EVENING HAL. Maybe (web) Clouds mirror our living reality. I suspect we live here (terminal reality), as well as in many other worlds, dimensions, realities and versions of life and selves. Most have no idea about that "other" side, but some, well, SUSPECT..

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Could our plants be dark horses? At home I too engage various kinds of potted plants in (modest, friendly) conversation. They never gave an indication of hearing, never talked back, unless flowering in happily surprising beauty is their answer to everything!

Perhaps they heard and understood every word, appreciated each and every drop of water given, but are slow in answering: say formulating one plant sentence could take ten thousand, or even a million years. Yet surely something worth waiting for (if you have the time).




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To get really personal. I confess to treating my plants differently. UNEQUALLY to be honest. Two ferns are some forty years old, inherited these by now miniature trees(!) from my parents, and my almost daily watering ritual is accompanied by a kind/respectful address "hello darling, here's some fresh water for you to enjoy!" as if they're old friends. To the recent, younger flowers, purples and reds named after St. Paul it's a brief and cheerful "Have a nice drink". But then there's an exotic bloomer, one small orchid like flower from the floor of a S-American rain forest, I named it 'The Little Plant', which most of the past ten years gave us exactly six 5-petalled violet flowers per year, and requires one gentle faucet bath per week, nothing more. I vocally encourage it, her(?) to enjoy her drink of water, to bloom and please bloom and when the flowers finally appear give heartfelt compliments for the beauty added to our livingspace.

Ha ha. I don't know whether plants possess consciousness. But I obviously have a lot of fun IMAGINING they do!!

Adding to your stack: perhaps faith in God utilizes the same mechanism?

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on Sep 30th, 2015, 2:51pm, purr wrote:
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Ha ha. I don't know whether plants possess consciousness. But I obviously have a lot of fun IMAGINING they do!!

Adding to your stack: perhaps faith in God utilizes the same mechanism?

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So…

Faith in a (any) supreme being is because the believer has a lot of fun imagining its existence?

Controversial but hey, I can definitely run with it… wink


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« Reply #41 on: Sep 30th, 2015, 3:13pm »

Purr,

My conversation with the plants (quite one -sided) is limited to "Good morning, plants". I do think kindly thoughts to them when sitting in the greenhouse enjoying a coffee. Their growth gives me a great deal of pleasure, and a certain sadness when the temperature and light levels are too low for them to flourish.

There are a number of experiments that indicate that they are, in a way, telepathic. Whether this is true I do not know. Common sense would say 'probably not'.

But we are, when you get down to the sub atomic level, all electrical. So who knows ?.

It never hurts to be polite.

As Gary Numan asked ' Are friends electric ?'.

And Asimov (I think) wrote the book 'I sing the body electric'.

And maybe Androids do dream of electric sheep .

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And the plants are there to see. Unlike any of the deities.

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I was browsing around a few days ago and I came across this example of how the use of acronyms can lead to misunderstandings.

The example used was LOL.

Now, it can mean Lots of Love, or Laugh Out Loud.
Imagine a girl who did not get on particularly well with her sister hearing that the sister had just got divorced and sent 'Just heard about your divorce, LOL Sis'.


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I have deleted the major part of this post as, on reflection, I came to the conclusion that others may not find it humorous; In fact they may see it as offensive.

As it is never my intent to deliberately offend people I though it best to remove it.
Apologies to any who it may have upset.

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on Sep 29th, 2015, 5:55pm, INT21 wrote:
Purr,

Removing all the guns from everybody (except the law and farmers) will allow the law to simply shoot anyone carrying a fire arm. No need to ask any questions.
If potential gun men knew they if they are found with a gun on their person or in their car that they will be shot at the side of the road than carrying them will become progressively less of a problem.

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Uh.. there's the matter of police response times. The individual(s) with (illegal) firearms may conceal, then proceed to use their weapons on law-abiding, unarmed victims, to commit robbery, or redress perceived slights to honor whatever and leave the scene. Police gets there too late to protect the victim, too late to shoot/kill shooter, hence there's very limited deterrent to violent criminals.

And of course there's no way to pass democratic law allowing police to shoot ('on sight' & 'to kill') anyone seen in the possession of a firearm. Having/carrying/holding a gun in itself does not prove malice. You may be seeing an undercover cop or intelligence operative, someone who just disarmed a violent criminal or terrorist, or (no kidding) a youngster with a toy gun or fantasy styled cell phone!!




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So I stand by my belief that disarming citizens, by any means, has not worked so far. Because the baddies sure as hell aren't handing in THEIR weapons laugh!

HAL, I say, hand out a quality handgun (limit to 1 or 2 pp, no AK-47s, no tanks, F-16s, missiles or nuclear bombs!) to every (sane, law-abiding) citizen of the Netherlands, United Kingdom and America, carefully train and license 'to carry' those fit to be responsible gun owners and would-be criminals will think twice (literally) before engaging in violence or breaking into homes.


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