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« Reply #75 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 10:25am »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"they may implement an open door policy to migrants."

THAT HYPOTHETICAL MAY COME TRUE ~ WOULD SUCH BE ANY DIFFERENT THAT WHAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED IN ENGLAND ~ "open door policy to migrants" ~ cool

HAVING SAID THE ABOVE ~ THE TSUNAMI OF MIGRANTS CONTINUES AND FOR SOME ~ WHERE WILL ONES INTERESTS BEST BE SERVED WITH >>> ANY ALLIANCE <<< WILL AND SHOULD THE TOPIC OF CONSIDERATION...

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« Reply #76 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 12:59pm »

JUZZZZ ADDING TO THE STACK...

More than 300,000 Britons have signed a government petition calling for an immediate halt to all immigration into the UK until the so-called Islamic State is defeated.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/15/300000-britons-demand-close-uk-borders-now/


The petition says:

“In February 2015 Dr Shea, Nato’s Deputy Assistant Secretary General for Emerging Security Challenges, warned there would be IS jihadists on the refugee boats. IS also threatened to flood Europe with 500,000 jihadists.

“Allowing uncontrolled immigration and taking in these refugees potentially endangers the entire UK population. At any other time in our history this would be tantamount to a declaration of war and borders would be closed.”

UR THOUGHTS ON THIS?

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« Reply #77 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 1:33pm »

yay..welcome back..hope Halloween festivals went well..! tongue
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the day before the paris slaughter on Friday the 13th..Kerry had an interview..
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dang I know how that driver felt..I just spent 2k dollars replacing my motor after the SC floods..Others did not fare well lost everything..Fema only wanted to give a loan..which I declined..I avoid debt as best I can.

But gates and floods..reminds me on the occasion of the Isis thingy that we are vulnerable on our dams like the shaky tennesee dam. with a nuke plant downstream..
I hope we dedicate our monitoring resources to securing that..those are multiple disasters just waiting to happen..

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« Reply #78 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 1:47pm »

"they may implement an open door policy to migrants."

THAT HYPOTHETICAL MAY COME TRUE ~ WOULD SUCH BE ANY DIFFERENT THAT WHAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED IN ENGLAND
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It would be very different.

We could try to compare the results with,say, half a million Mexicans crossing into the USA.
Except there is one major difference.

The Mexicans would essentially all be economic migrants. Their presence would flood the area with cheap labour and this would result in loss of jobs for US citizens who have to bring in a certain level of wage to be able to maintain their existing way of living. The Mexicans could work in the US but have residency in cheaper Mexico. You could liken this to East European migrants from places like Bulgaria and Romania doing the same thing in the UK.

But there is a significant difference between both these examples and the immigrants from the Middle East.

It is religion and ideology..

The Mexicans are predominately catholic; as are many of the US citizens. The same goes for most of the East European migrants. So there is common ground in belief and expectation.

The majority from places like Syria are Islamic in some shape or form.

And their Good Book preaches that we are an enemy who has to be removed.

We must never forget that IT IS WRITTEN in the source of their belief. As is the acceptability of deceiving us to achieve this end.

The UK is an island (well England Scotland and Wales is) and this helps us enormously to control our border. not completely, but a lot.

If Scotland were to be given independence and then adopt an open door policy this would literally create an overland route into England. and we are seeing how difficult it is to police this kind of border.

Do not be under the impression that I feel no compassion for the genuine people who are fleeing oppression at a life threatening level. I do think they need to be helped. But not over here. Look at the globe. It then becomes clean that there is much more to the exodus to the north northwards than simple fear. Most are a form of fifth column.

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« Reply #79 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 1:51pm »

I came across this ..what do you think..
A book written in 2010 by Tufts University professor Kelly Greenhill not only gained the attention of Pentagon war and civil strife planners but also Merkel and German business tycoons intent on replenishing Germany’s aging population of laborers with new blood. The book, «Weapons of Mass Migration: «Forced Displacement, Coercion, and Foreign Policy,» became an overnight hit for Pentagon and U.S. Central Intelligence Agency planners always looking for new and innovative ways to bring about chaos for maximum profit and extension of the U.S. sphere of influence. Greenhill is connected to the highest echelons of the U.S. military-intelligence complex as chair of the Conflict, Security and Public Policy Working Group at Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center; former Senate aide to John Kerry; and past adviser to the Pentagon.

Greenhill's book has become as much a template for creating social disorder through forced mass migration as retired University of Massachusetts professor Gene Sharp's «non-violent action» guidebooks on "themed revolutions" have become road maps for causing government coups through the use of social media and street action.

Kelly Greenhill, Associate Professor, Political Science
Greenhill’s current research project focuses on the influence of unverified and unverifiable information—such as rumors, conspiracy theories, religious beliefs, and myths—in international politics. She has served on the Advisory Board of the Boston Network for International Development and on the Academic Advisory Council for America Abroad Media, a national, non-profit organization, dedicated to the production of international affairs programs for broadcast on public radio and television, and for use in the classroom.

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« Reply #80 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 1:54pm »

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I'll read up on that and get back to you.

Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #81 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 1:59pm »

I note that such a scenario as proposed would be consistent with the need in the face of real predictable cultural clashes..for a stronger security state apparatus..just what our merchants of chaos would want..
endless conflict..the same folx writing the foreign policies
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« Reply #82 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 2:24pm »

A larger security force would be needed due to the increased workload.
But this does not necessarily mean that you are heading into a totalitarian police state. It simply means that you have enough security people at the various levels to do the job properly.

An example may help.

In the area where I live we have no community police. On occasion the place is patrolled by special constables.
The local police station that was located in the centre of town, handy for the troubles that used to erupt when the pubs closed, has been moved to a site in an industrial area a mile or so away. It is going to be closed completely and the force relocated to Bradford, ten miles away.

So when something happens, there is a good chance that there will be no police in the area.

The police to not respond to building alarm systems. And unless the situation is critical you are told that someone will be around in the next four hour.

As the police are not local, many do not know the area and cannot attend immediately.

Basically they are desperately underfunded and undermanned.

So, my vision of an greatly improved security force will have local police. These local cops will know all the bad guys and will be able to recognise strangers in the area. More localized control and more cars to patrol the area.

If you are acting suspiciously then your ID will be quickly scanned to ascertain your identity. If you are who the check says you are and you have a reason for doing whatever you were stopped for, then you go on you way.

If you check out but don't come up with a good reason you may still just go about your business (Not if you were carrying out an illegal act) but you will have been 'clocked'. And any problem discovered later will be sure to have you getting a call by the security.

Her majesties immigration police will be cruising the streets in unmarked cars.

It all boils down to 'if you are legal then you really have no worries'. If not, get legal or get out.

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« Reply #83 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 2:38pm »

Sys and HAL,

What further complicates the issues, IMO, is that you're both right, at least to some extents. What's more, I'd wager those complications are by design.

Lawlessness won't work. Neither will abolishing civil liberties.

But the PTB indeed manipulate and exploit every opportunity to suggest they are protecting their populations by restricting their freedoms; it's simply what they do. Intel agencies, by definition, seize opportunities to prey on tides of public emotion.

In his excellent piece, 'Why Google Made the NSA', investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed cited a senior US intel official as a source explaining a formerly secret brief on propaganda circulated among Pentagon VIPs. "Information war," as the brief reportedly called it, was aimed at a variety of targets, including civilian populations so they would feel their sacrifices were worth it.

That senior intel official just so happened to be ufology's favorite CIA consultant, Col. John Alexander:

https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1

"Based on O’Neill’s principles of information warfare as articulated in his 1989 US Navy brief, the targets of information war are not just populations in The Gap, but domestic populations in The Core, and their governments: including the US government. That secret brief, which according to former senior US intelligence official John Alexander was read by the Pentagon’s top leadership, argued that information war must be targeted at: adversaries to convince them of their vulnerability; potential partners around the world so they accept 'the cause as just'; and finally, civilian populations and the political leadership so they believe that 'the cost' in blood and treasure is worth it."
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« Reply #84 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 2:50pm »

Sys, Swamp,

... It is high time we start attacking the REAL issue, which is finding out why our society is so full of evil violence...

Thus wrote Swamp a while back.

Sys also remarked that the melting pot is disintegrating.

Let us look briefly at the latest atrocity in France.

I seems from some reports that the people who gunned down those in the concert hall were shouting something about France should not have got involved in Syria.

Yet the killers who have so far been identified are French citizens; operating from Belgium. So one should expect them to support their countries stance.

Here we have to be exact to level that those who push the melting pot , integration idea do not feel comfortable with.

But they are not true french. Their belief is with the Islamists. That is where their loyalty lies. And there are probably thousands of them out there; waiting.

Changing a persons nationality does not change his heart.

They are outsiders who were waiting for the chance to attack a soft western target. Sleepers.

If this does not illustrate the true scale of the problem, what will ?

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« Reply #85 on: Nov 15th, 2015, 3:02pm »

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Civil liberties are often a case of perception.

I have no wish for a persons liberties to be curtailed, at least not the ones I enjoy.

If you live in an area where there are a lot of burglaries, then there is a good chance that anyone walking the streets in the early hours will be, or have been, up to mischief.

It is, at least to me, quite reasonable for the police to ask me who I am and what I am doing wandering around when most are in bed. I would have no problem with that providing that, having explained my reason for being there, I was allowed to go about my business.

If I said to the police ' I am exercising my right of silence and I am not going to tell you'. Then I am being, in my eyes, unreasonable. And I would expect to be joining them for a cup of tea and a chat at teh police station.

What is wrong with that ?

Same goes for cruising around the back streets in a car. It is the kind of thing drug dealers do. So let's check out who is who.

The local police I advocate will very quickly ascertain the cars ownership (via Automatic Number Plate Recognition) and can form an opinion on it's reason for being there. If it looks dodgy, check it out.

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« Reply #86 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 03:22am »

on Oct 21st, 2015, 10:40pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Everybody is on oxygen till the aircraft gets below 12000 ft. What's your point?? Let the hijacker or drunkin' idiot keep attacking others?
Explosive decompression isn't fun but their aren't many times that Goldfinger gets dragged out the little hole!

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« Reply #87 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 03:55am »

Good points, Jj, Sys and HAL! I feel all of you make sense in different ways, maybe I'll add to this insane riddle of our respected Moslem fellow citizens, a few of whom turn out to be hidden militants intent on committining mayhem and murder as (in their firm belief) ordered by Allah and his holy Prophet Muhammed. (And the refugee crisis just increased the size of this problem exponentially.)

HAL, nice thing is I don't have to wear my "fascist hat" here (and I don't think for a moment there is anything truly fascist about your positions!): I'm of the belief I like Muslims to continue their freedom to worship in peace in the West, and have no problem with adding some beautiful mosques to our Dutch cities. Freedom of Religion (along with other rights) is WHO WE ARE.

The problem is that the bad guys are misusing religious freedoms to introduce and spread a version of Islamic faith that has Allah commanding them to engage in hidden ('taqiya'=dissimulated), political (promoting sharia) and violent jihad (including open warfare and terrorism). Let's focus on the hiding bit.

Identifying a violent jihadist at the moment they are emptying their AK-47s and detonating bombs in Paris is TOO LATE. So what accurately characterizes such a terrorist in the period prior to his/her evil acts?

I say: it's a Muslim who believes that Allah's commandments supersedes national law, including commandments to commit violence against sinners, unbelievers and those engaged in war against Muslims. Stands to reason they'll at some point in time will obey their God. This particular tenet of faith is in effect a call to violence, war and terror, and imho should be stripped of its protections under Freedom of Religion.


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« Reply #88 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 04:15am »

I can't begin to describe how much it drives me to distraction that huge numbers of people were allowed to enter Europe (including the UK) unchecked.

I agree this plays into the hands of those forces within our governments that wish for greater power to control their respective populations, now swollen with godknowswhat. (Those populations just got a whole lot more dangerous, so what else smiley: forget Ed Snowden/privacy rights, let's hook up ever-y-bo-dy to that Borg cube of a Utah NSA computer, KILL THAT TREE BEFORE IT KILLS YOU!.

I hope such totalitarian forces will be held in check by our parliaments and collective sanity. Resist the temptation to go for 100% security. Or else we'all will be waking up one morning in the secular version of IS.

Like I said, I think focus is needed on the bad guys, any potential terrorists before they strike. By placing one version of Islam, and its adherents (the kind honoring export of Allah's sharia law and divinely sanctioned jihad) outside of protected freedoms.

It will be a political nightmare to get it done though. France should lead the way in this. But in my mind we ought to ditch Shengen, reinstate border checks inside Europe. Send back (belatedly, these folks ought to have been vetted BEFORE entry!) any 'asylumseeker' who actually merits 'economical migrant' status. Elect leaders who will introduce (in Europe) an oath of allegiance, conditional to citizenship, verbatim rejecting violent jihad and sharia promotion, giving national law precedence. This would leave only 'moderate' (=law abiding / non-violent) Islam under the protection of Freedom of Religion, and its adherents forever welcomed into our societies.


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« Reply #89 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 08:07am »

Hi Purr, I already gave a good hint on who and logic of those hidden forces bent terraforming the demographic landscape. But things as far as this event, one of many getting worse and worse .

We all know by now France had sent an Aircraft carrier..before the incident to the area..and after the slaughter dropped 20 bombs with twenty planes on Raqqa
with intel provided by the US.
Here is where the grand gesture of payback was all for naught.

Again Deka Calls it like it was..just a piece go for full read.
http://debka.com/article/25024/Hollande-Obama-lack-the-troops-and-will-for-total-war-on-ISIS-Mid-East-rulers-are-even-more-reluctant

When French President Francois Hollande declared war on ISIS and called the attack in Paris an “act of war,” he gave the terrorist organization’s leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi an unexpected boost. He upgraded the Muslim caliphate to a fully-fledged state against which France is now at war. US President Barack Obama was more cautious, declaring at the G-20 summit in Antalya that his country and France would fight together against terror, without specifying how.

Obama has problems of his own. The attempt to portray the Kurdish conquest of the city of Sinjar in northern Iraq as an important achievement in the war against ISIS dissipated quickly after Peshmerga troops were shown on TV moving into a city that was empty and lying in ruins, after it was abandoned by Islamic State forces. There was no battle there either.

Also, the US and Kurdish claims that they had severed the main road link between the ISIS capitals in Iraq and Syria, Mosul and Raqqa, proved hollow as ISIS had stopped using that route months ago after it became vulnerable to American air strikes.

If that wasn’t enough, Obama ran into an obstacle in Antalya.

The summit’s host, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, who is consumed by an overriding aversion to an independent Kurdish state rising on his country’s border, demanded a declaration that all Kurdish forces, including the Peshmerga, the PKK and the YPG, on which the US depends heavily for fighting the war against ISIS, be classified as terrorists and targeted by the West just like ISIS.
Therefore, before broaching any decisions about intensifying the war on the Islamist terrorists, Western and Muslim countries were already at odds on targets.


I have maintained for at least 2 years now Ergodan has always been our multi faced problem as well as a genocidal maniac.
But forget him..
what were the French doing pounding more sand, empty buildings, and vacant training camps.

There is no collective will by the heads of states to kill Isis because there never was a plan to kill Isis..only to carve up Syria and prevent a Shia crescent.




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